Author Topic: SO SONOR DIGITAL WAS AROUND ROGA ROGA FROM THE CREATION OF EXTRA MUSICA?  (Read 790 times)

Cavalier Solitaire on: March 05, 2020, 12:28

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He says he has been around Roga Roga as his young man from way back before Roga Roga even thought of becoming a musician and that he first learned how to play the guitar from the same person who taught Roga, Espe Bass and Durell Loemba. He also talks about their incoming concerts in Brazza and Ivory Coast. Also talks about what made them leave. He says Roga stopped respecting them musicians to  the point where at one rehearsal, he would be tellling them that 'if you want to leave, leave as he cared less". He adds that one of the last concerts they had in Point Noire, at the end of the concert when paying them their dues, Roga was throwing the monies (never mind that the money is chump change of the contract) in their faces without consideration of the dignity of a person. He says that kind of treatment is what really pushed them to leave. The last straw obviously came when Roga said no one will put mabanga in the coming album.

He ends by saying he still respects Roga as his grand frere but Congo Brazza will see "battle for supremacy" musically that has never been seen before.



I notice that most Nouvelle Horizon clips and rehearsal clips are posted on Levyson's channel, i foresee a situation where Levsyson will start claiming ki leadership of the group leading to friction. I think they should have opened an official group channel.

Mfumu Vata #1 on: March 05, 2020, 21:36

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I wanted to know why became rhythm player after being years Espe’s reserve player (playing bass on Kemde), instead that Roga took a another rhythm-player from Team B or his friend Saint Petro. But the journalist didn’t ask that.

Manzambi94 #2 on: March 06, 2020, 00:34

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He says he has been around Roga Roga as his young man from way back before Roga Roga even thought of becoming a musician and that he first learned how to play the guitar from the same person who taught Roga, Espe Bass and Durell Loemba. He also talks about their incoming concerts in Brazza and Ivory Coast. Also talks about what made them leave. He says Roga stopped respecting them musicians to  the point where at one rehearsal, he would be tellling them that 'if you want to leave, leave as he cared less". He adds that one of the last concerts they had in Point Noire, at the end of the concert when paying them their dues, Roga was throwing the monies (never mind that the money is chump change of the contract) in their faces without consideration of the dignity of a person. He says that kind of treatment is what really pushed them to leave. The last straw obviously came when Roga said no one will put mabanga in the coming album.

He ends by saying he still respects Roga as his grand frere but Congo Brazza will see "battle for supremacy" musically that has never been seen before.



I notice that most Nouvelle Horizon clips and rehearsal clips are posted on Levyson's channel, i foresee a situation where Levsyson will start claiming ki leadership of the group leading to friction. I think they should have opened an official group channel.
I think that Sonor isn't built for the music industry especially a sneaky and slick industry like the Congolese one. Ok he forced out some people from Roga but it seems that he is too passive of things sometimes. Levyson clearly want to sleep with his wife and it seems that Sonor didn't care, Roga Roga surely slept with her and Sonor didn't even mention the fact, when Doudou Copa musicians were mocking him because he didn't have the money to buy his own house or some like tht he ran to defend Roga instead of defending himself. I am glad that there are other members and that Levyson cannnot really be the leader since they can kick levy out quick if he try to do the Roga Roga. But Sonor needs to step up as a man and be bold about things. You can be passive in life especially after all that Sonor has done forCongolese music

Cavalier Solitaire #3 on: March 06, 2020, 07:07

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I wanted to know why became rhythm player after being years Espe’s reserve player (playing bass on Kemde), instead that Roga took a another rhythm-player from Team B or his friend Saint Petro. But the journalist didn’t ask that.
So what are the combinations in terms of playing guitar. Is it that it is easy for someone who plays Bass guitar to play Rhythm and solo but someone who plays solo guitar wont have it easy playing bass but they can play Rhythm? I don't who mentioned something like this in an interview with Popol Mupasula last year. I need to look for that interview for either Ramazani or Ya Fofo le collegien.

Wenge1995 #4 on: March 06, 2020, 08:48

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@Cavalier Solitaire

As a bassist, I found switching to rhythm guitar to be comparatively easier than transitioning into a lead guitarist.

There's certain techniques that I've hardly use when I'm slapping bass or playing rhythm. For example, Roga Roga and especially Kapaya utilizes chord trills to emphasize a particular phrase during a solo.



Roga does trills at 35 seconds of the song, again with Losambo (he adjust his amp for feedback) at 7:57 into the song.



Personally, I'm technical player so I aim for mastery in transitions, walking lines, and so on. I play baritone as well; they're not as popular because it's essentially a six-string bass but I love the sound!

Mfumu Vata #5 on: March 06, 2020, 14:53

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@Cavalier Solitaire

As a bassist, I found switching to rhythm guitar to be comparatively easier than transitioning into a lead guitarist.

There's certain techniques that I've hardly use when I'm slapping bass or playing rhythm. For example, Roga Roga and especially Kapaya utilizes chord trills to emphasize a particular phrase during a solo.



Roga does trills at 35 seconds of the song, again with Losambo (he adjust his amp for feedback) at 7:57 into the song.



Personally, I'm technical player so I aim for mastery in transitions, walking lines, and so on. I play baritone as well; they're not as popular because it's essentially a six-string bass but I love the sound!

In the Congolese music, if you want to play bass-guitar, you have to learn the rhythm-guitar first. The same if you want to play lead-guitar. Because they see the rhythm as the base. That's why most bass-players and lead guitarist always known how to play rhythm-guitar. For example Wenge Maison Mere just started, bass player Christian Mwepu played the rhythm-guitar during their first concert, because they hadn't recruited musicians yet. Leaving the bass guitar to Didier Masela and the lead-guitar being played by Volvo 840 of Zaiko.

In Congolese music they mostly use the 4-string bass-guitar. When they play bass, its only the last 3 chords who are used, being mostly played with the thumb of the right had and the first one chords being pressed by the thumb of the left hand. Its very rare to see some one playing bass like the way people from America and the USA. If I remember well it were only Mbuta Bass of Victoria Eleison (the guy who played bass along with Yves Tshum Tshum on Longue Histoire and Mboka Mboka) and Fellyko Mbuji Mayi also of Victoria Eleison (he used to be Pinos's reserve and want to Europe with Kester in 1991, playing on the album Reponse Polo Kina before the settle in the USA), who used to play bass like Western people do, by using all the string with the last four fingers.

Congolese bassplayers play bass sometimes on the Western style mostly when they are playing rumba. Here's Blanchard Miantezolo playing bass on that way on Mbabula. (from 1:33 min)

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=342847676624670

It's weird to see bassplayers playing sebene, on the western way. I remember seeing a Colombian guy playing Etat Major on that way.



Cavalier Solitaire #6 on: March 10, 2020, 07:13

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In the Congolese music, if you want to play bass-guitar, you have to learn the rhythm-guitar first. The same if you want to play lead-guitar. Because they see the rhythm as the base. That's why most bass-players and lead guitarist always known how to play rhythm-guitar. For example Wenge Maison Mere just started, bass player Christian Mwepu played the rhythm-guitar during their first concert, because they hadn't recruited musicians yet. Leaving the bass guitar to Didier Masela and the lead-guitar being played by Volvo 840 of Zaiko.

OK i get it. So thats why Sonor Digital found it easy to play Solo, Rhythm and Bass in the just released maxi single. But i think that its better to have different people playing different roles because one person playing all the guitars the sound may be monotonous.

Fofo Le collegien somewhere in this interview says "normally a lot of bass guitar players usually become solo guitar players also that many rhythm players become solo guitar players". So would  i be right to assume that once you know know how to play bass or rhythm guitar, playing solo guitar becomes easy?


Also Mimiche Bass (R.I.P) in that interview with Ado Yuhe said that learnt a different style of playing bass guitar from his time under Gode Lofombo. He said many bassists play bass guitar utilising only one string but for him he came up with a different way of playing bass by utilising more than one string and that he used to play like he is playing solo guitar.

Mfumu Vata #7 on: March 10, 2020, 22:45

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I think that you misunderstood Mimiche Bass. Mimiche ignored Lofombo in that interview with Ado Yuhe. He said that it was Lofombo used to play only with one strong and that he was the guy who introcuded the style of playing with all string, like he was playing a kingongolo. While it was Lofombo the person who introduced that style and Mimiche copying it, replicating many bass-lines in Maison Mere. That interview frustrated many people who know both Mimiche and Lofombo well. Lofombo was very furious when he heard it, but it wasn't a surprise, because Mimiche used to ignore Lofombo years long in interviews, while he used to be his petit and understudy. I remember Lofombo 7 years ago saying, that he would not mention his understudies anymore who ignore him, only those who are grateful. Mentioning only Wallo Bass and Michel Bass. 

On which minute did Fofo said that? I just remember that Fofo le Collegien said that he learned playing rhythm-guitar from his uncle, who was doing traditional folklore (Bakongo) music, then later he joined a band and the bandleader who's name his Budha, saw him trying to play guitar and said to him that he woud train him how to play bass. Because the guy who used to play bass in his band wasn't coming anymore.


Wenge1995 #8 on: March 10, 2020, 23:19

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Why wouldn't Mimiche give credit to Lofombo credit? That guy taught him guitar. That's super disrespectful...

Mfumu Vata #9 on: March 10, 2020, 23:41

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Lofombo didn't taugh Mimiche to play bass, but he used coached him at home.

Some Congolese people, especially musicians are that way. They always like to ignore people who helped them, when they get famous and/or money.

Cavalier Solitaire #10 on: March 11, 2020, 07:26

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I think that you misunderstood Mimiche Bass. Mimiche ignored Lofombo in that interview with Ado Yuhe. He said that it was Lofombo used to play only with one strong and that he was the guy who introcuded the style of playing with all string, like he was playing a kingongolo. While it was Lofombo the person who introduced that style and Mimiche copying it, replicating many bass-lines in Maison Mere. That interview frustrated many people who know both Mimiche and Lofombo well. Lofombo was very furious when he heard it, but it wasn't a surprise, because Mimiche used to ignore Lofombo years long in interviews, while he used to be his petit and understudy. I remember Lofombo 7 years ago saying, that he would not mention his understudies anymore who ignore him, only those who are grateful. Mentioning only Wallo Bass and Michel Bass. 

On which minute did Fofo said that? I just remember that Fofo le Collegien said that he learned playing rhythm-guitar from his uncle, who was doing traditional folklore (Bakongo) music, then later he joined a band and the bandleader who's name his Budha, saw him trying to play guitar and said to him that he woud train him how to play bass. Because the guy who used to play bass in his band wasn't coming anymore.
Starting at minute 12:37 of the interview Popol says to Ya Fofo that "apparently you people who play rhythm guitar easily adapt to playing bass guitar but the contrary is not always easy. To which Ya Fofo then answers to say normally a lot of bassists and rhythmic guitar players easily become soloiste". He goes on to give an example of how Beniko Popolipo who was rhythm guitar player had to improvise to play solo guitar since that the soloiste who was there at the concert was left handed which posed a bit of a challenge since they were many groups using the same instruments for all groups that played that time at that concert.


Mfumu Vata #11 on: March 12, 2020, 13:19

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That's because they all start first with the rhythm-guitar, while you just immediately start with playing bass, you can't play rhythm-guitar, because you don't have the basics.