Author Topic: CELEO LIVE IN LONDON WITH AWILO LONGOMBA  (Read 2816 times)

Manzambi94 #15 on: August 27, 2018, 21:28

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@Manzambi94

I understand what you're saying, but Celeo knew since day ONE that Werrason didn't want him. If he was in Masion Mere for all these years, it was because of his skillful animations that preserved him...nothing else!

At that point, his only responsibility is to make sure he's saving money in the event he is forced out Masion Mere so that he can launch his solo career, which is what he did.

Even though Werrason denied him the role of chief of orchestra, he did praise him on songs;

   (at the 7 minute mark)

(at the 9:45 minute mark)

  (at the 6:30 minute mark)

Celeo Scram should NOT be bitter, this is the music business. Not everyone that gives you a opportunity is your friend, it's an creative and business investment on both sides

Wenge I understand what you are saying but Celeo had the most cries in Ça Sonne the generique of Temoignage and a lot of cries in Alerte Generale as well and his cries in Sous Sol were the most danced in Kin so I find it absurd that Werra were treating him like shit,I mean Diego despite being a weed addict and an alcoholic he is making his tenth year into the official team, and is since bis first video in Mayi Ya Sika that doesn't appear in official videos because of his state, but Diego still gets respected and get treated better than Celeo  inhis time in Wenge

Manzambi94 #16 on: August 27, 2018, 21:28

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You knkw, I think that lyric wise and for historical cries Celeo is way better than Bill becuase Bill yes he is a showman, can dance and can go for hours making cries right away but Celeo on the other hand has always released cries that stayed, Ko Yimbi Ko still to these days is used by everyone Nigerians, Congolese, Kenyans, French and so on whike it is hard to find a crie of Bill that has left the mark as Ko Yimbi Ko did.
I think that if Werra gave Celeo more space, Koffi wouldn't have been able to counterback wenge on the generique section with Generation Bercy, because the only crie that Celeo was allowed in the main generique was Ko Yimbi Ko and that is the only crie that stucked over rhe rest of the time

Voila....I prefer Celeo’s crie than Bill. Celeo cries stays with you and are very catchy. For me the only crie Bill created(I use that carefully) was the solola bien crie and After that I have to think hard to remember the rest, whereas Celeo, from solola bien whole  the way to Sous Sol, bangers.
Absolutely true, Werra didn't promote him, I mean
2003 Alaqueueleuleu promoted Bill
2004 in Alerte Generale did everything to promote Roi David while Celeo came with Sele Ba Maman Sele, Bakokende bakozonga, Sukali Sukali and I have barely heard his name in the songs by Werra
Then in 2005 the Primus AD which didn't stayed in general
2005 Temoignage with Werra promoting Kisanola of Roi David and Kene Kene while even though Kene Kene did Ilo Zapata Celeo had Mwana a Sumbeli Courant, Werra Champion, the stunning kwanza Munu Awa that only got promoted in the seben version of Sans Coeur (one of the few songs with BonBon vocals)
2006 Sous-Sol again promoting Brigade adding Prince and Roi David buzz kinda ended so people were not interested in him and Werra did everything to promote Brigade with Afula atala te while Celeo did some works with Mayi ya Lupemba (Fortune's water) Baz'o lia yo trois points, Oyo akomela Primus amalili, Kudoa Kudia Mingi, until at least what I have heard, Werra fired him bevause he had 30 minutes late, and I know Celeo sometimes runs his mouth a lot but honeslty I would be crazy too if I was working all day all night and people who came yesterday were getting promotion from Boss but to mee once again in 2006 Brigade won om the Sous Sol song

The Roi David-buzz continued until he left. He was there to attack Bill Clinton everytime on tv (Prince took that role after he left) and when they just released Sous Sol there was a making off-video where sung in English which created alot of buzz on those skyrock-pages and msn-messenger.

Werrason didn't like Celeo from day 1 and in 2006 despite being DR Congo's most famous atalaku of the moment, he wanted him out of the band. The reason was because he had good relations and being cloer with those big influent policitians of PPRD, Vital Kamerhe, Moise Katumbi, etc. and also those soccerplayers (Lualua, Nonda, Mputu, Biscotte Mbala, Matoumona Roum, etc.), donors (Didi Kinuani), then him. He started to buy expensive cars, building houses and have alot of expensive clohts from sapeurs, which made Werrason being kind of jealous against him. Because Congolese bandleaders want all their musicians be poor with them  begging for them. So they were looking a way to get him out the band. TSo they started to use Heritier against him who buyed the same car like him. Then when Brigade came it was the good moment. During the tour they were sending Linda and Gisele to insult him in public with Werrason being present and saying nothing. The relation was so bad that he and Flamme decided not to participate on that world-album Sans Poto which pissed Werrason off. During his last concert at Savigny Le Temps he fought against Sankara De Kunta who was attacking him with Blaise Element during the concert. Saying nasty things if he was taking and praising Brigade. Then after it Werrason made a little meeting on their rehearsal place in Paris some days before they returned with him saying that it was the moment to have Celeo out off the band, back then they were thinking he would stay in Europe. So they decided to do a big 12 against him in Kinshasa if he still would be in the band. Then they Celeo's passeport with Celeo being illegal in France and which created all that drama 1 year long. With those La-Zamba attacking musicians who were coming to do a test (yo oza passeport ?, etc.), Prince doing cries about, etc.




Naaah, Tozo lia yo 3 point was the crie of the year. Eh, how people were standing up if the generic were coming on that part, especially to piss those Koffi and JB-fans off hahahaha. Celeo was then the best atalaku of 2007. The strange thing of Sous Sol was that people weren't really paying attention to it in the beginning since that the succes of Droit Chemin was to strong.
But why di Werratook him if he didn't like him?

Matebu #17 on: August 27, 2018, 21:36

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Like was mentioned in the CNN thread, a big reason was simply Celeo is from Bandal... «Bandal ekoya teee...» WMM and the fanbase are the worst offenders when it comes to classism and subsequent prejudices

People really take the «Bandal c’est Paris» mantra to heart
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archos #18 on: August 27, 2018, 21:41

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Also celeo was supported by adolphe who was very influential because being forced out and by wasenga,i remember they did not want to let him appear on intervention rapide clip because he was too "black and ugly" and did not have the "wenge face" for the hardcore pro werra's in the administration which is also why bill was more promoted from day 1
even bill was recruited from bandal while playing football after working with royaume lifaki

PCGY KASTELLO #19 on: August 27, 2018, 21:50

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Very innovative Celeo on how he replaced the Werrason part with Awilo Longomba....otherwise you may end up making a mistake and shout Werrason's name. Did i just see Thierry Mogratana? Good to see him otherwise

Manzambi94 #20 on: August 27, 2018, 22:06

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Also celeo was supported by adolphe who was very influential because being forced out and by wasenga,i remember they did not want to let him appear on intervention rapide clip because he was too "black and ugly" and did not have the "wenge face" for the hardcore pro werra's in the administration which is also why bill was more promoted from day 1
even bill was recruited from bandal while playing football after working with royaume lifaki
Black and ugly? I am really try to content myself to not insult all the Wenge administration pushing this kinda BS, Belgians were killimg us, cutting our hands and putting our hands in the Zoo and we replicate the same bullsjit?

mvulusi96 #21 on: August 27, 2018, 22:53

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Also celeo was supported by adolphe who was very influential because being forced out and by wasenga,i remember they did not want to let him appear on intervention rapide clip because he was too "black and ugly" and did not have the "wenge face" for the hardcore pro werra's in the administration which is also why bill was more promoted from day 1
even bill was recruited from bandal while playing football after working with royaume lifaki

Celeo was also lucky to go London. After some pressure from donors like Washington, etc. and his vieux Adolphe Dominguez. He missed the first concert at London because of that. Then they dumped him and went without him to Canada & USA, but his love for Wenge was to big that he went quickly to Paris when he heard that they arrived in France to perform at Villejuif. He even made a big car-accident that day. This all while people in U.K. advised him to stay and ask for Asylum. The succes of his cries in Solola Bien made him get respect.

mvulusi96 #22 on: August 27, 2018, 22:57

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Also celeo was supported by adolphe who was very influential because being forced out and by wasenga,i remember they did not want to let him appear on intervention rapide clip because he was too "black and ugly" and did not have the "wenge face" for the hardcore pro werra's in the administration which is also why bill was more promoted from day 1
even bill was recruited from bandal while playing football after working with royaume lifaki
Black and ugly? I am really try to content myself to not insult all the Wenge administration pushing this kinda BS, Belgians were killimg us, cutting our hands and putting our hands in the Zoo and we replicate the same bullsjit?

Back in those days you had to be tchoko hahahaha. Did you never heard Papy Cocaine's crie "Oyo ateli te, akolia Bonne Annee te". Or Defao encouraging (I don't never the name of that woman anymore) a woman in a song to not become black again after bleaching here skin in a song of Guerre de 100 ans (I think b'Affaires). "Oteli hein, oyindani te hein". I remember JB Mpiana mocking Werrason in TH for putting tchoko.

archos #23 on: August 27, 2018, 23:00

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 they were calling him rabbi ne change pas because even after multiple europe strips he still was very dark and was not bleaching to "solve it"

Manzambi94 #24 on: August 27, 2018, 23:19

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Also celeo was supported by adolphe who was very influential because being forced out and by wasenga,i remember they did not want to let him appear on intervention rapide clip because he was too "black and ugly" and did not have the "wenge face" for the hardcore pro werra's in the administration which is also why bill was more promoted from day 1
even bill was recruited from bandal while playing football after working with royaume lifaki
Black and ugly? I am really try to content myself to not insult all the Wenge administration pushing this kinda BS, Belgians were killimg us, cutting our hands and putting our hands in the Zoo and we replicate the same bullsjit?

Back in those days you had to be tchoko hahahaha. Did you never heard Papy Cocaine's crie "Oyo ateli te, akolia Bonne Annee te". Or Defao encouraging (I don't never the name of that woman anymore) a woman in a song to not become black again after bleaching here skin in a song of Guerre de 100 ans (I think b'Affaires). "Oteli hein, oyindani te hein". I remember JB Mpiana mocking Werrason in TH for putting tchoko.
Yes that crie was quite big even in my time (90's early 00's) and I asked my dad what the crie meant and he told me "it means, the guy who will not become a bit "orange" will not eat the New Year's eve goat"

Manzambi94 #25 on: August 27, 2018, 23:19

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they were calling him rabbi ne change pas because even after multiple europe strips he still was very dark and was not bleaching to "solve it"
Wow, Wenge is a college for Kulunas and bleachers

mvulusi96 #26 on: August 27, 2018, 23:38

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they were calling him rabbi ne change pas because even after multiple europe strips he still was very dark and was not bleaching to "solve it"
Wow, Wenge is a college for Kulunas and bleachers

It doesn't have something to do with Wenge. It was a trend in the whole Congolese community.

Each band has his own kuluna's. Papa Wemba used to be the boss of them, but lost interest in it after his time in prison. Those kuluna's gave Koffi's spokemen and staffmembers a hard time in Tshangu and Matonge hahahaha. Then Werrason became like their boss. Wemba was the first artist to make that term public (in the A La Une-album). That kuluna-phenomenon wasn't really strong in Kinshasa at that time. It was more in the area's Selembao and Kimbanseke were it really started with those returned Lunda-diamond traffickers.

PCGY KASTELLO #27 on: August 28, 2018, 10:37

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Despite just joining them from Canada as you have alluded at Villejuif concert Celeo made wonderful cries.

Wenge1995 #28 on: November 07, 2018, 03:06

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@Matebu

What happened to Kene Kene? Although he had small space on albums, he still had presence whenever he was called to do animations (his cries on Wabelo Rango was my favorite).

I suppose Michel Bass is in Europe as well...the creative graveyard for so many talented artist.