Author Topic: Archive; Werra's at La Zamba Playa after Les Marquis-split (2004)  (Read 604 times)

Mfumu Vata on: May 29, 2023, 00:23

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Franco Pepe Kalle #1 on: May 29, 2023, 07:16

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Despite the hype that the musicians, you can tell that Werra felt humiliated after the departure of the likes of Bill Clinton, Ferre Gola, JDT and others.

Mfumu Vata #2 on: May 29, 2023, 11:59

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I wonder how it would be if Les Marquis was created in Kinshasa instead of Europe. Baby Ndombé said that there were alot of influent donors ready to support them and Claude Maluma being ready to let them sign with Bralima/Primus.

During splits when they occur in Kinshasa we see always them choosing one side like we saw with Viva la Musica and Victoria Eleison. Which made me wonder if the same thing would happen with Werrason and if he would not affect his succes ? For example, would a big part of the fanatics follow Les Marquis like the way many fanatics decided to switch to Heritier when he left ? Because in 2004 you had only Maison Mère in Kinshasa, those who were neutral and/or fans of Bill & Ferre just kept coming to concerts and rehearshals. Altough fans complaining in public concerts about Bill Clinton & Ferre's absence but it didn't had any effect on Werra's succes. On the end the fanatics ended up by remaining in Maison Mère because the hype of the split was already with the succes of Alerte Generale which made it more difficult to steal fanatics. When both Ferre & Bill finally arrived in Kinshasa they both split. Ferre after some weeks going back to Europe and later joining Quartier Latin. Bill just relying on JB fanatics and a small piece of WMM fans. Werrason when coming back from his long Europe tour still having his "Majorité Plurielle" fans intact.

Many  said that "songi-songi ya poto" played a huge role in Les Marquis split. Bill & Ferre not being happy with Jus d'Ete Mulopwe them planning a 12 against in Kinshasa. By having a plan to recruit already musicians in Ngiri-Ngiri without Jus d'Ete Mulopwe knowing, but because of both guys not wanting one of them being the head of each other, them also bts planning 12 against each other. Ferre sending his guys to recruit musicians in Ngiri-Ngiri and Bill also having his own guys recruiting the musicians. On the same moment Ferre & Bill not showing up at the concert that was meant to present Miracles at LSC and them going to Kinshasa the following week. According president PEK it was because the majority of musicians choose Jus d'Ete Mulopwe as president through Jacquie Watunda and them not wanting to wear uniforms like being Jus d'Ete's musicians. Ferre missed his flight to Kinshasa and arriving a few days later than Bill. Trying to meet Bill about planning how to do the first concerts and making clear that the rehearsals had to be on his place but Bill refusing, having his own sponsor and thinking that Les Marquis existed because of him.

Wenge1995 #3 on: May 29, 2023, 16:17

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I wonder how it would be if Les Marquis was created in Kinshasa instead of Europe. Baby Ndombé said that there were alot of influent donors ready to support them and Claude Maluma being ready to let them sign with Bralima/Primus.

During splits when they occur in Kinshasa we see always them choosing one side like we saw with Viva la Musica and Victoria Eleison. Which made me wonder if the same thing would happen with Werrason and if he would not affect his succes ? For example, would a big part of the fanatics follow Les Marquis like the way many fanatics decided to switch to Heritier when he left ? Because in 2004 you had only Maison Mère in Kinshasa, those who were neutral and/or fans of Bill & Ferre just kept coming to concerts and rehearshals. Altough fans complaining in public concerts about Bill Clinton & Ferre's absence but it didn't had any effect on Werra's succes. On the end the fanatics ended up by remaining in Maison Mère because the hype of the split was already with the succes of Alerte Generale which made it more difficult to steal fanatics. When both Ferre & Bill finally arrived in Kinshasa they both split. Ferre after some weeks going back to Europe and later joining Quartier Latin. Bill just relying on JB fanatics and a small piece of WMM fans. Werrason when coming back from his long Europe tour still having his "Majorité Plurielle" fans intact.

Many  said that "songi-songi ya poto" played a huge role in Les Marquis split. Bill & Ferre not being happy with Jus d'Ete Mulopwe them planning a 12 against in Kinshasa. By having a plan to recruit already musicians in Ngiri-Ngiri without Jus d'Ete Mulopwe knowing, but because of both guys not wanting one of them being the head of each other, them also bts planning 12 against each other. Ferre sending his guys to recruit musicians in Ngiri-Ngiri and Bill also having his own guys recruiting the musicians. On the same moment Ferre & Bill not showing up at the concert that was meant to present Miracles at LSC and them going to Kinshasa the following week. According president PEK it was because the majority of musicians choose Jus d'Ete Mulopwe as president through Jacquie Watunda and them not wanting to wear uniforms like being Jus d'Ete's musicians. Ferre missed his flight to Kinshasa and arriving a few days later than Bill. Trying to meet Bill about planning how to do the first concerts and making clear that the rehearsals had to be on his place but Bill refusing, having his own sponsor and thinking that Les Marquis existed because of him.


If they formed Les Marquis in Kinshasa, wouldn't it have been easier for Werrason to block their success? I know band leaders do behind the scenes stuff to keep producers from promoting albums of rivals. But maybe you're right, those donors could have really boosted their success and 7eme Lecon could have done quicker impact

Mfumu Vata #4 on: May 29, 2023, 19:43

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Probably because Kinshasa is Werra-city. But at the same time I think that their contract with Bralima would function as a umbrella. Also the support from influent donors and bandleaders who were anti-werra. 3th generation artists (except Koffi) didn't had alot of influence anymore (Papa Wemba coming out from jail, Emeneya having a dip, etc.). But I think that Koffi would support them a little bit like he did to Alain Mpela behind the scene for a short time when Generation A started. Koffi Olomidé was immediatly accused for being behind Les Marquis-creation and Werra's clan claiming that he paid the guys money to leave while he had nothing to do with it,  the problems of les marquis and werason being something that has his origins in 2000. It was especially from the moment that Koffi did a short interview with journalist Marius Muhunga through the phone that they accused him. The sentence   "by werra losing his musicians, we will see what he will do now" made WMM-fanatics and even Werrason himself furious.

Being based in Kinshasa and find a label would have been a challenge. 2004 was the year that many bands, even big bandleaders like Koffi struggled to find a recordlabel. Some artists from then starting auto-production or co-production. Ferre himself explained in an interview that it was really hard for les Marquis to find a label and the few who were there all refused to produce them. Even late Simon Ndjonang first refusing but after a moment calling them back and making them later sign that famous 10-years slave-contract.

The thing that killed Dream Team of Guy Moller and Nouvelle Ecriture de l'an 2000 was that they hadn't enough support. Dream Team depended on Mambo de Panama and the public itself saw them as traitors for the way they left Emeneya just before Zentih. Next to that they suffered from serious attack from donors and bandleaders, etc. coming from Bandundu who all backed Emeneya. They were lucky that they were able to release their first EP because Guy Moller made a copy after finding out that their original producers was in reality a guy who was sent to kill their project by making their harddisk dissapear. The following project "Systeme ya ba Chinois" got not released because the same reasons and all guys returning back to Victoria one by one (except Sampaio who joined Nouvelle Ecriture way before and Guy Moller who stayed a solo).

Bendoson, Ramazani, Christian na Nzenze & Pompom Miyake failed with their project after a good start because  there wasn't any support and them not having a sponsor. late Bob Masua who had to produce them being Wemba's brother in law and being attacked by Wemba-fanatics and donors in Europe which made him stop to fund the recordings. Bendo and his friends having to look for another producers but nobody wanting to produce them out of fear and Bendo's interviews against Viva only making it worser.  After a few months they were broke, the guys already thinking (except Bendoson) thinking about a return to Papa Wemba until getting approached by Koffi Olomidé to join Quartier Latin (Pompom Miyake being the only one to refuse the offer).