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Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on October 24, 2014, 16:30

Title: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on October 24, 2014, 16:30
At a recent musicians reconciliatory meeting called by the Police Chief in Kinshasa General Kanyama, Mamu Nationale Tshala Muana begged General Kanyama to ensure that everything is done so that all musicians' spokesmen are barred from speaking on national tv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxal8LQ9IgY

Wenge BCBG PR team member in white says that it because of their jobs that they feed their children,build houses etc, he says why should spokesmen be singled out simply because of one person(Koffi) blah blah blah.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Djodjo B on October 24, 2014, 16:42
Can someone please provided me with the names of Bob Marley's Spokesman? Or Franco Luambo spokesman? We don't need those CLOWNS...they just show up every where to INSULT; that's what they do best. Kanyama can create a new band full of clowns like Sankara and Mosaka to make people laugh. I'm sure they can make a lot of money doing that.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: KAISARI on October 24, 2014, 17:14
Maybe if he had one he would've shot more than the sheriff, spokesman take the heat for or off the artists; then again you can argue that Luambo and Tough Gong were spokesmen of their genre...
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 18:17
I think these spokesmen are just for Congolese TV and Internet because I don't even think they announce the programs of their groups internationally, Congolese artists just like other artists have managers who manage them and stuff but I don't really think they need a spokesman because they artists themselves can go on TV and say " album na biso ezo Ya kala mingi te". And if someone else attacks another artists then the musicians of that artists can defend their boss.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on October 24, 2014, 18:49
Can someone please provided me with the names of Bob Marley's Spokesman? Or Franco Luambo spokesman? We don't need those CLOWNS...they just show up every where to INSULT; that's what they do best. Kanyama can create a new band full of clowns like Sankara and Mosaka to make people laugh. I'm sure they can make a lot of money doing that.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on October 24, 2014, 18:51
I think these spokesmen are just for Congolese TV and Internet because I don't even think they announce the programs of their groups internationally, Congolese artists just like other artists have managers who manage them and stuff but I don't really think they need a spokesman because they artists themselves can go on TV and say " album na biso ezo Ya lala mingi te". And if someone else attacks another artits then the musicians of that artists can defend their boss.
Hehehehe, true,apart from polemic and passing greetings to their family and friends that's all they say.....  ''album na biso ezo ya kala mingi te.''
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: archos on October 24, 2014, 19:09
 of course their role is limited,dont expect them to do song analysis and stuff like that,but it would be unfair to condemn the whole corporation because of clan wenge and quartier latin spokesmen who have always been the most involved in polemic
 many do their job quietly and properly
also they feed their families with that job or "job" if we consider them based on the "big names" spokesmen
i think fault comes for their leaders aswell, the day leaders wont send them to do it ,they will calm down,but unfortunately we still have leaders themselves mocking  others' physique and those type of things
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Djodjo B on October 24, 2014, 19:31
Those guys are just good for a Puppet-show. They know nothing when it comes to marketing, music and organization. But when it comes to INSULTS, I can bow my head before them because that’s THE MAJOR GIFT THEY GOT FROM SATAN. THEY REALLY KNOW HOW TO USE IT TO PLEASE THEIR SO CALLED LEADERS.

Jdog,

I would like to inform you that most of the Congolese Singers have no Managers. Some just use their close friends to pick up their phones when they don’t feel like talking; the friend improvises himself as the Manager. After the conversation is over, he goes back to the “friend” status. It is very hard to deal with a Congolese Artist. I dealt with Tiken Jah Fakoly, Alpha Blondy, Papa Wemba and a Salsa band from Toronto. The person I had trouble dealing with was the OLDEST one;  Papa Wemba.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: archos on October 24, 2014, 19:43
kie kie kie djodjo we could spent a whole day listing the number of people our musicians should get rid it off to become truly professional
 i always think about it whenever i see  ya réné lokua kanza in a tramway wearing simple shirts and jeans with his guitar on his back,no bodyguard,no "staff", no " pire petit",no " momie" .... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 21:55
I think these spokesmen are just for Congolese TV and Internet because I don't even think they announce the programs of their groups internationally, Congolese artists just like other artists have managers who manage them and stuff but I don't really think they need a spokesman because they artists themselves can go on TV and say " album na biso ezo Ya kala mingi te". And if someone else attacks another artits then the musicians of that artists can defend their boss.
Hehehehe, true,apart from polemic and passing greetings to their family and friends that's all they say.....  ''album na biso ezo ya kala mingi te.''
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 21:58
kie kie kie djodjo we could spent a whole day listing the number of people our musicians should get rid it off to become truly professional
 i always think about it whenever i see  ya réné lokua kanza in a tramway wearing simple shirts and jeans with his guitar on his back,no bodyguard,no "staff", no " pire petit",no " momie" .... ;D ;D ;D ;D
So are you saying that it would be better for Congolese artist to do what Lokua Kanza does which is having no bodyguard and plain clothes etc?
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 21:58


Jdog,

I would like to inform you that most of the Congolese Singers have no Managers. Some just use their close friends to pick up their phones when they don’t feel like talking; the friend improvises himself as the Manager. After the conversation is over, he goes back to the “friend” status. It is very hard to deal with a Congolese Artist. I dealt with Tiken Jah Fakoly, Alpha Blondy, Papa Wemba and a Salsa band from Toronto. The person I had trouble dealing with was the OLDEST one;  Papa Wemba.
Why was Papa Wemba hard to deal with?
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 22:00
of course their role is limited,dont expect them to do song analysis and stuff like that,but it would be unfair to condemn the whole c
Why would they do song analysis in the first place, I really don't get you unless the spokesmen on TV and say that a songs from a artists isn't good and they analyze it like how Sankara said Brigade's first generique had a lot of unnecessary changes.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 24, 2014, 22:02
At this very moment Fally doesn't even have a spokesman he just has Ambassy go on TV and announce the groups program. 
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: archos on October 24, 2014, 22:08
yes technically singers can do what they do but since they have been given a role for over 2 decades now i find it unfair that their role would stop completeley
kanyama has apparently scared musicians and their employees enough so that they stop polemic anyway
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Djodjo B on October 25, 2014, 14:29


Jdog,

I would like to inform you that most of the Congolese Singers have no Managers. Some just use their close friends to pick up their phones when they don’t feel like talking; the friend improvises himself as the Manager. After the conversation is over, he goes back to the “friend” status. It is very hard to deal with a Congolese Artist. I dealt with Tiken Jah Fakoly, Alpha Blondy, Papa Wemba and a Salsa band from Toronto. The person I had trouble dealing with was the OLDEST one;  Papa Wemba.
Why was Papa Wemba hard to deal with?

He surrounds himself with his "pire petits" (I have no problem with that). But the thing is that one of them is acting as a Manager. I don't want to name people here, but the Guy I am talking about does not speak proper French and does not know anything in English. Nowadays...if you want to do business with (and for) Artists like Papa Wemba or Koffi, you need to speak these two languages. The other problem is that the Guy does not have any respect for what we call TIME. >:( >:( >:( He does not apologize when being late. ??? ??? ??? Most of what he says and does is improvised LOL.  ::) ::) ::)He has no stage plan, number of Singers and Musicians is never known LOL. Number of people travelling with the band is never known, etc. Now tell me, how can you plan something with this kind of people.

Papa Wemba himself is kind of an easy going Guy and does not like talking too much. But he is lazy when it comes to organization. So people taking care of his business are just Comedians (Mosaka's colleagues). The only thing Papa Wemba does best and takes serious is the musical art.

In my opinion, the only moment Papa Wemba had a real Professional Manager was between 1988 and 1998. The guy was a Japanese named Junko Kameshima. I feel comfrotable saying his name because he was a real professional. Junko was not dealing with Viva La Musica but MOLOKAI (the world music band). That was the same time Papa Wemba had a contract with the World Music Recording Label called Real World.; Peter Gabriel is the founder. Every thing was well organized.

One day I was talking to the Boss of the Festival Nuit d'Afrique in Montreal. He said this to me: "I WILL NEVER INVITE CONGOLESE MUSICIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS". If you see a Congolese band in that festival, that means it a small band based in Montreal and the leader maybe his friend. They usually play in very small venues.
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: archos on October 25, 2014, 15:43
kie kie kie djodjo osekisi nga mabe.... this is the sad reality of the music of the "grand pretres" surrounded by friends and petits trying to handle responsabilities they have no special skills for
on another note it seems spokesmen have been forbidden to go on tv by kimbuta
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Djodjo B on October 25, 2014, 16:38
on another note it seems spokesmen have been forbidden to go on tv by kimbuta

That's a very good NEWS! I'm so happy!
Title: Re: MUSICIANS SPOKESMEN UNITE AGAINST TSHALA MUANA'S RECOMMENDATION
Post by: Jdog on October 25, 2014, 16:44


Jdog,

I would like to inform you that most of the Congolese Singers have no Managers. Some just use their close friends to pick up their phones when they don’t feel like talking; the friend improvises himself as the Manager. After the conversation is over, he goes back to the “friend” status. It is very hard to deal with a Congolese Artist. I dealt with Tiken Jah Fakoly, Alpha Blondy, Papa Wemba and a Salsa band from Toronto. The person I had trouble dealing with was the OLDEST one;  Papa Wemba.
Why was Papa Wemba hard to deal with?

He surrounds himself with his "pire petits" (I have no problem with that). But the thing is that one of them is acting as a Manager. I don't want to name people here, but the Guy I am talking about does not speak proper French and does not know anything in English. Nowadays...if you want to do business with (and for) Artists like Papa Wemba or Koffi, you need to speak these two languages. The other problem is that the Guy does not have any respect for what we call TIME. >:( >:( >:( He does not apologize when being late. ??? ??? ??? Most of what he says and does is improvised LOL.  ::) ::) ::)He has no stage plan, number of Singers and Musicians is never known LOL. Number of people travelling with the band is never known, etc. Now tell me, how can you plan something with this kind of people.

Papa Wemba himself is kind of an easy going Guy and does not like talking too much. But he is lazy when it comes to organization. So people taking care of his business are just Comedians (Mosaka's colleagues). The only thing Papa Wemba does best and takes serious is the musical art.

In my opinion, the only moment Papa Wemba had a real Professional Manager was between 1988 and 1998. The guy was a Japanese named Junko Kameshima. I feel comfrotable saying his name because he was a real professional. Junko was not dealing with Viva La Musica but MOLOKAI (the world music band). That was the same time Papa Wemba had a contract with the World Music Recording Label called Real World.; Peter Gabriel is the founder. Every thing was well organized.

One day I was talking to the Boss of the Festival Nuit d'Afrique in Montreal. He said this to me: "I WILL NEVER INVITE CONGOLESE MUSICIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS". If you see a Congolese band in that festival, that means it a small band based in Montreal and the leader maybe his friend. They usually play in very small venues.
Wow how can music advance further if they'd do  know how to do business.