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Title: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 10, 2019, 15:54

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Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 10, 2019, 16:19
Woah, I thought he was with Masion Mere still. How can Werra allow his mpangi to be in such condition?!
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 10, 2019, 16:24
Woah, I thought he was with Masion Mere still. How can Werra allow his mpangi to be in such condition?!
Lol I’d be careful if I were you.. you’ll start getting Maison Mere fans on your neck saying “it’s not Werra’s fault or responsibility and bla bla”
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Manzambi94 on September 10, 2019, 16:30
Woah, I thought he was with Masion Mere still. How can Werra allow his mpangi to be in such condition?!
When I describe how Werra really is most of the guys in the forum say that I am bitter (even though I am a huge fanatique of MM)
Werra it is like this it doesn't matter who you are and how much you have helped him build his brand at the firdt opportunity to kick you out he will kick you and good luck asking him anything again.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 10, 2019, 16:35
@Manzambi94

You spoke nothing but truths brother! This should send a strong message to Kakol, because his wake up call is due soon lol
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: congo-243 on September 10, 2019, 17:53
Woah, I thought he was with Masion Mere still. How can Werra allow his mpangi to be in such condition?!
When I describe how Werra really is most of the guys in the forum say that I am bitter (even though I am a huge fanatique of MM)
Werra it is like this it doesn't matter who you are and how much you have helped him build his brand at the firdt opportunity to kick you out he will kick you and good luck asking him anything again.
As a big fan of WMM you're absolutely right on dat part
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: shamala on September 10, 2019, 19:33

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Eeeiiish this is sad
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Nkosi on September 10, 2019, 19:33
Clarification:

1. Ali Mbonda left WMM a long time ago. Its been years now.

2. What exact help does he need? What is he sick of? Hasn't he been to the hospital? This picture says nothing. He could have gone to the hospital and is recovering. He could also have received help.

3. On help, he has his former bosses Werrason and JB....He further has his former band mates now turned into brothers.. Ferre, Bill, Heritier, Fabregas, Mulopwe...all these guys are doing very fine. Shouldn't they help a brother? What about JB? Why pick on Werra alone and glorify his brothers for watching Ali go unhelped? Just because Werra was his longest serving boss? Does that exclude others?

4. I might have issues with Werra but he can't be blamed all the time.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Manzambi94 on September 10, 2019, 20:41
Clarification:

1. Ali Mbonda left WMM a long time ago. Its been years now.

2. What exact help does he need? What is he sick of? Hasn't he been to the hospital? This picture says nothing. He could have gone to the hospital and is recovering. He could also have received help.

3. On help, he has his former bosses Werrason and JB....He further has his former band mates now turned into brothers.. Ferre, Bill, Heritier, Fabregas, Mulopwe...all these guys are doing very fine. Shouldn't they help a brother? What about JB? Why pick on Werra alone and glorify his brothers for watching Ali go unhelped? Just because Werra was his longest serving boss? Does that exclude others?

4. I might have issues with Werra but he can't be blamed all the time.
Is this type of mentality that give Werraosnique a bad name.
Let me clarify.
Ali Mbonda has been there since the beginning way before Wenge MMM was created, he helped Werra build his brand along with Kakol, Ferre, Bill, Celeo and Kapaya mainly.
Ali left Wenge once to go to JB but then came back and he didn't leave Wenge but was forced out. How would you feel if a girl who could be your daughter screamed at you in front of all the work office? I would slap the girl or resign from work. This is what happened to Ali Mbonda and the girl who humiliate Ali Mbknda had received direct order from the high floors.
The reason why Ali Mbonda got kicked out in the usual Macchiavellian way? Because he went to visit Heritier, the guy werra until 2016 were considering his third son after Exaucee and Gladys (Well fourth if you consider Brian).
This is why a 40 plus year guy wbi was there from the beginning with Werra is sick. If yiu have the chance to go in Congo Kinshasa try to go to Ali Mbonda and ask him how much Werra paid him if he paid him.
Werra's beheaviour and leaders beheaviour in general is what is killing Congo and Bantu Africa. Treating people like objectsand throw them away when you don't need them
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 10, 2019, 20:45
little clarification too bro ,he has been suspended but it never has been officially removed or ended,but indeed he was pretty much outside
hopefully like you said any of the clan wenge guys will do something for him
manzambi you would not last a lot if you were in kin in the congolese music lol your mentality is so different,over there every leader is perfect and untouchable even the one who are barely cementing their position among the stars
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: SYMPLICITY on September 11, 2019, 08:52
I heard he left Maison Mere and joined Heritier? Am a fan of both Heritier and Werrason equally so am not defending Werra and bashing Heritier. Now if he is sick, has he requested for help? Is it possible that he is already receiving help? Is there a possibility that Werrason, JB, Heritier, Ferre and other clan Wenge have already given him some help? Kindly someone answer these questions without bringing which side I am on. But if anyone needs to know which side am on, am on the side of REASON
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Congolitude on September 11, 2019, 09:24
I heard he left Maison Mere and joined Heritier? Am a fan of both Heritier and Werrason equally so am not defending Werra and bashing Heritier. Now if he is sick, has he requested for help? Is it possible that he is already receiving help? Is there a possibility that Werrason, JB, Heritier, Ferre and other clan Wenge have already given him some help? Kindly someone answer these questions without bringing which side I am on. But if anyone needs to know which side am on, am on the side of REASON

I think it was a rumor because some months ago he came at Heritier's place of rehearshal
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: SYMPLICITY on September 11, 2019, 09:30
I heard he left Maison Mere and joined Heritier? Am a fan of both Heritier and Werrason equally so am not defending Werra and bashing Heritier. Now if he is sick, has he requested for help? Is it possible that he is already receiving help? Is there a possibility that Werrason, JB, Heritier, Ferre and other clan Wenge have already given him some help? Kindly someone answer these questions without bringing which side I am on. But if anyone needs to know which side am on, am on the side of REASON

I think it was a rumor because some months ago he came at Heritier's place of rehearshal

IF he is still a member of Maison Mere even if on suspension and IF he has requested for help and IF he has not received that help, then Werra needs to lead efforts to come to his rescue followed by other clan Wenge, then friends , family and finally wellwishers
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Nkosi on September 11, 2019, 10:24
Simplicity I totally agree with you, we are basically diving into conclusions based on a picture which says absolutely nothing. Do they even know the guy is sick? Has he requested for help? Hasn't he received any help? What is he sick of? So many unanswered questions which makes it so hard to understand why we would be quick on picking whom to blame.

In terms of belonging, this guy is practically out of WMM. In these bands, they don't always write official communication. He has spent more time with Heritier than anyone else the past months. That is not to say only Heritier can help. The truth is these guys have connections with a lot of other big musicians who can help. If he has been neglected, surely all those he has worked closely with should share the blame. I don't get it when we rush to blame certain individuals without all these details and looking at the bigger picture. When it comes to pay, we only hear about how Werrason doesn't pay but no one is able to explain mass exodus from other bands with musicians claiming they dont get paid.

My conclusion is that to a certain level we are still caught up in the polemique years. The past months Werra spent months touring Congo, recently he went to Angola, Kenya, Tanzania, Equatorial Guinea and now Oman and had high level lucrative  concerts but soon we shall hear stories of how Werra only practices at La Zamba and never performs anywhere???
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Ken Bilele on September 11, 2019, 10:47
I heard he left Maison Mere and joined Heritier? Am a fan of both Heritier and Werrason equally so am not defending Werra and bashing Heritier. Now if he is sick, has he requested for help? Is it possible that he is already receiving help? Is there a possibility that Werrason, JB, Heritier, Ferre and other clan Wenge have already given him some help? Kindly someone answer these questions without bringing which side I am on. But if anyone needs to know which side am on, am on the side of REASON

I think it was a rumor because some months ago he came at Heritier's place of rehearshal

IF he is still a member of Maison Mere even if on suspension and IF he has requested for help and IF he has not received that help, then Werra needs to lead efforts to come to his rescue followed by other clan Wenge, then friends , family and finally wellwishers


But Owadwa, how do you call in well wishers when this guy has been an employee to one of the top leading bands in Africa? His leader is enjoying dinner with the sultans of Oman. The difference between Werra and other leaders is that Werra is Heartless. Whereas Koffi is evil he has a permanent soft heart when it comes some of the former major contributors to QL, JB we all know is a gentleman anytime and Wazekwa, a family man. If we were to write history of WMM where will Ali Mbona feature? a guess among top 5. It's not always about money but compassion from Werra at this time is paramount.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: SYMPLICITY on September 11, 2019, 11:20
Simplicity I totally agree with you, we are basically diving into conclusions based on a picture which says absolutely nothing. Do they even know the guy is sick? Has he requested for help? Hasn't he received any help? What is he sick of? So many unanswered questions which makes it so hard to understand why we would be quick on picking whom to blame.

In terms of belonging, this guy is practically out of WMM. In these bands, they don't always write official communication. He has spent more time with Heritier than anyone else the past months. That is not to say only Heritier can help. The truth is these guys have connections with a lot of other big musicians who can help. If he has been neglected, surely all those he has worked closely with should share the blame. I don't get it when we rush to blame certain individuals without all these details and looking at the bigger picture. When it comes to pay, we only hear about how Werrason doesn't pay but no one is able to explain mass exodus from other bands with musicians claiming they dont get paid.

My conclusion is that to a certain level we are still caught up in the polemique years. The past months Werra spent months touring Congo, recently he went to Angola, Kenya, Tanzania, Equatorial Guinea and now Oman and had high level lucrative  concerts but soon we shall hear stories of how Werra only practices at La Zamba and never performs anywhere???

@Nkosi, it is a running theme on this blog. Werrason may not be an angel but he kind of gets very unflattering reception here. And I will give you examples.
1. Every day you hear people come here and say La Zamba is dead and mostly empty but when a rehearsal that is filled to the rafters is posted here, they all go quiet. Mind you this is just a rehearsal but gets more fans than actual concerts of some of the artists that are praised here.
2.Werrason is accused of being stingy and a bad boss forcing musicians to abandon him. Yes, he may be stingy though nobody has ever brought evidence to support this claim only basing it on what these departing musicians say. I thought principles of fairness dictate that we hear both sides of the story. When a musician leaves Werrason, Werrason is bad and that musician is good and we believe everything bad they say about Werra. But when another musician leaves another group(Ferre for example) to join Werrason instead of now applying the same standard and blaming Ferre for being bad for mistreating that artiste and forcing them to join Werrason, it is the same Werrason we blame for poaching that musician because of polemic. Again when a musician is with Werrason they are labelled Faux Chanteur but when they leave they are stars and people are always calling for them to drop an album. Example is Eboa Lotin and Cappucino.
3. Most of us always claim they want a return to sebene and generique because rhumba is taking over and destroying congolese music. Werrason i think is one of the musicians who must always have about four or more generiques and sebene with every release and instead of being thankful we always criticize how they are flops

Finally, am not a Werrasonique so I request my fellow esteemed bloggers not to throw mud at me for defending Werrason because I am his fan-atic. In Congolese music I equally love works by Doudou Copa, Koffi, Heritier, Ferre, Werrason(Level 1), Fally, JB, Wazekwa,Adolph, Fabro(Level 2) and even appreciate works by the underrated but talented artists like Fila Bassele, Lassa Lacolyte, Papy Bastin, Kabosse, Aimelia, the Mpela brothers. Others like Robinho, Blaise Bula, Djino, Bill, Celeo will be in my footnotes

What makes it even more surprising is that the artists we criticise here most i.e Werra, Koffi and Ferre are the most consistent in churning out releases plus Fally of course.

A kind request is that can anyone reply to my post above not by labelling me as a blind follower of Werrason which I know some are going to call me anyway even after reading my explanation for this post(Because it is easier to go personal than think critically). Kindly reply by deconstructing each of my points above by showing the fallacies in them. That, being the scholar I am I will enjoy and appreciate.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: SYMPLICITY on September 11, 2019, 11:23
I heard he left Maison Mere and joined Heritier? Am a fan of both Heritier and Werrason equally so am not defending Werra and bashing Heritier. Now if he is sick, has he requested for help? Is it possible that he is already receiving help? Is there a possibility that Werrason, JB, Heritier, Ferre and other clan Wenge have already given him some help? Kindly someone answer these questions without bringing which side I am on. But if anyone needs to know which side am on, am on the side of REASON

I think it was a rumor because some months ago he came at Heritier's place of rehearshal

IF he is still a member of Maison Mere even if on suspension and IF he has requested for help and IF he has not received that help, then Werra needs to lead efforts to come to his rescue followed by other clan Wenge, then friends , family and finally wellwishers


But Owadwa, how do you call in well wishers when this guy has been an employee to one of the top leading bands in Africa? His leader is enjoying dinner with the sultans of Oman. The difference between Werra and other leaders is that Werra is Heartless. Whereas Koffi is evil he has a permanent soft heart when it comes some of the former major contributors to QL, JB we all know is a gentleman anytime and Wazekwa, a family man. If we were to write history of WMM where will Ali Mbona feature? a guess among top 5. It's not always about money but compassion from Werra at this time is paramount.

Jakom, very wise words on compassion and being human. My only concern was on due diligence. Is there evidence that Werrason has not given him any help?
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 11:25
i think ali will soon get help jb and werra are abroad,heritier aswell  only remain ferre blaise bula and bill who can give him proper help in kin or even koffi who he used to sell mbonda partitions to for passe kosse or new mbondas for the group
unless jb and werra send guys to go see him
i doubt they would be uninterested,its true that the repeated gossip have destroyed big time the relationship between ali and werra but  i am certain deep down werra remembers who was the first member of 4X4 who sided with him openly is not masela let alone tata but ali who stood by werra when werra was super hurt with feeling that the ego war had lowered his influence in the group
 all i hope is that it wont become an artist en danger case,it would be humiliating for clan wenge
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 11:34
https://youtu.be/X1sD4hbE8es

musikasika urges clan wenge guys and musicians in general not to let him down,not wait for the worst to happen before they react
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: ZamundaPrince on September 11, 2019, 11:40
Koffi who wouldn't even let Babia sing his songs even after Babia having to kneel and beg? What compassion is that?
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: ZamundaPrince on September 11, 2019, 11:44
There's absolutely no proof that Werra is aware of Ali's condition & if he is, he hasn't offered any help. All I have seen is a picture of Ali not looking well & followed by an all too familiar Werra bashing.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Ken Bilele on September 11, 2019, 14:29
Koffi who wouldn't even let Babia sing his songs even after Babia having to kneel and beg? What compassion is that?


Don't get emotional Mudala. Copyrighting is a totally different thing, you forgot that he left and was allowed back to QL at a time he needed a new life away from drugs. What we are talking about here is LIFE, Life of one of the most loyal and long serving employee of an orchestra.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: ZamundaPrince on September 11, 2019, 15:00

Don't get emotional Mudala. Copyrighting is a totally different thing, you forgot that he left and was allowed back to QL at a time he needed a new life away from drugs. What we are talking about here is LIFE, Life of one of the most loyal and long serving employee of an orchestra.

No emotions whatsoever. If he had any compassion in him as you claim, he'd have allowed Babia to do the concert to earn a living.

Taking back former musicians is not the only way to support a former employee in need
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 15:20
apparently the musicians of wenge 4X4 have started to discuss what they can do in the whatsapp group which has wenge 4X4 members
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: PCGY KASTELLO on September 11, 2019, 15:25
Are you sure this is Ali Mbonda?
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: shamala on September 11, 2019, 15:50
Just a few queries  on the same..
1. Do the musicians invest otherwise? I know someone like Ficcare has something on the side
2. How sustainable is it for a leader to support past and present musicians ? Why are they required to even support past musicians funeral?
3. Do they have retirement plans?
4. In post fame area female dancers seem to do better,why?


Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 16:13
Just a few queries  on the same..
1. Do the musicians invest otherwise? I know someone like Ficcare has something on the side
2. How sustainable is it for a leader to support past and present musicians ? Why are they required to even support past musicians funeral?
3. Do they have retirement plans?
4. In post fame area female dancers seem to do better,why?

 1 yes some do,like ficarre who has several business on the side but most musicians prefer the show off lifestyle until they fall
2 technically this happens only because band members receive zero copyright,so except the odd salary here and there plus the song selling which anyways ends quite fast with family queuing up at your house when they heard you received 10K for a song and the combination of show off and trying to build a house
3 retirement plans do not really exist only exists the option of running away in europe and now doing music just for fun
4  as for female dancers its obvious,dancers who have slept with their leaders and who were the leaders favorites receive support until today even if some left 15 years ago,and most manage to find a husband who is not in the process of having a stable life which is why they dont look like struggleing as much as men
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: shamala on September 11, 2019, 16:14

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Any translation here please
https://youtu.be/Vz7Fov-4sBI
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Cavalier Solitaire on September 11, 2019, 17:05
some Maison Mere fans are crazy. So because at some point Ali Mbonda may have praised JB then it means he cant get help from Werrason.
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Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 17:12
some Maison Mere fans are crazy. So because at some point Ali Mbonda may have praised JB then it means he cant get help from Werrason.
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strangely enough,i found fans of the days of fights between fans and between musicians much much much much much more mature than the fans of the social media era
and you'll see some super dumb logic pulled by someone and it goes 1,5k likes quick
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Cavalier Solitaire on September 11, 2019, 17:27
some Maison Mere fans are crazy. So because at some point Ali Mbonda may have praised JB then it means he cant get help from Werrason.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3Nd7tTFx/Screenshot-2.png) (https://postimages.org/)

strangely enough,i found fans of the days of fights between fans and between musicians much much much much much more mature than the fans of the social media era
and you'll see some super dumb logic pulled by someone and it goes 1,5k likes quick
We have lost our humanity in this social media era.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: BR on September 11, 2019, 20:48
Was it here I heard Mbonda was in transport business?
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: archos on September 11, 2019, 21:01
Was it here I heard Mbonda was in transport business?

He used to but his business collapsed as he tried and was conned several times,to send his kids to europe to join those who are there already
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Ken Bilele on September 12, 2019, 13:42
Just a few queries  on the same..
1. Do the musicians invest otherwise? I know someone like Ficcare has something on the side
2. How sustainable is it for a leader to support past and present musicians ? Why are they required to even support past musicians funeral?
3. Do they have retirement plans?
4. In post fame area female dancers seem to do better,why?

 1 yes some do,like ficarre who has several business on the side but most musicians prefer the show off lifestyle until they fall
2 technically this happens only because band members receive zero copyright,so except the odd salary here and there plus the song selling which anyways ends quite fast with family queuing up at your house when they heard you received 10K for a song and the combination of show off and trying to build a house
3 retirement plans do not really exist only exists the option of running away in europe and now doing music just for fun
4  as for female dancers its obvious,dancers who have slept with their leaders and who were the leaders favorites receive support until today even if some left 15 years ago,and most manage to find a husband who is not in the process of having a stable life which is why they dont look like struggleing as much as men


I would want to know what Ali Mbonda wasted his money on if he actually had a salary, coz this man knows no life, He doesn't dress past 10$ and seems not to like women. I don't know but can someone smoke his fortune away? please advice.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 14:15
Ali Mbonda wasn't paid for 9 months or something like that. Don't forget that life in Kinshasa is very expensive. Its one of the most expensive cities of Africa. If are famous in Kinshasa you will get everybody (family, friends, shegues,etc.) at your house asking for money. Another thing is that famous musicians like to live on a high standard. So its very easy to get broke if you don't try to do matolo (asking for money to donors).
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Mirobexx on September 12, 2019, 15:10
I think we need to be careful what we say. Ali Mbonda was there for a long time no ways you spend over 20years with someone without regular pay. One thing i can say does Werra and the rest know his condition. Some things should be done in private.
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Cavalier Solitaire on September 13, 2019, 08:33
I heard him talk about going to see Vieux Verckys so that would organise for him to be getting royalty money from SACEM or sth of that sort for the songs that were credited to him in Maison Mere. Do Congolese musicians (not leaders) regularly get that royalty monies if so is it significant enough for someone to survive on it?
Title: Re: Ali Mbonda is very sick and needs help
Post by: Manzambi94 on September 13, 2019, 09:28
I heard him talk about going to see Vieux Verckys so that would organise for him to be getting royalty money from SACEM or sth of that sort for the songs that were credited to him in Maison Mere. Do Congolese musicians (not leaders) regularly get that royalty monies if so is it significant enough for someone to survive on it?
Lol no. The Song credited to musicians are a fraud what gives money to the musicians (not leaders) are the many donors and fans who knows that the song is of such and such for example Lobeso got mad gifts and money for his song Kata Fumbwa wich according ti credits in the CD is a song by Lobeso and Bercy, but (those name also aren't their real names so how you gonna collect money where the song is made by a guy that legally doesn't exists? In fact you will nveer see a leader credit his song as Werra, Mopao, De La Patria etc.) if you go to SACEM (Congolese royalties collected by Congolese offices aren't a serious thing) 100% the song will be credited to the leader so the leader will get the royalties and the A/C will only get those high increase in money the first time that the sing gets released. Furthermore as Archos said Ali Mbonda is even in a good position respect to other Mbonda players some people never ever seen money.