i believe the  change arrived around 2003 2004 2005 with the rise of karmapa with a first album full of rumbas,the criticism from older artists that the wenge's music is a lot of noise and that koffi is following them, so koffi came with monde arabe dominated by rumba,wenge starting to edge first towards a balance but then its from that moment that donors started to insist that they want rumbas and artists took advantage from that to ask a lot for songs from 2005 to now the price of some songs has multiplied by 3,if they were not self producing and funding a lot of sessions in kinshasa due to the energy issues,some artist could easily make a million per album if the studio lockouts and all that did not cost much and the fact is that when you come with sebene songs some donors want to pay the price of 10 20 years ago,10k while today some songs are around 30 35 40 for normal comfortable people(owner of companies and co) and 50 plus for the politicians and their families and obviously artists consider that 10k for their level of 20 30 40 years of professional career always in the mix among the best is insulting  so they'd rather produce the most average rumba aswell and chew 30k than a sebene song which will be followed with a lot of arguments
my friend genta for example was not far to start releasing rumbas as he noticed that his customers were taking years at times to finish the money of a song while rumba guys some come with the cash(especially those in suspect business) its kibens who convinced him to stick to sebene songs because he was an atalaku and it made no sense for an atalaku to release a rumba unless he sings it which he was obviously not going to do
both the greed of musicians and the more difficult customers are responsible,there is a mentality that being given a sebene song does not give you the right prestige compared to even the most  average rumba which is seen as a consecration for some to enter the world of song customers
in some groups donors even literally pick the song themselves and who will sing

Quote from: archos on February 14, 2023, 23:08

i believe the  change arrived around 2003 2004 2005 with the rise of karmapa with a first album full of rumbas,the criticism from older artists that the wenge's music is a lot of noise and that koffi is following them, so koffi came with monde arabe dominated by rumba,wenge starting to edge first towards a balance but then its from that moment that donors started to insist that they want rumbas and artists took advantage from that to ask a lot for songs from 2005 to now the price of some songs has multiplied by 3,if they were not self producing and funding a lot of sessions in kinshasa due to the energy issues,some artist could easily make a million per album if the studio lockouts and all that did not cost much and the fact is that when you come with sebene songs some donors want to pay the price of 10 20 years ago,10k while today some songs are around 30 35 40 for normal comfortable people(owner of companies and co) and 50 plus for the politicians and their families and obviously artists consider that 10k for their level of 20 30 40 years of professional career always in the mix among the best is insulting  so they'd rather produce the most average rumba aswell and chew 30k than a sebene song which will be followed with a lot of arguments
my friend genta for example was not far to start releasing rumbas as he noticed that his customers were taking years at times to finish the money of a song while rumba guys some come with the cash(especially those in suspect business) its kibens who convinced him to stick to sebene songs because he was an atalaku and it made no sense for an atalaku to release a rumba unless he sings it which he was obviously not going to do
both the greed of musicians and the more difficult customers are responsible,there is a mentality that being given a sebene song does not give you the right prestige compared to even the most  average rumba which is seen as a consecration for some to enter the world of song customers
in some groups donors even literally pick the song themselves and who will sing

Is Karmapa respected musician? I don't know much about him

i believe the  change arrived around 2003 2004 2005 with the rise of karmapa with a first album full of rumbas,the criticism from older artists that the wenge's music is a lot of noise and that koffi is following them, so koffi came with monde arabe dominated by rumba,wenge starting to edge first towards a balance but then its from that moment that donors started to insist that they want rumbas and artists took advantage from that to ask a lot for songs from 2005 to now the price of some songs has multiplied by 3,if they were not self producing and funding a lot of sessions in kinshasa due to the energy issues,some artist could easily make a million per album if the studio lockouts and all that did not cost much and the fact is that when you come with sebene songs some donors want to pay the price of 10 20 years ago,10k while today some songs are around 30 35 40 for normal comfortable people(owner of companies and co) and 50 plus for the politicians and their families and obviously artists consider that 10k for their level of 20 30 40 years of professional career always in the mix among the best is insulting  so they'd rather produce the most average rumba aswell and chew 30k than a sebene song which will be followed with a lot of arguments
my friend genta for example was not far to start releasing rumbas as he noticed that his customers were taking years at times to finish the money of a song while rumba guys some come with the cash(especially those in suspect business) its kibens who convinced him to stick to sebene songs because he was an atalaku and it made no sense for an atalaku to release a rumba unless he sings it which he was obviously not going to do
both the greed of musicians and the more difficult customers are responsible,there is a mentality that being given a sebene song does not give you the right prestige compared to even the most  average rumba which is seen as a consecration for some to enter the world of song customers
in some groups donors even literally pick the song themselves and who will sing

Quote from: archos on February 14, 2023, 23:08

i believe the  change arrived around 2003 2004 2005 with the rise of karmapa with a first album full of rumbas,the criticism from older artists that the wenge's music is a lot of noise and that koffi is following them, so koffi came with monde arabe dominated by rumba,wenge starting to edge first towards a balance but then its from that moment that donors started to insist that they want rumbas and artists took advantage from that to ask a lot for songs from 2005 to now the price of some songs has multiplied by 3,if they were not self producing and funding a lot of sessions in kinshasa due to the energy issues,some artist could easily make a million per album if the studio lockouts and all that did not cost much and the fact is that when you come with sebene songs some donors want to pay the price of 10 20 years ago,10k while today some songs are around 30 35 40 for normal comfortable people(owner of companies and co) and 50 plus for the politicians and their families and obviously artists consider that 10k for their level of 20 30 40 years of professional career always in the mix among the best is insulting  so they'd rather produce the most average rumba aswell and chew 30k than a sebene song which will be followed with a lot of arguments
my friend genta for example was not far to start releasing rumbas as he noticed that his customers were taking years at times to finish the money of a song while rumba guys some come with the cash(especially those in suspect business) its kibens who convinced him to stick to sebene songs because he was an atalaku and it made no sense for an atalaku to release a rumba unless he sings it which he was obviously not going to do
both the greed of musicians and the more difficult customers are responsible,there is a mentality that being given a sebene song does not give you the right prestige compared to even the most  average rumba which is seen as a consecration for some to enter the world of song customers
in some groups donors even literally pick the song themselves and who will sing

wow thanks for the break down with that. I don't think this will change anytime soon. If only this system was in favor of seben songs instead of rhumba songs, I would have no complaints. But now that I know the truth I can give up expecting anything from these artists nowadays.

I love rhumba 100 times over sebene so thank you JB Mpiana for your genius thinking. As consolation, why can’t sebene lovers in here become donors and insist that their songs be sebenes and generiques? Short of that the whining will never stop and the artists ain’t gonna give a hoot.