Author Topic: IF I WANTED TO GET INTO ZAIKO'S MUSIC, WHICH ERA + 5 ESSENTIAL ALBUMS?  (Read 1186 times)

Bohemian Rhapsody #15 on: July 11, 2018, 23:26

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Thereafter we started seeing the same format from the likes of Arlus Mabele and Loketo, Kassav and other session musicians developing what was called internationally 'Soukouss'  ....

You mean to tell me Zaiko are the ones to blame for Kanda Bongo Man and his peers?? ;D

hat album though was perfect for Western audiences, particularly those who just learned about the band or even African music in general. I agree it takes out the soul of Zaiko, if that was what you were alluding to... it’s like a movie with non-stop action scenes rather than a slow intriguing buildup

Yeah I understood the concept and it's subsequent popularity.  It's just one of those albums that I rarely go to.  Same goes for Franco's Animation Non Stop, Sam Mangwana's Megamix and any song Pepe Kalle re-made to fit into the soukous format.

Clan Zaiko were very instrumental in Modern Congolese music from the introduction of the keyboards in sebene -- Pepe Manuaku (Nzenze Mogengo w/Grand Zaiko); atalakus to Papa Wemba introducing the lokole.

Little known fact but...the genre "Soukous" dates back to 1959. I'll do a thread on the history of Soukous and the different types of Rumba. Will also add guitarists that changed the game (era).

Wenge1995 #16 on: July 12, 2018, 16:57

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I'm glad Zaiko answered their critics strongly with the generique; too many people were dismissing them as irrelevant!

1999 was a good year for Congolese music

mvulusi96 #17 on: July 12, 2018, 17:35

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Not really. Nous Y Sommes was played in all bars and was a succes with those new animations "cimitiere ya kintambo", "lisolo ya niama zamba" & "oyo akolia bonne annee te". It was just that Koffi was mocking them that they were local and only performing at the Roint Point Kimpwanza in Kasa-Vubu, while he was getting awards performing at Olympia & Zenith, which pissed Nyoka Longo off and the song Roint Point making it worser. This all made Nyoka Longo do his best to bring Zaiko back to Europe. He was later on invited at Festival des Cannes, but people in Kinshasa & the Congolese diaspora didn't notice it, since that he doesn't talk alot like Koffi and the leaders of Clan Wenge.


Beside the generique and Willy's song I doesn't really like Poison. There was not something new or a thing to say wow, like albums of Clan Wenge, Quartier Latin and Nouvelle Ecriture.
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bencuri #18 on: July 12, 2018, 20:23

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Some Poison tracks like Top Premier were better in live:



They should have recorded something closer to the live version instead. This way those songs are only a nice collection of ideas.

CM PRINCE #19 on: July 12, 2018, 20:35

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Wow really? I loved poison that's the last zaiko album I've listened to in full, the only song I didn't like was lassa's song six mois de silence

Wenge1995 #20 on: July 13, 2018, 17:00

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Damn dude, you didn't like Kasu Roba or Ngolu? The sebenes, vocals, and animations were good

mvulusi96 #21 on: July 13, 2018, 17:35

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I was more in Clan Wengé, Nouvelle Ecriture and Quartier Latin. I started to find Zaiko’s music to old, not innovating and music of “ba tata mibimba” like my friends. Baza ko rond point kaka hahahaha.

I forgot to mention, I liked also Cele Mbonda’s song and the sebene of Monica Bussiness Women (because of papy cocaïne),  the rest of Poison was for me muehh.


Wenge1995 #22 on: July 13, 2018, 22:45

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That's fair criticism, Zaiko did the best they could to keep up with the times while maintaining their long celebrated sound.

The fact that they could never get ahead of the much young competition probably factored into the defections they experienced shortly thereafter.

bencuri #23 on: July 15, 2018, 21:06

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I was more in Clan Wengé, Nouvelle Ecriture and Quartier Latin. I started to find Zaiko’s music to old, not innovating and music of “ba tata mibimba” like my friends. Baza ko rond point kaka hahahaha.

I forgot to mention, I liked also Cele Mbonda’s song and the sebene of Monica Bussiness Women (because of papy cocaïne),  the rest of Poison was for me muehh.



I think the reason that you did not find it interesting is because they have not made their studio albums for a long time similar to the Live Versions. Many of the records released since 1999 is better live than on the album. In the studio versions, the sebene melodies are shortened, they are like "trailers" of the live show. Their recent record: Bande Annoance is a step forward in this sense, because they made it very similar to how they play it on stage.

This is why most of their old albums is better to listen to, because it is very much like the stage experience.