Author Topic: BILL SAYS CELEO IS UNGRATEFUL TO THEIR SHARED FATHER  (Read 2217 times)

Manzambi94 #15 on: September 18, 2018, 13:52

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The behaviour of adults? Bill, Celeo and most of the goldrn members of WMMM eere guys with no proper education about money rights and behavuour maybe only Celeo in time is the one who could survive without Werra but for the others they have learned all by Werra, it is very hard to hear ex QL members beefing within themselves and of BCBG maybe only Djino (who became big headed) and Abel De Charme sre mad against JB or fellow members Werra needs to change administration ASAP, he has a bunch of Yesman who makes him think Wenge is still on Top while Fabregas, Ferre and Fally and Heritier are taking over, he is lucky that Brigadegot that incident if not it would be Werra end

Another ridiculous assertion. Werra is not lucky. You cannot be lucky for so many years. He has a formula that is working for him & he has every right to stick to it. You make it sound a if Werra is some brainless robot who is not aware of what goes on around him and has to depend on the so called yes men.


If indeed Ferre, Fally, Watta (with one ish ish album), Fabro et al are taking over then so be it. It's only natural that they do. Nsone is getting older & at some point someone will take over whether we like it or not. But they shouldn't expect Werra to hand it over to them. That's his daily bread too. Damn it!

On a lighter note though, I will only accept your argument that Werra taught these guys the bad behaviors the day you all agree that Werra made these "thugs" the stars they are today. You cannot dispute Werra's claim to the title Le grand formateur but want to impose on him the title of the grand trainer of kulunas. he either "formed them" or he didn't.

By the way, why are you always so mad at Werrason?



I don't know why you treat Werra like a God of he still had the first team and all the talented guy togheter Fally success would be much smaller with that said, if Werra does something wrong a real fan must say it, because it is from mistakes that a musician gets better.
And of course Werra is lucky, right now if a singer like him would pop up and sing like he does only God how much criticism he will get, Wenge and Werra are knowm for Wenge 4 x 4 and Bill & Celeo duo, tell me what solo song in Werra's solo career (except his generique which he buys lyrics for) has stucked in Congo, in A la queue leu leu Nostalgie was one of theost well received songs, in Temoignage Demi Tour which was originally written by J3 and for J3 with Heritier, and Sous-Sol Medicament by Lacoste, and so on.
And if Werra knows everything that passes in his orchestra howcome Bonbon, Brigade and many other got seriously injured or got verbally abused or hmiliated by Werra's staff? Why Werra didn't make anything when Celeo and Bill and all the ream were starving in London? My God Werra is not God he is not the grand formateur he only knows how to spotlight people and put them in star place but many singers and atalaku are already formed before coming to Wenge

mvulusi96 #16 on: September 18, 2018, 14:03

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J3 didn't write Demi Tour. He just worked on the singing lines of the song and other songs of Temoinage who were written by Bourman & Chela (R.I.P.). Werrason started singing Demi Tour already along time ago before J3 joined. I remember him singing it in studio with Ferre when they were recording A La Que Leu Leu.

ZamundaPrince #17 on: September 18, 2018, 15:12

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I don't know why you treat Werra like a God


I don't. I just find your criticism of Werra unfounded & exaggerated most of the times. I have admitted severally that Werra like all human beings is not flawless. he's nothing near perfect.


If he still had the first team and all the talented guy togheter Fally success would be much smaller


In this case we wouldn't have known how good Ferre could become as a solo artist. Koffi lost even bigger stars in comparison to Ngiama. Suzuki, Modogo, Somono, Beniko, Felly tyson, Babia Ndonga, Sam Tshintu, Mboshi Lipasa, Soleil, Gipson, Gecko Mpela, Fally Ipupa ..... Do you think they left because they were happy with Mopao? JB Mpiana did away with some of the stars that he started out with...Aimelia, Makaba, Blaise bula, Mpela & many others that he raised himslef like Djino, Abram, Metrau, Abel de charme. Funny thing is that a lot of BCBG supporters complain about the old guards who haven't left like Rio, Kibens & Seguin. Even Le grand Maitre Franco used to lose musicians. For the 1 millionth time, musicians leaving is not unique to Maison Mere & Werrason. Musicians leave for many reason & it's a very normal thing.



And of course Werra is lucky, right now if a singer like him would pop up and sing like he does only God how much criticism he will get


Werra is definitely not the best singer to have emerged from DRC. He is nowhere near the best vocally. But like we have argued here before, there is more to music & running a band than just the ability to sing. Great singers like Babia, whom I rate so highly by the way, didn't have a memorable time as solo artist. I wouldn't say Wazekwa is a spectacular singer but he is doing equally good.


Wenge and Werra are known for Wenge 4 x 4 and Bill & Celeo duo, tell me what solo song in Werra's solo career (except his generique which he buys lyrics for) has stucked in Congo, in A la queue leu leu Nostalgie was one of those well received songs, in Temoignage Demi Tour which was originally written by J3 and for J3 with Heritier, and Sous-Sol Medicament by Lacoste, and so on.


First let's not make an issue out of the concept of buying music. Even Michael Jackson & Beyonce have paid lyricists. JB Mpiana didn't write all the songs of his solo album Feux de l'amour. Koffi Olomide has sung song composed by others. It goes all the way back to the great Luambo Makiadi.

Secondly do you realise that the Bill & Celeo you are mentioning are a product of Werra's solo career? All those songs you mention are products of Werra's solo career. It's a shame if you chose to ignore all the songs of the album Kibuisa Mpimpa while listing Werra's work as a solo artist. It shows that you are not being objective.



And if Werra knows everything that passes in his orchestra howcome Bonbon, Brigade and many other got seriously injured or got verbally abused or hmiliated by Werra's staff? Why Werra didn't make anything when Celeo and Bill and all the ream were starving in London?

These are some of the things I really don't like about Maison Mere. But I chose not to take them to heart. As a music fan I enjoy the music & pay little attention to the back stage mechanisms. They are there in every music group & I am not ready to quit listening to music just yet.


My God Werra is not God he is not the grand formateur he only knows how to spotlight people and put them in star place but many singers and atalaku are already formed before coming to Wenge


If these people came already formed then you can't blame Werra for how they behave after leaving Maison Mere. THEY WERE ALREADY FORMED! Werra has got no ability of "forming anyone"



SYMPLICITY #18 on: September 18, 2018, 18:40

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I don't know why you treat Werra like a God


I don't. I just find your criticism of Werra unfounded & exaggerated most of the times. I have admitted severally that Werra like all human beings is not flawless. he's nothing near perfect.


If he still had the first team and all the talented guy togheter Fally success would be much smaller


In this case we wouldn't have known how good Ferre could become as a solo artist. Koffi lost even bigger stars in comparison to Ngiama. Suzuki, Modogo, Somono, Beniko, Felly tyson, Babia Ndonga, Sam Tshintu, Mboshi Lipasa, Soleil, Gipson, Gecko Mpela, Fally Ipupa ..... Do you think they left because they were happy with Mopao? JB Mpiana did away with some of the stars that he started out with...Aimelia, Makaba, Blaise bula, Mpela & many others that he raised himslef like Djino, Abram, Metrau, Abel de charme. Funny thing is that a lot of BCBG supporters complain about the old guards who haven't left like Rio, Kibens & Seguin. Even Le grand Maitre Franco used to lose musicians. For the 1 millionth time, musicians leaving is not unique to Maison Mere & Werrason. Musicians leave for many reason & it's a very normal thing.



And of course Werra is lucky, right now if a singer like him would pop up and sing like he does only God how much criticism he will get


Werra is definitely not the best singer to have emerged from DRC. He is nowhere near the best vocally. But like we have argued here before, there is more to music & running a band than just the ability to sing. Great singers like Babia, whom I rate so highly by the way, didn't have a memorable time as solo artist. I wouldn't say Wazekwa is a spectacular singer but he is doing equally good.


Wenge and Werra are known for Wenge 4 x 4 and Bill & Celeo duo, tell me what solo song in Werra's solo career (except his generique which he buys lyrics for) has stucked in Congo, in A la queue leu leu Nostalgie was one of those well received songs, in Temoignage Demi Tour which was originally written by J3 and for J3 with Heritier, and Sous-Sol Medicament by Lacoste, and so on.


First let's not make an issue out of the concept of buying music. Even Michael Jackson & Beyonce have paid lyricists. JB Mpiana didn't write all the songs of his solo album Feux de l'amour. Koffi Olomide has sung song composed by others. It goes all the way back to the great Luambo Makiadi.

Secondly do you realise that the Bill & Celeo you are mentioning are a product of Werra's solo career? All those songs you mention are products of Werra's solo career. It's a shame if you chose to ignore all the songs of the album Kibuisa Mpimpa while listing Werra's work as a solo artist. It shows that you are not being objective.



And if Werra knows everything that passes in his orchestra howcome Bonbon, Brigade and many other got seriously injured or got verbally abused or hmiliated by Werra's staff? Why Werra didn't make anything when Celeo and Bill and all the ream were starving in London?

These are some of the things I really don't like about Maison Mere. But I chose not to take them to heart. As a music fan I enjoy the music & pay little attention to the back stage mechanisms. They are there in every music group & I am not ready to quit listening to music just yet.


My God Werra is not God he is not the grand formateur he only knows how to spotlight people and put them in star place but many singers and atalaku are already formed before coming to Wenge


If these people came already formed then you can't blame Werra for how they behave after leaving Maison Mere. THEY WERE ALREADY FORMED! Werra has got no ability of "forming anyone"


You have argued like a true intellectual. Isolating the issues and addressing them one by one is the mark of some badass brains. The objectivity you have approached the debate with is quite refreshing for a forum where infantile, emotional outbursts wins you a Nobel.Of course there is always a lot of bile thrown Werrason's way. Whenever a thread comes up about him 90% of comments are always very nasty. Maybe he has done something to these guys, you never know!!!!! But if one can accuse Werrason for controlling the actions of those who have already left Maison Mere(like the insinuation that he sends the likes of Bill and Celeo to beef with one another and they oblige years after leaving) then Werrason is sooo powerful maybe he can be regarded as a "god".
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archos #19 on: September 18, 2018, 18:52

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 i believe werra is not responsible for what his ex members do,but there is a bigger thing which is the system
the newcomers after fally and ferre and that bunch who released at the same era,you'll notice the system influenced them to follow some behaviour, then 99,999999 per cent of them once,they  gain some success develop the same stereotypes, dissing people ,stealing a sidekick of another artist which leads to personal and musical beef and so on,arrogance and so on
 i remember for example ibrator who used to say clearly that he has nothing but love for his young bro fabregas but like elders have taught them when you part company you then face each other and challenge each other so they are just doing  what has always existed
also the issue with some groups,is that along with talents which the guys have there was also huge characters so at times there is ego clash

Franco Pepe Kalle #20 on: September 19, 2018, 06:32

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One of the problems with some Werrason fans is that they refuse to see the point of views of some of his former musicians and understand why they may have issues with him. They want to act like Werrason is God and he can do no wrong. BTW is actually the same problem with some JB Mpiana fans as well as Clan Wenge fans in general. They want to act like their man is perfect. Whether be JB Mpiana, Werrason, Blaise Bula or Adolphe Dominguez.

Clan Wenge is the clan with most conflicts and most hatred among the musicians. This is why we will never have a full Wenge Musica 4x4 reunion because the issues are too deep and some just don't want to be in the same room as well as a Wenge BCBG reunion or a Wenge Maison Mere reunion or a Wenge Tonya Tonya reunion or a Ponderation 8 reunion. Too much drama and bad blood.

Case in point Marie Paul. He has hatred for JB Mpiana and Werrason.
Here is a recent interview in which he mocks Werrason


Here is a 2016 interview which he talks shit about JB Mpiana and Werrason


There is too much bad blood in Clan Wenge. Werrason is not alone in this issue.

Paysan Congolais #21 on: September 21, 2018, 13:25

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Debating with Werrason's fans is waste of time. LOL.

It's funny how Werra was able to attract such a fanatic cult around him while being an average, some will say mediocre, musician.  ;D

Manzambi94 #22 on: September 21, 2018, 14:41

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Debating with Werrason's fans is waste of time. LOL.

It's funny how Werra was able to attract such a fanatic cult around him while being an average, some will say mediocre, musician.  ;D

 Facts over facts, MM fans seems like Trump supporters whatever he does it is okay

PCGY KASTELLO #23 on: September 21, 2018, 21:48

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Debating with Werrason's fans is waste of time. LOL.

It's funny how Werra was able to attract such a fanatic cult around him while being an average, some will say mediocre, musician.  ;D

 Facts over facts, MM fans seems like Trump supporters whatever he does it is okay

You re a very bitter man with baseless attacks....man up and be objective in your arguments

shamala #24 on: September 22, 2018, 04:52

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PORTE-PAROLE NON OFFICIEL DE JB MPIANA ET WENGE BCBG.

Nkosi #25 on: September 23, 2018, 07:53

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So Bill cannot tell between bad and good on his own? This behaviour has nothing to do with Werra. These are adults and now independent. There are so many Werra graduates who don't beef. WMM teaches you to work hard and develop that fighting spirit because of the competition. Nothing comes for free there. You relax, you are gone. This explains why former WMM graduates are by far better. Their behaviour after leaving WMM reflects their individual personalities.
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