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Title: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 00:20
coming soon...
i will list many events who could have earned him much bigger recognition but which he  did not seize opportunity
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: shamala on April 02, 2014, 05:10
coming soon...
i will list many events who could have earned him much bigger recognition but which he  did not seize opportunity

awaiting
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 09:12
No need. JB lost the glory by getting into a long term marriage to kibense, chai, JDL, Rio and Segiun....no other reason archos. Lets face it, the team which could have taken jb to some positive level was the team of didi kalombo, Kilimanjaro and co. Jb was at a level of competition with werrason which was too volatile and risky but he opted to remain with liabilities for a long time and werrason bypassed him since he knew the best team. Up to this day, jb has been sleeping. I do not know why.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 09:21
No need. JB lost the glory by getting into a long term marriage to kibense, chai, JDL, Rio and Segiun....no other reason archos. Lets face it, the team which could have taken jb to some positive level was the team of didi kalombo, Kilimanjaro and co. Jb was at a level of competition with werrason which was too volatile and risky but he opted to remain with liabilities for a long time and werrason bypassed him since he knew the best team. Up to this day, jb has been sleeping. I do not know why.

 this has absolutely NOTHING to do with his group....no way i would have done a topic which he have already discussed one million time... you'll understand better once i post my work
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 10:34
I am talking of A Golden orportunity not golden orpotunities. The golden oportunity was when he missed the chance of creating a better and competitive team after bercy.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 10:38
I am talking of A Golden orportunity not golden orpotunities. The golden oportunity was when he missed the chance of creating a better and competitive team after bercy.

yes i understand your point,and agreebut i wa talking about something completely different,many things which happened behind the scenes with jb himself,not bcbg and not necessarily in relation to his rivalry with werra
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Ken Bilele on April 02, 2014, 11:47
Carry on archos up to this point you should understand EMO.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 12:25
No need. JB lost the glory by getting into a long term marriage to kibense, chai, JDL, Rio and Segiun....no other reason archos. Lets face it, the team which could have taken jb to some positive level was the team of didi kalombo, Kilimanjaro and co. Jb was at a level of competition with werrason which was too volatile and risky but he opted to remain with liabilities for a long time and werrason bypassed him since he knew the best team. Up to this day, jb has been sleeping. I do not know why.
Mudala, why do you sound so disorientated and frustrated these days? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 12:51
No need. JB lost the glory by getting into a long term marriage to kibense, chai, JDL, Rio and Segiun....no other reason archos. Lets face it, the team which could have taken jb to some positive level was the team of didi kalombo, Kilimanjaro and co. Jb was at a level of competition with werrason which was too volatile and risky but he opted to remain with liabilities for a long time and werrason bypassed him since he knew the best team. Up to this day, jb has been sleeping. I do not know why.
Mudala, why do you sound so disorientated and frustrated these days? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Frustrated yes.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 12:55
Frustrated yes.
;D ;D ;D chill mudala, the albums are coming out soon.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 14:00
-the first big mistake jb mpiana did,happens from 1999 to the mid 2000's as he refuses being a candidate to several awards(particularly kora)
 he gives all his focus on kinshasa and the clan wenge rivalry but seriously neflects his image at international level,whereas albums liue titanic,th or even internet are well appreciated abroad
-still about his international career, he is contacted by several west african producers for a remix album of feux de l'amour with shorter songs and all those restrictions of "world music" and guaranteed good promotion
he starts recording it with a producer from benin but then his staff(damien dimonekene,bruno matadi and co) tell him to  ask crazy money from the producer and also have as a condition thathe would bring to america the whole group including every reserve singer so the producer abandons
- in 2001 after releasing internet,he is proposed by david monsoh working in a second solo album (which ends up being named chemin de fer) featuring some african starsaswell as a complete african tour and a much organized staff with spokesmen,managers,fashion designers... ,but refuses that proposition because of his staff which does not accept "losing" jb to other managers and who convince jb that he would be forced to dump his congolese career which was not the case but who made jb refuse
-one year later, he is announced in palais des congrès,one of the biggest and prestigious halls of paris,posters spread in paris streets,intensive promotion made in drc and france as he is set to become the first ever congolese artist to perform there,but once again the bad influence of his staff strikes,as two weeks before that concert they influence him to ask for 6 times the amount they agreed with producer and at the end of the day producer abandons because its too much money
-in the same year he is approached by producer jps,(as he is in serious conflict with his own producer simon) with the promise of winning kora awards and the possibility once again of recording solo albums and several advantages who could have boosted his popularity abroad but he prefers waiting until the end of his contract with simon instead of ceasing contract and signing with jps
also the fact,his rival werrason is there makes him refuse whereas jps saw in it possibilty of killing competition with other producers by having  the two biggest stars under his wings
-in 2005 while serving his europe ban he is proposed through angolan friends,contracts for southern america for festivals but he fears taking the gamble because  he des not want to play in front of extremely small crowds as he is unsrure there are enough congolese/african people there
-three years later same situation,this time in japan
i-in 2011 a big african event is planned at stade de france in paris and jb mpiana is the first congolese artist contacted but he thinks the project is not serious because the guy who contacted him was congolese and he was skeptical with congolese producers as he had many problems with some of them,but does not understand that guy is actually only a member of a whole organization
he then refuses that contract and prefers signing a contract for angola,werrason,fally ipupa and jessy matador who are contacted later accept
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 14:23
You see how poor JB's management skills are!!!!!!!  Very sad indeed,missed opportunities.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Tunutu on April 02, 2014, 14:33
In this regard, I am forced to believe that JB Mpiana should thank Werrason and May be Makaba for his popularity, he couldn't have propelled Wenge to the level it used to be if he was a sole leader, unlike Mpiana, Werra is visionary and aggressive. 
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 14:44
In this regard, I am forced to believe that JB Mpiana should thank Werrason and May be Makaba for his popularity, he couldn't have propelled Wenge to the level it used to be if he was a sole leader, unlike Mpiana, Werra is visionary and aggressive.

Thanking makaba and werra for his popularity is a bit of a overstatement i think,if you notice well all three had different attributes,makaba was the artistic mind,werra the strategic,jb was the image of the group and a good manager in terms of human relationships
you combine all three you have a perfect artist
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 14:49
In this regard, I am forced to believe that JB Mpiana should thank Werrason and May be Makaba for his popularity, he couldn't have propelled Wenge to the level it used to be if he was a sole leader, unlike Mpiana, Werra is visionary and aggressive.

Thanking makaba and werra for his popularity is a bit of a overstatement i think,if you notice well all three had different attributes,makaba was the artistic mind,werra the strategic,jb was the image of the group and a good manager in terms of human relationships
you combine all three you have a perfect artist
Spot on Archos!!!
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Tunutu on April 02, 2014, 15:14
You are contradicting yourself Archos , how can a good manager fails to see all the  opportunities  you have listed? It is true that he was the image of the group, I agree on that, but not a good manager, a good manager needs to make good strategic decision which is an Achilles heel of JB, although he was the band president but all the powers were not bestowed on him, he shared it with Makaba, Werra and to some extent Masella.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 15:16
You are contradicting yourself Archos , how can a good manager fails to see all the  opportunities  you have listed? It is true that he was the image of the group, I agree on that, but not a good manager, a good manager needs to make good strategic decision which is an Achilles heel of JB, although he was the band president but all the powers were not bestowed on him, he shared it with Makaba, Werra and to some extent Masella.

i said manager in terms of human relationships,not in business terms
this quality is one of the reasons he still has very good relationship with most ex wenge musica members and musicians rarely leave bcbg aswelll
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: JV on April 02, 2014, 15:32
I describe JB in one word....."FOOL"
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 15:42
I describe JB in one word....."FOOL"
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 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D one of our friends here will agree 900000000000 per cent  lol
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: NEWSIDE96 on April 02, 2014, 15:43
It isn't his fault his staff has too much influence on him so therefore he fails big time, I wonder how big JB would be if Chemin De fer came along with the original idea for "Anti-Terro" which was meant to be massive but guys hows the evolution with chemin de fer
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 15:46
It isn't his fault his staff has too much influence on him so therefore he fails big time, I wonder how big JB would be if Chemin De fer came along with the original idea for "Anti-Terro" which was meant to be massive but guys hows the evolution with chemin de fer

he has a pre-record of 14 songs at home done between paris and brazzaville,up to him to decide when he will properly record  the official version in studio
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: NEWSIDE96 on April 02, 2014, 15:55
Well hope it's after Balle de Match i see no reason why he should wait ba vieux oyo bazo bozana l'heure ya pension ezo ya
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Jdog on April 02, 2014, 15:58
Wow JB is really stupid for not taking those opportunities no wonder Werrason has more international popularity.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 16:16
like french journalist claudy siar said,he could have had a much much better career with the right people around him
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Jdog on April 02, 2014, 16:19
ba vieux oyo bazo bozana l'heure ya pension ezo ya

Hahahaha   :D :D
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 17:21
like french journalist claudy siar said,he could have had a much much better career with the right people around him
And these are not just managers but artists. A good image, singing and nice dancing skills are part of showmanship. This alsi includes guitarists and drummers who are part of the package. I like jb for his image and voice, but he lacks business skills which werrason, koffi, fally have.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 17:29
like french journalist claudy siar said,he could have had a much much better career with the right people around him
And these are not just managers but artists. A good image, singing and nice dancing skills are part of showmanship. This alsi includes guitarists and drummers who are part of the package. I like jb for his image and voice, but he lacks business skills which werrason, koffi, fally have.

yes he lacks that business approach but i think even though we all want him to improve we also should learn to appreciate him like he is,he might improve a bit but will never be like them
if we keep a close eye on the  last big stars of  DRC (the generation leaders) they all lacked something
koffi lacked dancing,wemba as well,jb lacks business skills,werra  would be almost untouchable if he was a better singer and so on...
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 17:33
like french journalist claudy siar said,he could have had a much much better career with the right people around him
And these are not just managers but artists. A good image, singing and nice dancing skills are part of showmanship. This alsi includes guitarists and drummers who are part of the package. I like jb for his image and voice, but he lacks business skills which werrason, koffi, fally have.

yes he lacks that business approach but i think even though we all want him to improve we also should learn to appreciate him like he is,he might improve a bit but will never be like them
if we keep a close eye on the  last big stars of  DRC (the generation leaders) they all lacked something
koffi lacked dancing,wemba as well,jb lacks business skills,werra  would be almost untouchable if he was a better singer and so on...

you see what frustrates is he sees competitors rebrand and all, but puts no effort. secondly, people like you talk to him and he argues.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 17:34
In comparison with other congolese musicians, JB Mpiana has less management skills but all of them in the top 10 are not innovative enough,some try to stay relevant on the scene but their strategies and quality of music is not anything special, none of them is challenging others,maybe Fally with his different styles like R&B music like Sweet Life and Electriques Chaise and west african collaborations but that's about it, his rhumbas sound the same as those of the others, just ballads and poorly arranged generique and sebenes.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: shamala on April 02, 2014, 18:03
my opinion on this topic.....

we are judging JB a little bit harshly because we have the benefit of hindsight. in life one has to choose right or left and each has consequences for example in this forum it was stated that werra wanted to quit after wenge breakup and was convinced otherwise...what if?? check now the polemic between werra and ferre is to me I'll advised but they carry on.

JB problem to me is not missing opportunities but playing it safe.He does not antagonize other leaders tries to please everyone hence hesitation missing opportunities. ie if it aint broke why fiddle with it. ( critiques of kibense rio etc want them out for the purpose issues like energy and freshness. however none of the new artists are impressive or have the staying power. if in doubt confirm how long they remain relevant)

in terms of international gigs and awards. this depends ones priorities.here in the forum we have critizised Fully for composed for the world. even one has mentioned that the influence of world music is killing true Congolese music.if you haven't noticed if congolese artist play abroad they play for the diaspora and not fans native of that country.thus for example I can prioritize Kin over say carribean shows.

the only critique I have for JB is on the promotion front.if you check on the internet you get very few hits compared to other artists.He only has hardcore fans (am the only one here in Kenya hahaha).on this front werra beats him hands down ( werra has even advertised for Kenya Airway).BCBG news has helped a bit.

lastly we want an artist to be like another yet we will critize him of copying if he does
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 02, 2014, 18:17
Shamala, we don't want jb to be like another artist, what we want him to do is apply business skills as it should apply to all of us. I am a painter who has lacked business skills and so I was told to start gallery shows to increase my sales. I even opened a company. you see, this is from a genric point of view not at individual level only. you can't have a jelly like human being in the name of rio kazadi to compete with artists like capuccino, fally, heritier etc.......no no no, uncalled for. you can't have a drums man who barely makes a sound when some song is being sung, as a manager, a leader, even in corporate world you interogate those employees that are not putting in the best. I am sure seguin would be out of WMM.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Tunutu on April 02, 2014, 18:19
When Original Wenge defuncted, JB had an upper hand above all the rest , he had a the beat selling album under his belt, he inherited the majority of the Band Members, but without Werrason the real brain behind Wenge successes, he had no clue, he went several steps back. Titanic was a good album because most of the songs existed before seperation, TH, was a good album but not in the same level as Feux D amour, Internet was holy flop.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 18:22
Shamala, we don't want jb to be like another artist, what we want him to do is apply business skills as it should apply to all of us. I am a painter who has lacked business skills and so I was told to start gallery shows to increase my sales. I even opened a company. you see, this is from a genric point of view not at individual level only. you can't have a jelly like human being in the name of rio kazadi to compete with artists like capuccino, fally, heritier etc.......no no no, uncalled for. you can't have a drums man who barely makes a sound when some song is being sung, as a manager, a leader, even in corporate world you interogate those employees that are not putting in the best. I am sure seguin would be out of WMM.

LOL i am sure you have nightmares about kibens and seguin ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: NEWSIDE96 on April 02, 2014, 19:05
When Original Wenge defuncted, JB had an upper hand above all the rest , he had a the beat selling album under his belt, he inherited the majority of the Band Members, but without Werrason the real brain behind Wenge successes, he had no clue, he went several steps back. Titanic was a good album because most of the songs existed before seperation, TH, was a good album but not in the same level as Feux D amour, Internet was holy flop.

I know but JB overall  should be satisfied with his career, played in the great wenge musica, two successful solo albums, bercy, olympia, zenith, stade de martyrs, esplanade, disque d'or, europe/worldwide tours. His done a lot so his not too worried
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 21:05
When Original Wenge defuncted, JB had an upper hand above all the rest , he had a the beat selling album under his belt, he inherited the majority of the Band Members, but without Werrason the real brain behind Wenge successes, he had no clue, he went several steps back. Titanic was a good album because most of the songs existed before seperation, TH, was a good album but not in the same level as Feux D amour, Internet was holy flop.
It's not april fool's day you know, you're a day late. ;D ;D

Werra did fuckall for Wenge Musica, yes, he was instrumental in the recruitment of new musicians having been an original founding member together with Didier Masela etc but anyone who knows the proper history of Wenge Musica will tell you straight that Wenge Musica was Alain Makaba even Werrason himself can tell you that it was Alain Makaba who made Wenge Musica what it was before it split up.

Am sure you're fully aware that Titanic was not JB Mpiana's solo album but a group album and it's a classic one, any serious music critic will tell you it's above Feux de l'amour in quality and remains the best ever by Wenge BCBG.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 22:02
like makaba himself said about titanic,they were in another dimension ,they were all at their best,and the chorus jb aimelia mpela bula was very very very good;
ma,da tchebwa one of the most famous and respected ever journalist of drc said in one of his book titanic is the best ever clan wenge album
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 02, 2014, 22:07
like makaba himself said about titanic,they were in another dimension ,they were all at their best,and the chorus jb aimelia mpela bula was very very very good;
ma,da tchebwa one of the most famous and respected ever journalist of drc said in one of his book titanic is the best ever clan wenge album
Spot on,Manda Tshebwa was on point, Titanic is above the rest because of the variety in arrangement and vocals by the individual singers, there is no boring song or boring vocal on Titanic.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: NEWSIDE96 on April 02, 2014, 23:20
I guess soon I will give my full review on the titanic album as I did for droit chemin and effrakata on the vibesafrique forum. fellow bloggers I do need some facts about titanic especially pre-release for instance the background of the album meaning how did actually occur and who played what for example what did ficarre play please fellow bloggers help me! Thank You
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: archos on April 02, 2014, 23:38
singers jb alain mpela aimelia blaise bula,on lead makaba,mbokaliya and ficarré,on rhythm mbokaliya and fiston savimpi,on bass makaba and kusangila,on mbonda seguin and titina,on drums seguin and titina aswell, animation tutu caludji and keyboards makaba,al nzimbi and theo bidens
mbokaliya played four songs on lead(rdc,his song serge palmi,mambika and liberation),makaba played generique which was composed by mbokaliya and japonais before he went to maison mere(japonais took with him some partitions of station japana),on barakuda,omba,champion kapangala,likala moto and maitre ficarré played titina's song
on drums seguin played serge palmi and titina the rest
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: NEWSIDE96 on April 03, 2014, 00:04
Thank you archos, but I have one more important question for Titanic I know plans were made in Paris for titanic album, pre wenge split it was planned that Jb Mpiana would make an solo album again and before feux de l'amour, wenge musica was planning to a group was that meant to be titanic originally and was the songs of titanic made before the split because I remember some dances well infact all part of montre moi the rest was called before wenge split so that means titanic was supposed to be made already or what??? please help me with some background of the album Please!!!
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: mvulusi96 on April 03, 2014, 00:04
mbokaliya played four songs on lead(rdc,his song serge palmi,mambika and liberation),makaba played generique which was composed by mbokaliya and japonais before he went to maison mere(japonais took with him some partitions of station japana),on barakuda,omba,champion kapangala,likala moto and maitre ficarré played titina's song
on drums seguin played serge palmi and titina the rest

Japonais made a big mistake to leave Wenge 4x4, he was on the way to be one of the greatest solist of Wenge. Maybe better than Makaba or Flamme now. The sebenes he was playing in Wenge 1996'-97 and Station Japana were so sweet and often with much speed comparable what Flamme was doing in his last years with Werrason. Werrason did not of nothing call Kija Brown to bring Japonais back in Kinshasa.  I don't understand what led to the stop of his progression as lead-guitarist and playing explosive sebenes. I can sit down if I watch the old Wenge 4x4 tapes, when he's playing the lead-guitare.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Ken Bilele on April 03, 2014, 06:32
I think JB is a bit conservative and I see Ferre with the same attributes, He's a man who is contented and is not willing to go out and discover new things. Fally is a perfect match to Werra.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 03, 2014, 08:14
I think JB is a bit conservative and I see Ferre with the same attributes, He's a man who is contented and is not willing to go out and discover new things. Fally is a perfect match to Werra.

exactly, that's why I am frustrated with jb and ferre. they have potential but they are complacent. maybe werrason and fally were some of the drivers in their respective former bands.
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: Tunutu on April 03, 2014, 09:27
JB Mpiana and Ferre have wrong beliefs that their good voices are everything, they don't know that music is more than having a good voice, I don't rate Bill Clinton voice, but he is among the best atalakus  Congo has ever produced, and their are a number of Atalakus with good voices but they don't make it.   

exactly, that's why I am frustrated with jb and ferre. they have potential but they are complacent. maybe werrason and fally were some of the drivers in their respective former bands.
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Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 03, 2014, 09:36
Archos, based on the guitar styles and guitar sound that clan Wenge soloists have as standard for their identity, here is how I think the soloist credits are for Titanic

Titanic Generique - Created By Mboka Liya & partly Japonais but played entirely by Mboka Liya (remember Japonais played the same intro solo on Intervention Rapide)
RDC- Played by Makaba
Barakuda- Played by Makaba
Omba- Played by Makaba
Proces Mambika- Played by Makaba or could be Mboka Liya
Likala Moto- Played by Alain Makaba
Tour Eifeel - Played by Maitre Ficarré
Surprise Kapangala - Played by Alain Makaba
Liberation - Played by Mboka Liya
Serge Palmi - Played by Mboka Liya
Title: Re: JB MPIANA AND THE ART OF MISSING GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 03, 2014, 09:41
Thank you archos, but I have one more important question for Titanic I know plans were made in Paris for titanic album, pre wenge split it was planned that Jb Mpiana would make an solo album again and before feux de l'amour, wenge musica was planning to a group was that meant to be titanic originally and was the songs of titanic made before the split because I remember some dances well infact all part of montre moi the rest was called before wenge split so that means titanic was supposed to be made already or what??? please help me with some background of the album Please!!!
The generique was made before the split and the guitar partitions were made by Mboka Liya and Japonais, it is the reason why Japonais played the same solo guitar partitions at the start of the generique Force Intervention Rapide. The rest of the songs on that album were by individual members who went with JB Mpiana to form Wenge BCBG so some may have started composing and rehearsing before the break up of Wenge Maison Mére but that is less important, no one claimed credit from Wenge Musica Maison Mére and Werrason's Maison Mére apart from Japonais who had a hand on the Titanic generique itself as mentioned above so Titanic was a Wenge BCBG album.
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Post by: Tunutu on April 03, 2014, 09:53
DJ Sly, I know that Japonaise composed Ndombolo ya Solo guitar licks? Did he played it during recording sessions or it was Makaba, and I would like also to know who composed Pentagon and  and  guitar licks?
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 03, 2014, 10:01
DJ Sly, I know that Japonaise composed Ndombolo ya Solo guitar licks? Did he played it during recording sessions or it was Makaba, and I would like also to know who composed Pentagon and  and  guitar licks?
As far as am aware based on interviews, it was Japonais himself who composed the guitar partitions and he recorded in studio on that particular generique,at the time Japonais was like the new kid on the block, the Flamme Kapaya of that time with a completely style of playing from what Makaba used to play but then he calmed down as at Station Japana he was more aggressive on the guitar.

I believe Makaba came back much later from Europe and played some of the other songs.
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Post by: EMOVICTEAM on April 03, 2014, 10:23
I just hope jb puts patou solo on the market. kipala kipala kisonzako is not enough. he is being wasted.
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Post by: archos on April 03, 2014, 10:47
Archos, based on the guitar styles and guitar sound that clan Wenge soloists have as standard for their identity, here is how I think the soloist credits are for Titanic

Titanic Generique - Created By Mboka Liya & partly Japonais but played entirely by Mboka Liya (remember Japonais played the same intro solo on Intervention Rapide)
RDC- Played by Makaba
Barakuda- Played by Makaba
Omba- Played by Makaba
Proces Mambika- Played by Makaba or could be Mboka Liya
Likala Moto- Played by Alain Makaba
Tour Eifeel - Played by Maitre Ficarré
Surprise Kapangala - Played by Alain Makaba
Liberation - Played by Mboka Liya
Serge Palmi - Played by Mboka Liya

sly you are right about generique but rdc its mboka,on rdc makaba played keyboards and sung
and mambika hundred per cent certain its mbokaliya,makaba allowed mboka a lot of space in titanic because he appreciated him a lot,ficarré would  not have participated if not for blaise and titina insisting so that he gets a song on lead
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on April 03, 2014, 10:59
sly you are right about generique but rdc its mboka,on rdc makaba played keyboards and sung
and mambika hundred per cent certain its mbokaliya,makaba allowed mboka a lot of space in titanic because he appreciated him a lot,ficarré would  not have participated if not for blaise and titina insisting so that he gets a song on lead
Yeah, I wasn't very sure on Mambika so it could be Mboka as you say.
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Post by: archos on April 03, 2014, 11:02
Thank you archos, but I have one more important question for Titanic I know plans were made in Paris for titanic album, pre wenge split it was planned that Jb Mpiana would make an solo album again and before feux de l'amour, wenge musica was planning to a group was that meant to be titanic originally and was the songs of titanic made before the split because I remember some dances well infact all part of montre moi the rest was called before wenge split so that means titanic was supposed to be made already or what??? please help me with some background of the album Please!!!

yes the generique of titanic was meant to be the generique of future  wenge musica album,aswell as omba,mambika,chantal which was originally sold to adolphe by pascal poba,freddy movadi kibens sold to werra long ago, there were many songs they had rehearsed even before feux de l'amour studio sessions,aimelia would not have got a song if they stayed together,same for christian mabanga
the original plan was 13 songs most of them composed by kibens and pascal poba but there was an argument between makaba and masela because masela was the administrator who was allowed the smallest number of songs
then when their relationship went very bad and the split happened,jb makaba and bula kept their songs plus the ones of mpela,titina,and later mbokaliya and aimelia
if you notice well,ferre reproduced jb's vocal of liberation in pdg makambo because pdg makambo was prepared already in wenge musica so werra tata and masela made ferre repeat it since he was "their jb"
japonais was replacing makaba who had settled in europe,mboka who was too unpredictable and ficarré who was not good enough to be number 1
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Post by: archos on April 03, 2014, 11:06
DJ Sly, I know that Japonaise composed Ndombolo ya Solo guitar licks? Did he played it during recording sessions or it was Makaba, and I would like also to know who composed Pentagon and  and  guitar licks?

It was makaba who played it in studio, but japonais was next to him and if i recall well played ml-solo on that song,both co-arranged album with arranger al nzimbi
as for pentagone,  its ficarré who played in studio  with a bit of help from  mbokaliya
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Post by: Tunutu on April 03, 2014, 11:47
Ok, another question Archos, soon after the release of Titanic, Wenge BCBG toured Tanzania without Makaba and Blaise Bula, when asked on their whereabouts Jb, said that they are in Paris recording their album and they will soon rejoin the group, which didn't happen, what forced the two duos out?   
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Post by: archos on April 03, 2014, 11:59
Ok, another question Archos, soon after the release of Titanic, Wenge BCBG toured Tanzania without Makaba and Blaise Bula, when asked on their whereabouts Jb, said that they are in Paris recording their album and they will soon rejoin the group, which didn't happen, what forced the two duos out?

leadership issues,blaise started preparing another group at home while being bcbg's chef d'orchestre,makaba did not  like the new configuration of bcbg with more than 4 singers and so on and like in the case of werra,jb had to elimlinate fellow administrators to remain the only leader who controls everyting
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Post by: pierrefelix537 on July 04, 2014, 19:25
what was the argument between masela and makaba abut archos, whts the full story of wenge frm after pentagone till the split
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Post by: archos on July 04, 2014, 20:05
there was no conflict between masela and makaba at least no strong conlifct
thanks for reminding me of that story i thin i will do it once i finish the two unfinished biographies i have
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Post by: BG-ground on July 05, 2014, 02:24
Archos do u by chance know what the album was supposed to be named?u said it was supposed to have 13 songs:how many songs by Jb,Werra,Makaba?and last...Everybody seems to forgt about him,Robert Ekokota...was he supposed to participate in it?i remember an interview with him shortly after his accident that he was joining the band back..till today!why isn't he back?   
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Post by: pierrefelix537 on July 07, 2014, 19:05
archos iam still waiting on the story of pentagone and the split thanks