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Mfumu Vata on: March 10, 2022, 13:22

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Revealing how Tabu Ley humilated Papa Wemba in Brussels. How Papa Wemba used to live in France back in 1982. The way Franco Luambo Makiadi, Verckys Kiamuangana, Soki Vangu and co were involved in the drugs trade.
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Sydo #1 on: March 11, 2022, 10:16

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So he lied here? From 3:04

One of the best interviews I’ve ever seen
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Mfumu Vata #2 on: March 11, 2022, 10:46

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Conglese artists often lie. Like nkisi, they will never admit it openly on tv.

About Franco and Verckys it was know by everybody that they were doing it, because Congolese people never have secrets when doing such business.That's also why they are often arrested or getting snitched. Because before or after doing that kind of business they go to restaurants or bars to brag about it and some for everbody buying drinks, etc. not knowing that there are informants of the police present or rivals. The friend of Niarcos, Niengeton once talked in one of his many videos on youtube about the way Niarcos and him stole some bags from Franco in Brussels. Also before King Kester Emeneya death, Emeneya revealed in one of his last interviews (I think the one with Papa Griffe) that they didn't finish in reality the Europe-tour of 1980, because they got deported when the police found drugs in their house. Franco claimed that it came from them, which made Viva La Musica getting deported. Once in Kinshasa, Papa Wemba and Franco got questioned about it by journalist Lunkunu Sampu during Wemba's show at the national television, but guys denying it.  Even politicians were involved in the business. When Koffi Olomide got in conflict with Zacharie Bababaswe back in 1999. He was about to denounce it, what Koffi used to do in the 80s and 90s in Europe, but people calmed him down.  Franco was also the first artist to do the ngulu-business, but back then artists were paying attention to it, its only years later that they also entered that business.

Paysan Congolais #3 on: March 12, 2022, 18:05

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Very interesting story about our diaspora. MOLA is the only one to bring this type of interviews.
I noticed that Vieux Chelly is saying that the late Bokul and the late Kester were initiated to La Sape by Dikando and his group. But Kester and Bokul themselves said that they were initiated by Niarcos and the Brazza clique of la MEC.

So it’s true that all those big musicians and politicians used to transport weed back then. The late Likinga Redo went to jail for it, in Portugal.

However, MOLA does not have a lot of love for history in general, outside of music and mikilistes. For instance, he should’ve let vieux Chelly talk about the anti-mobutu politicians who used to be in Brussels in the 70’s. It’s an interesting topic. But he does not care about it. He stopped him and wanted to go back to classic mikilist talk.

But I still have to give MOLA props for being the only one bringing these type of stories to us so we can learn about the story of our diaspora.

Sydo #4 on: March 13, 2022, 22:01

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Conglese artists often lie. Like nkisi, they will never admit it openly on tv.

About Franco and Verckys it was know by everybody that they were doing it, because Congolese people never have secrets when doing such business.That's also why they are often arrested or getting snitched. Because before or after doing that kind of business they go to restaurants or bars to brag about it and some for everbody buying drinks, etc. not knowing that there are informants of the police present or rivals. The friend of Niarcos, Niengeton once talked in one of his many videos on youtube about the way Niarcos and him stole some bags from Franco in Brussels. Also before King Kester Emeneya death, Emeneya revealed in one of his last interviews (I think the one with Papa Griffe) that they didn't finish in reality the Europe-tour of 1980, because they got deported when the police found drugs in their house. Franco claimed that it came from them, which made Viva La Musica getting deported. Once in Kinshasa, Papa Wemba and Franco got questioned about it by journalist Lunkunu Sampu during Wemba's show at the national television, but guys denying it.  Even politicians were involved in the business. When Koffi Olomide got in conflict with Zacharie Bababaswe back in 1999. He was about to denounce it, what Koffi used to do in the 80s and 90s in Europe, but people calmed him down.  Franco was also the first artist to do the ngulu-business, but back then artists were paying attention to it, its only years later that they also entered that business.

I always laugh when I hear this stories, they're very interesting. Thanks for the reply

Is this the Emma Vuiti he's talking about? I first listened to his album last year:



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Mfumu Vata #5 on: March 14, 2022, 17:39

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I heard about his name, but I didn’t knew that he became an artist

Manzambi94 #6 on: March 14, 2022, 19:17

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Revealing how Tabu Ley humilated Papa Wemba in Brussels. How Papa Wemba used to live in France back in 1982. The way Franco Luambo Makiadi, Verckys Kiamuangana, Soki Vangu and co were involved in the drugs trade.

When did this Nkisi thing started? I thought Werra and Papa Wemba's generation brought it but I come to know that it was Franco and Tabu Ley also doing it, why? Like if I don't remember wrong Franco even died poor and with AIDS so why having all of those Nkisi and wasting their life for not even long lasting money.

Paysan Congolais #7 on: March 14, 2022, 20:23

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Revealing how Tabu Ley humilated Papa Wemba in Brussels. How Papa Wemba used to live in France back in 1982. The way Franco Luambo Makiadi, Verckys Kiamuangana, Soki Vangu and co were involved in the drugs trade.

When did this Nkisi thing started? I thought Werra and Papa Wemba's generation brought it but I come to know that it was Franco and Tabu Ley also doing it, why? Like if I don't remember wrong Franco even died poor and with AIDS so why having all of those Nkisi and wasting their life for not even long lasting money.

I don't think Franco died poor.

Mfumu Vata #8 on: March 14, 2022, 22:28

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Revealing how Tabu Ley humilated Papa Wemba in Brussels. How Papa Wemba used to live in France back in 1982. The way Franco Luambo Makiadi, Verckys Kiamuangana, Soki Vangu and co were involved in the drugs trade.

When did this Nkisi thing started? I thought Werra and Papa Wemba's generation brought it but I come to know that it was Franco and Tabu Ley also doing it, why? Like if I don't remember wrong Franco even died poor and with AIDS so why having all of those Nkisi and wasting their life for not even long lasting money.

Franco didn't die poor. He was the richest of all musicians after Verckys Kiamuangana. He left two headquarters and mutliple villas in Kinshasa. Mobutu would also give him money the moment he needed it.

Nkisi is part of the Bantou culture. Despite the arrival of Christianity many were still continuing it and many saw it as normal, but not saying it openly since that it was taboo.

Nkisi existed in Congolese music from 1 day, back in those days bands were performing every weekend in bars and them competing against each. The one who last had to move to another bar and them the next weekend competing against another band. But it was mostly that they were performing for fun. Nkisi became really strong from the moment of African Fiesta rivalry (Dr Nico against Tabu Ley Rochereau). Dr Nico reacting to Tabu Ley's disstrack "Toyebi Nganga na Bino" "Moko azalaka na Dendale (Kasa-Vubu) mosusu na Lowa". Former guitarist Roger Izeidi recently wrote a book called "Ce Muyanzi La" talking about what was happening behind the scenes in music when he was with Tabu Ley. There was a part in a book where he said that they went with Tabu Ley to a witchdoctor to finish Jeannot Bomengo and the Witchdoctor ordering them to get all dirt of the Central Market and give it to him, etc. Thierry Mantuika or Gerry Dialungana (I don't remember) revealing many secrets of OK Jazz on radio, about what Franco used to do, the way the late Jean-Jean dived in the Congo-river for TPOK Jazz's fame and signed pacts. On Top Congo FM on every sunday you got Mindule ya ba Kulutu and former musicians talking about the past, funny stories, secrets, etc.