Author Topic: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED  (Read 689 times)

CM PRINCE #15 on: September 12, 2019, 15:22

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I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

mvulusi96 #16 on: September 12, 2019, 15:41

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I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).



Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.

CM PRINCE #17 on: September 12, 2019, 15:46

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Also it wasn't planned that JF Ifonge would planned to put a song on Force de Frappe. He left after Bercy performing at Bercy, but Koffi tried to get him back by saying that he would get a song on Force de Frappe if he would show up and dance in the Cameleon-videoclip. But JF Ifonge refused because Koffi said then that he had first to speak to his mom in private (he was scared because often when Koffi speaks to the mother of important musicians just before and/or after big events they often die).
JF said that in Kin Koffi said when punishing him that he won’t participate in Attentat but that he will participate and get a song in Force De Frappe

mvulusi96 #18 on: September 12, 2019, 15:52

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Also it wasn't planned that JF Ifonge would planned to put a song on Force de Frappe. He left after Bercy performing at Bercy, but Koffi tried to get him back by saying that he would get a song on Force de Frappe if he would show up and dance in the Cameleon-videoclip. But JF Ifonge refused because Koffi said then that he had first to speak to his mom in private (he was scared because often when Koffi speaks to the mother of important musicians just before and/or after big events they often die).
JF said that in Kin Koffi said when punishing him that he won’t participate in Attentat but that he will participate and get a song in Force De Frappe
Yeah I remember that version. But he made made an interview with Alimia Mongala or Soleil Diata this year saying the what I said adding that Depitcho left some weeks later because of his mother having seen a black cat in her dream advicing Depitcho to leave Quartier Latin. Saying also that Koffi kissed him on his lips after having jumped in the public at Bercy (I think that Koffi was amazed about the way JF jumped in the public at Bercy, that it made him ask Jordan to do the same thing in Laussane but people there running away and Jordan ending up by falling very hard on the floor and dancing like Pupulu to act like nothing happened and crying backstage lol.)
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Wenge1995 #19 on: September 12, 2019, 19:37

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Yes, Eric Tutsi never had a true place in Quartier Latin until Koffi picked him over Babia for Bercy. Despite his legendary contributions to V12 and Magie, he was always left behind for the important tours and subsequent albums like Ultimatum, Loi, and Droit De Veto.

Could he have participated on those albums? Yes, he could have and he did on the first version of Ultimatum back in 1996. However, Koffi decided to leave him behind when they rerecorded the version we all know that was released in 1997 and Koffi prefered Babia for Droit de Veto despite the trouble the band experienced with Babia during the Magie tour.

Eric Tutsi could have left in fustration like Willy Bula, but he kept productive and earn his place in 1999. He was more disciplined as an musican than Babia at the time, especially with that side group Talent Laurent which brought Fally Ipupa into the Koffi's attention.

Again, Eric is a legend but I believe that Koffi prefered Babia in spite of his additions.

Wenge1995 #20 on: September 12, 2019, 19:42

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Are there any musicans that didn't make the cut for Attentat that you wish did? Or do you feel like the best of them participated?

I heard JF Ifonge had the best dance solo on Bercy, even better response than Fally. Is that true?

CM PRINCE #21 on: September 12, 2019, 20:21

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Yes, Eric Tutsi never had a true place in Quartier Latin until Koffi picked him over Babia for Bercy. Despite his legendary contributions to V12 and Magie, he was always left behind for the important tours and subsequent albums like Ultimatum, Loi, and Droit De Veto.

Could he have participated on those albums? Yes, he could have and he did on the first version of Ultimatum back in 1996. However, Koffi decided to leave him behind when they rerecorded the version we all know that was released in 1997 and Koffi prefered Babia for Droit de Veto despite the trouble the band experienced with Babia during the Magie tour.

Eric Tutsi could have left in fustration like Willy Bula, but he kept productive and earn his place in 1999. He was more disciplined as an musican than Babia at the time, especially with that side group Talent Laurent which brought Fally Ipupa into the Koffi's attention.

Again, Eric is a legend but I believe that Koffi prefered Babia in spite of his additions.
Again that’s not true because if he didn’t have a true place before Bercy he wouldn’t have been participated in Magie and V12, you’re just saying that. About being left behind for Ultimatum and Loi, QL was stacked at the time it was hard to make it for trips abroad guys like Willy Bula, Mamale, Babia, Biva Ray, Lebou, pathy, and co we’re all left behind but all had their place and Eric left QL just after Loi was released and was in talent latents until Koffi called him back after Academia formed.

Wenge1995 #22 on: September 12, 2019, 21:43

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When I say an artist has a "place" in a band, I refer to them being a consistent presence on albums AND major concerts. If Eric had a place in the group during the early 90s, he would have been in the line-up of vocalist for the major concerts in Europe and abroad the way that Sukuzi, Babia, and Willy Bula were.

He would have been on the same stage for many of the major concerts promoting Loi and Ultimatum, but he consistently never made the final cut like many others. That's why he left and did his stint in Talent Laurent.

When he got called back in 1999, his place was cemented because he contributed a LOT of vocals AND appeared at important concerts from Bercy until he was kicked out the group. That's my point

mvulusi96 #23 on: September 12, 2019, 23:03

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When I say an artist has a "place" in a band, I refer to them being a consistent presence on albums AND major concerts. If Eric had a place in the group during the early 90s, he would have been in the line-up of vocalist for the major concerts in Europe and abroad the way that Sukuzi, Babia, and Willy Bula were.

He would have been on the same stage for many of the major concerts promoting Loi and Ultimatum, but he consistently never made the final cut like many others. That's why he left and did his stint in Talent Laurent.

When he got called back in 1999, his place was cemented because he contributed a LOT of vocals AND appeared at important concerts from Bercy until he was kicked out the group. That's my point

Eric Tutsi became a keymember after the release of Magie. He was then also the only tenorist in the band (Pompom Miyake & Thomas Lokofe came to replace Babia but didn't had alot of experience and Sam Tshintu was on his way to confirm his name) and Koffi brought him then on tour in Europe along with Modogo (also his first trip) and they recorded then V12 there. After the release of V12 he became like Babia more popular, but he started then to get some health issues and started like Babia sometimes not to show up at rehearshals. Which made Sam Tshintu slowly get his place.

Back in the days in Koffi was only taking 4 singers for tours abroad (1994-1997). So its was very difficult, because there were 8/10 singers and they had all alot of talent.

Loi and Ultimatum were recorded at the same moment during their 8 months stay in Europe(they also toured in some african countries during that time). When they returned Koffi started to promote him alot since that he was with Sam Tshintu the only tenorist.



from 8:38 min Koffi let him do all the vocals. (It was their first concert in Kinshasa after spending 8 months abroad).

After that he started to fight to get his place back in the tenor-section against Sam Tshintu, Fiston Mamale and Babia (who just rejoined after being with Bozi Boziana) for a place in the tenor section. But he started to have voice-issues and then he humilated just himself just before Olympia when they performed in Nsele. This all made him lose his place and being left behind in Kinshasa when they went to Olympia. But Koffi was still mentioning him in interviews he made in Europe. Eric Tutsi didn't really leave Quartier Latin he joined Talent Latent to pass his time there in meantime when Quartier Latin was in Europe working on Droit de Veto. He did the same thing in 1994 by joining Madilu with Do Akongo when Quartier Latin went to Europe and the USA before releasing Magie. Do Akongo had even joined Big Stars of Defao in 1995 when Koffi went for V12 to Europe with Quartier Latin.



Here Koffi mentioning his name. To justify that he had the right to leave Suzuki behind in Kinshasa.
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mvulusi96 #24 on: September 12, 2019, 23:16

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Are there any musicans that didn't make the cut for Attentat that you wish did? Or do you feel like the best of them participated?

I heard JF Ifonge had the best dance solo on Bercy, even better response than Fally. Is that true?

I don't really know because I wasn't there and they cut that part from the Bercy-footage (just before Mamale's part). Only people who were present at that event and those in Kinshasa watching it live know it. But alot say that his dance-part had alot of impact, since that they all heard that he was in prison in Kinshasa and some not really recognizing him. Koffi then presenting him when he had to do his part and the public screaming with him starting dancing and jumping in the public. I don't know who said that, but If I remember well it was journalist Popol Mukelenge said that he took his shirt off before jumping in the public.

It would have been nice if Soleil Wanga and Spino La Djatence were there to at Bercy. But they would have then to much tenorists. I didn't like how other singers tried to sing Soleil's part, they did it all wrong. Also Lola messed alot of vocals up during that tour. For example Modogo's vocal of Rond Point he did at Bercy, it would be better if Jordan Kusa did that part. Koffi used to like Lola Muana alot during that tour, letting him do also Babia's part sometimes during that tour and later also those of Mustapha during that time. I've never seen Koffi showing alot of love to him after that tour. Looks like he used nkisi like other members to get on the list to get loved alot by Koffi.
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Grandpretre #25 on: September 13, 2019, 01:34

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I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).



Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.

6:10 depitcho’s vocal is excellent, better than the album version/jordan kusa’s verse
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Congolitude #26 on: September 14, 2019, 00:31

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I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

This version is much better than the cd version

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).



Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.

Jdog #27 on: September 15, 2019, 00:36

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