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Title: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Cavalier Solitaire on September 12, 2019, 00:32
Too good to play it for the hundredth time :D. Who helped "Mabele Ya Nkolo" compose this beauty of a song?
https://youtu.be/MuRDb1ar9OU
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 02:14
That was because of the timing. A cd has a maximum of 80 minutes. Force de Frappe had 12 songs so they had to also some short songs. All rumba's in Force de Frappe weren't longer then 5 min (Eternellement, Dulcinee, Number Two and Aquarelle). The sebene songs weren't also really long just 6 minutes while sebene songs are mostly 7, 8 or even 9 minutes long. In Force de Frappe it were only Mea Culpa and Au Secours who were long being 7 minutes.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 12, 2019, 03:06
If Depitcho and co didn’t leave ql at the time would it have been a 2 cd? Since Depitcho and Jf we’re destined to have songs on the album
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Matebu on September 12, 2019, 03:47
If Depitcho and co didn’t leave ql at the time would it have been a 2 cd? Since Depitcho and Jf we’re destined to have songs on the album

A second disc for songs from faux chanteur and faux chanteur extraordinaire?
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 12, 2019, 03:56
If Depitcho and co didn’t leave ql at the time would it have been a 2 cd? Since Depitcho and Jf we’re destined to have songs on the album

A second disc for songs from faux chanteur and faux chanteur extraordinaire?
Depitcho is not that bad of a singer
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Matebu on September 12, 2019, 04:06
If Depitcho and co didn’t leave ql at the time would it have been a 2 cd? Since Depitcho and Jf we’re destined to have songs on the album

A second disc for songs from faux chanteur and faux chanteur extraordinaire?
Depitcho is not that bad of a singer

I’m exaggerating, but my point is album would’ve likely stayed 1 disc at that point (2000) with Koffi’s favorables be shuffled around to decide who got a song if they stayed. For example, Ridens and Passé Kosse may have not made the song cut (great songs from them though)
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 12, 2019, 06:10
What song do you think Savanet Depitcho would be given the most space on Force de Frappe if he stayed with QL after Switzerland concert of 2000?

I think his voice would fit quite well on the album, but it would be a shame to see Ridens or Passé Kosse get short changed to make space for Depitcho. His song would have to be generique cause him making a rhumba would be a complete embarrassment next to Eternellement or Dulcinée kiekiekie!

https://youtu.be/q9peVzvL8HE

We can't even say anything about JF Ifonge, that guy was a excellent dancer and master faux chanter! If this doesn't prove that he's wack, then I'm not sure what will lmao

https://youtu.be/F14p9XTQKTU

The only people from Bercy of 2000 that I wanted stay so badly in Quartier Latin was Mamale Tupac and Mustapha, I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 12, 2019, 06:18
@CM PRINCE

I think people are quick to dismiss Depitcho because they judge him in relation to the people around him. Compared to the vocalist of pre-Academia (Bouro, Sam, Modogo, Babia, & Mamale) and post-Academia (Soleil, Fally, Mustapha, Babia, Eric), then of course he will fall in last place but he was not a terrible singer.

https://youtu.be/ZBfbyfYzBcU
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 07:40
What song do you think Savanet Depitcho would be given the most space on Force de Frappe if he stayed with QL after Switzerland concert of 2000?

I think his voice would fit quite well on the album, but it would be a shame to see Ridens or Passé Kosse get short changed to make space for Depitcho. His song would have to be generique cause him making a rhumba would be a complete embarrassment next to Eternellement or Dulcinée kiekiekie!

https://youtu.be/q9peVzvL8HE

We can't even say anything about JF Ifonge, that guy was a excellent dancer and master faux chanter! If this doesn't prove that he's wack, then I'm not sure what will lmao

https://youtu.be/F14p9XTQKTU

The only people from Bercy of 2000 that I wanted stay so badly in Quartier Latin was Mamale Tupac and Mustapha, I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.

You mean a sebene-song ? Because a générique is a song with only animations (for example Loi, Force de Frappe, Operation Dragon, Heros National & Kipala Nzonzaku). I think that we had even made a topic about the difference of a générique and sebene song.

Depitcho would have  put one of those songs he released on his solo album Projecteur.

Jordan Kusa, Ridens Makosso & Gipson Butukondolo were so lucky. It wasn’t even planned that they would put songs in Force de Frappe. Those many departure during the tour made them get those opportunities.. Especially for Jordan Kusa. If he didn’t insist to Koffi to record that song, then they would have gave another musician the chance to a song on that album. Aquarelle was recorded very quickly and on the last days of the record-sessions. They rehearsed the song on the same day that they recorded it.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: BercysFinest98 on September 12, 2019, 08:51
If Depitcho and co didn’t leave ql at the time would it have been a 2 cd? Since Depitcho and Jf we’re destined to have songs on the album

A second disc for songs from faux chanteur and faux chanteur extraordinaire?

Looooooool! That had me thinking about the time where Bouro Mpela mocked his voice at an Academia rehearsal  ;D ;D ;D

24:08 mark! --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQaogG0tE9c&t=4683s
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Cavalier Solitaire on September 12, 2019, 12:03
Jordan Kusa, Ridens Makosso & Gipson Butukondolo were so lucky. It wasn’t even planned that they would put songs in Force de Frappe. Those many departure during the tour made them get those opportunities.. Especially for Jordan Kusa. If he didn’t insist to Koffi to record that song, then they would have gave another musician the chance to a song on that album. Aquarelle was recorded very quickly and on the last days of the record-sessions. They rehearsed the song on the same day that they recorded it.

So you mean this song would have completely missed out on the album or it would have  been credited to another person's slot? Why was Jordan Kusa never really given opportunities musically by Mopao?
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: SLK97 on September 12, 2019, 13:36
What song do you think Savanet Depitcho would be given the most space on Force de Frappe if he stayed with QL after Switzerland concert of 2000?

I think his voice would fit quite well on the album, but it would be a shame to see Ridens or Passé Kosse get short changed to make space for Depitcho. His song would have to be generique cause him making a rhumba would be a complete embarrassment next to Eternellement or Dulcinée kiekiekie!

https://youtu.be/q9peVzvL8HE

We can't even say anything about JF Ifonge, that guy was a excellent dancer and master faux chanter! If this doesn't prove that he's wack, then I'm not sure what will lmao

https://youtu.be/F14p9XTQKTU

The only people from Bercy of 2000 that I wanted stay so badly in Quartier Latin was Mamale Tupac and Mustapha, I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.

You mean a sebene-song ? Because a générique is a song with only animations (for example Loi, Force de Frappe, Operation Dragon, Heros National & Kipala Nzonzaku). I think that we had even made a topic about the difference of a générique and sebene song.

Depitcho would have  put one of those songs he released on his solo album Projecteur.

Jordan Kusa, Ridens Makosso & Gipson Butukondolo were so lucky. It wasn’t even planned that they would put songs in Force de Frappe. Those many departure during the tour made them get those opportunities.. Especially for Jordan Kusa. If he didn’t insist to Koffi to record that song, then they would have gave another musician the chance to a song on that album. Aquarelle was recorded very quickly and on the last days of the record-sessions. They rehearsed the song on the same day that they recorded it.

So what you're saying is that Koffi almost never considered putting Aquarelle on the final track list. And what made Ridens and Gipson convince Koffi to put their songs on the album?
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 14:35
Jordan Kusa, Ridens Makosso & Gipson Butukondolo were so lucky. It wasn’t even planned that they would put songs in Force de Frappe. Those many departure during the tour made them get those opportunities.. Especially for Jordan Kusa. If he didn’t insist to Koffi to record that song, then they would have gave another musician the chance to a song on that album. Aquarelle was recorded very quickly and on the last days of the record-sessions. They rehearsed the song on the same day that they recorded it.

So you mean this song would have completely missed out on the album or it would have  been credited to another person's slot? Why was Jordan Kusa never really given opportunities musically by Mopao?

Yes, he also said it by himself during the interview he made with Ado Yuhe. If I remember well he said that he asked it throught Champion and then also adding that he said to Koffi that he came earlier then Fally in Quartier Latin, so he has a right to put a song on Force de Frappe and them starting quickly to rehearse the song and recording it the same day.

Koffi wasn't really convinced of him when he recruited among the 50 other singers. He started considering him when he discovered that Jordan was related to his wife Aliane. He missed the Attentat-trip seeing musicians like Lola Muana and other doing his vocals in South Africa. But he started to get more respect from Koffi when he started to insult JB Mpiana and Papa Wemba on tv like JF Ifonge during the tv-shows of Mbuyi Bwebwe and Thierry Pinzi. His hard work during rehearshals and him rehearse in private all Koffi's songs made him go to Bercy. But he wasn't Koffi's favorite during that time. Koffi's favorites when they came to do the Bercy-concert were Depitcho, Fally and Champion. Jordan Kusa became a key-member after the release of Force de Frappe and the succes of his song Aquarelle, continuing with insulting Koffi's rivals (Nyoka Longo, JB Mpiana and Papa Wemba). He had to put a song in Affaire d'Etat but he missed the trip because he was suspended by Koffi. It was a long, Koffi liked his ex'wife and asked him if he could give her to him and Jordan refusing and his friends (Fally, Cambodge and co) defending. But Koffi hold that grudge. Then some moments after it he Oncle Reece sent him to react against Tutu Calugi who attacked Koffi by saying that he was the real MMMMM Mopao (or something like that) saying that he was to wear JB Mpiana clothes  and say that he was the real souverain, but Jordan Kusa refused (he wanted to wash his image, because nobody was liking him anymore in Bandal because of attacking JB Mpiana to strong and often) which made him get some days after it a suspension of 4 months. Koffi then attacked in the Gipson song Biblia, calling him a dog (refering to the story of his ex'wife). Koffi gave him false hope when they returned to Kinshasa for a week to celebrate the 4 kora's, saying during Paulin Mukendi's show that he would join them in Europe, but it didn't happen. Jordan Kusa had also to put a song in Danger de Mort, starting promoting it in the bonus of Danger de Mort. But he left after performing at Grand Hotel Kinshasa were they presented the Monde Arabe inviting guests like Emeneya, Wemba, etc.

Jordan Kusa said during Ado's interview that he was never sure like other musicians (Felly, Fally, Binda,etc.) before tours if he would make it on the lists.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 14:38
What song do you think Savanet Depitcho would be given the most space on Force de Frappe if he stayed with QL after Switzerland concert of 2000?

I think his voice would fit quite well on the album, but it would be a shame to see Ridens or Passé Kosse get short changed to make space for Depitcho. His song would have to be generique cause him making a rhumba would be a complete embarrassment next to Eternellement or Dulcinée kiekiekie!

https://youtu.be/q9peVzvL8HE

We can't even say anything about JF Ifonge, that guy was a excellent dancer and master faux chanter! If this doesn't prove that he's wack, then I'm not sure what will lmao

https://youtu.be/F14p9XTQKTU

The only people from Bercy of 2000 that I wanted stay so badly in Quartier Latin was Mamale Tupac and Mustapha, I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.

You mean a sebene-song ? Because a générique is a song with only animations (for example Loi, Force de Frappe, Operation Dragon, Heros National & Kipala Nzonzaku). I think that we had even made a topic about the difference of a générique and sebene song.

Depitcho would have  put one of those songs he released on his solo album Projecteur.

Jordan Kusa, Ridens Makosso & Gipson Butukondolo were so lucky. It wasn’t even planned that they would put songs in Force de Frappe. Those many departure during the tour made them get those opportunities.. Especially for Jordan Kusa. If he didn’t insist to Koffi to record that song, then they would have gave another musician the chance to a song on that album. Aquarelle was recorded very quickly and on the last days of the record-sessions. They rehearsed the song on the same day that they recorded it.

So what you're saying is that Koffi almost never considered putting Aquarelle on the final track list. And what made Ridens and Gipson convince Koffi to put their songs on the album?

They didn't convice him. It was just that Depitcho and Deba O'Neill (Cameleon was credited to him in the Attentat-album) left during the tour which made them gave to put songs on Force de Frappe. Koffi never considereed to put Aquarelle on Force de Frappe. Jordan Kusa said that during his interview with Ado Yuhe. If he didn't insist at studio on Champion and Koffi to put the song they would have gave Clovis Ngouma or Mustapha the opportunity to put a song on that album.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 14:43
Also it wasn't planned that JF Ifonge would planned to put a song on Force de Frappe. He left after Bercy performing at Bercy, but Koffi tried to get him back by saying that he would get a song on Force de Frappe if he would show up and dance in the Cameleon-videoclip. But JF Ifonge refused because Koffi said then that he had first to speak to his mom in private (he was scared because often when Koffi speaks to the mother of important musicians just before and/or after big events they often die).
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 12, 2019, 15:22
I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 15:41
I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGtWlseig4

Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 12, 2019, 15:46
Also it wasn't planned that JF Ifonge would planned to put a song on Force de Frappe. He left after Bercy performing at Bercy, but Koffi tried to get him back by saying that he would get a song on Force de Frappe if he would show up and dance in the Cameleon-videoclip. But JF Ifonge refused because Koffi said then that he had first to speak to his mom in private (he was scared because often when Koffi speaks to the mother of important musicians just before and/or after big events they often die).
JF said that in Kin Koffi said when punishing him that he won’t participate in Attentat but that he will participate and get a song in Force De Frappe
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 15:52
Also it wasn't planned that JF Ifonge would planned to put a song on Force de Frappe. He left after Bercy performing at Bercy, but Koffi tried to get him back by saying that he would get a song on Force de Frappe if he would show up and dance in the Cameleon-videoclip. But JF Ifonge refused because Koffi said then that he had first to speak to his mom in private (he was scared because often when Koffi speaks to the mother of important musicians just before and/or after big events they often die).
JF said that in Kin Koffi said when punishing him that he won’t participate in Attentat but that he will participate and get a song in Force De Frappe
Yeah I remember that version. But he made made an interview with Alimia Mongala or Soleil Diata this year saying the what I said adding that Depitcho left some weeks later because of his mother having seen a black cat in her dream advicing Depitcho to leave Quartier Latin. Saying also that Koffi kissed him on his lips after having jumped in the public at Bercy (I think that Koffi was amazed about the way JF jumped in the public at Bercy, that it made him ask Jordan to do the same thing in Laussane but people there running away and Jordan ending up by falling very hard on the floor and dancing like Pupulu to act like nothing happened and crying backstage lol.)
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 12, 2019, 19:37
@CM PRINCE

Yes, Eric Tutsi never had a true place in Quartier Latin until Koffi picked him over Babia for Bercy. Despite his legendary contributions to V12 and Magie, he was always left behind for the important tours and subsequent albums like Ultimatum, Loi, and Droit De Veto.

Could he have participated on those albums? Yes, he could have and he did on the first version of Ultimatum back in 1996. However, Koffi decided to leave him behind when they rerecorded the version we all know that was released in 1997 and Koffi prefered Babia for Droit de Veto despite the trouble the band experienced with Babia during the Magie tour.

Eric Tutsi could have left in fustration like Willy Bula, but he kept productive and earn his place in 1999. He was more disciplined as an musican than Babia at the time, especially with that side group Talent Laurent which brought Fally Ipupa into the Koffi's attention.

Again, Eric is a legend but I believe that Koffi prefered Babia in spite of his additions.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 12, 2019, 19:42
@mvulusi96

Are there any musicans that didn't make the cut for Attentat that you wish did? Or do you feel like the best of them participated?

I heard JF Ifonge had the best dance solo on Bercy, even better response than Fally. Is that true?
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: CM PRINCE on September 12, 2019, 20:21
@CM PRINCE

Yes, Eric Tutsi never had a true place in Quartier Latin until Koffi picked him over Babia for Bercy. Despite his legendary contributions to V12 and Magie, he was always left behind for the important tours and subsequent albums like Ultimatum, Loi, and Droit De Veto.

Could he have participated on those albums? Yes, he could have and he did on the first version of Ultimatum back in 1996. However, Koffi decided to leave him behind when they rerecorded the version we all know that was released in 1997 and Koffi prefered Babia for Droit de Veto despite the trouble the band experienced with Babia during the Magie tour.

Eric Tutsi could have left in fustration like Willy Bula, but he kept productive and earn his place in 1999. He was more disciplined as an musican than Babia at the time, especially with that side group Talent Laurent which brought Fally Ipupa into the Koffi's attention.

Again, Eric is a legend but I believe that Koffi prefered Babia in spite of his additions.
Again that’s not true because if he didn’t have a true place before Bercy he wouldn’t have been participated in Magie and V12, you’re just saying that. About being left behind for Ultimatum and Loi, QL was stacked at the time it was hard to make it for trips abroad guys like Willy Bula, Mamale, Babia, Biva Ray, Lebou, pathy, and co we’re all left behind but all had their place and Eric left QL just after Loi was released and was in talent latents until Koffi called him back after Academia formed.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on September 12, 2019, 21:43
@CM PRINCE

When I say an artist has a "place" in a band, I refer to them being a consistent presence on albums AND major concerts. If Eric had a place in the group during the early 90s, he would have been in the line-up of vocalist for the major concerts in Europe and abroad the way that Sukuzi, Babia, and Willy Bula were.

He would have been on the same stage for many of the major concerts promoting Loi and Ultimatum, but he consistently never made the final cut like many others. That's why he left and did his stint in Talent Laurent.

When he got called back in 1999, his place was cemented because he contributed a LOT of vocals AND appeared at important concerts from Bercy until he was kicked out the group. That's my point
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 23:03
@CM PRINCE

When I say an artist has a "place" in a band, I refer to them being a consistent presence on albums AND major concerts. If Eric had a place in the group during the early 90s, he would have been in the line-up of vocalist for the major concerts in Europe and abroad the way that Sukuzi, Babia, and Willy Bula were.

He would have been on the same stage for many of the major concerts promoting Loi and Ultimatum, but he consistently never made the final cut like many others. That's why he left and did his stint in Talent Laurent.

When he got called back in 1999, his place was cemented because he contributed a LOT of vocals AND appeared at important concerts from Bercy until he was kicked out the group. That's my point

Eric Tutsi became a keymember after the release of Magie. He was then also the only tenorist in the band (Pompom Miyake & Thomas Lokofe came to replace Babia but didn't had alot of experience and Sam Tshintu was on his way to confirm his name) and Koffi brought him then on tour in Europe along with Modogo (also his first trip) and they recorded then V12 there. After the release of V12 he became like Babia more popular, but he started then to get some health issues and started like Babia sometimes not to show up at rehearshals. Which made Sam Tshintu slowly get his place.

Back in the days in Koffi was only taking 4 singers for tours abroad (1994-1997). So its was very difficult, because there were 8/10 singers and they had all alot of talent.

Loi and Ultimatum were recorded at the same moment during their 8 months stay in Europe(they also toured in some african countries during that time). When they returned Koffi started to promote him alot since that he was with Sam Tshintu the only tenorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3l5WdvI1lI

from 8:38 min Koffi let him do all the vocals. (It was their first concert in Kinshasa after spending 8 months abroad).

After that he started to fight to get his place back in the tenor-section against Sam Tshintu, Fiston Mamale and Babia (who just rejoined after being with Bozi Boziana) for a place in the tenor section. But he started to have voice-issues and then he humilated just himself just before Olympia when they performed in Nsele. This all made him lose his place and being left behind in Kinshasa when they went to Olympia. But Koffi was still mentioning him in interviews he made in Europe. Eric Tutsi didn't really leave Quartier Latin he joined Talent Latent to pass his time there in meantime when Quartier Latin was in Europe working on Droit de Veto. He did the same thing in 1994 by joining Madilu with Do Akongo when Quartier Latin went to Europe and the USA before releasing Magie. Do Akongo had even joined Big Stars of Defao in 1995 when Koffi went for V12 to Europe with Quartier Latin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eTxQVLXlk0

Here Koffi mentioning his name. To justify that he had the right to leave Suzuki behind in Kinshasa.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on September 12, 2019, 23:16
@mvulusi96

Are there any musicans that didn't make the cut for Attentat that you wish did? Or do you feel like the best of them participated?

I heard JF Ifonge had the best dance solo on Bercy, even better response than Fally. Is that true?

I don't really know because I wasn't there and they cut that part from the Bercy-footage (just before Mamale's part). Only people who were present at that event and those in Kinshasa watching it live know it. But alot say that his dance-part had alot of impact, since that they all heard that he was in prison in Kinshasa and some not really recognizing him. Koffi then presenting him when he had to do his part and the public screaming with him starting dancing and jumping in the public. I don't know who said that, but If I remember well it was journalist Popol Mukelenge said that he took his shirt off before jumping in the public.

It would have been nice if Soleil Wanga and Spino La Djatence were there to at Bercy. But they would have then to much tenorists. I didn't like how other singers tried to sing Soleil's part, they did it all wrong. Also Lola messed alot of vocals up during that tour. For example Modogo's vocal of Rond Point he did at Bercy, it would be better if Jordan Kusa did that part. Koffi used to like Lola Muana alot during that tour, letting him do also Babia's part sometimes during that tour and later also those of Mustapha during that time. I've never seen Koffi showing alot of love to him after that tour. Looks like he used nkisi like other members to get on the list to get loved alot by Koffi.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Grandpretre on September 13, 2019, 01:34
I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGtWlseig4

Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.

6:10 depitcho’s vocal is excellent, better than the album version/jordan kusa’s verse
Shame
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Congolitude on September 14, 2019, 00:31
I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

This version is much better than the cd version

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGtWlseig4

Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Jdog on September 15, 2019, 00:36
I like Fally's and Gipsons vocals.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: Wenge1995 on December 15, 2019, 19:44
@mvulusi96

Not to reheat an old topic, but why did Koffi have so much preference for Lola Muana? He couldn't dance and there were better singers tested for Bercy than him
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: mvulusi96 on December 15, 2019, 20:26
Because he was very disiplined andhad not any difficiculty with remembering Koffi songs while other struggled alot with memorizing Koffi songs. Hence why Oncle Reecee adviced Jordan Kusa to keep rehearsing Koffi songs at home (giving him cassettes), so that could make a chance to go to Bercy. Another thing with Lola Muana was that he had also the ability to write songs (some Effrakata  verses  are written by him).

Quartier Latin isn’t like Wenge BCBG & Maison Mere. Work is the thing that counts for Koffi. You can be the best singer of the planet or the best dancer of the world, but if you don’t give the 100% then you will lose your place.
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: anastasio571 on December 15, 2019, 20:26
I think that the vocals of Chikito, Sarbatino & Jordan were recorded in South Africa but it got deleted. But nobody doing the vocals of Chikito and Alain Kabobo, only Jordan doing by Lola Muana in Malanda Ngombe. Many singers were also there when they came to Kora Awards (Extra Musica, Wemba, Yondo, Awilo, Bozi, Biso na Biso and Jolino were present during that edition).
Title: Re: SOME SONGS DESERVE A BIT MORE MINUTES THAN THEY ARE LOCATED
Post by: anastasio571 on December 16, 2019, 15:13
I always knew Eric Tutsi was a placeholder for Babia and never had a real place in the group.
Never had a real place in the group?? Are you kidding me do you know what you’re saying??? Eric was a veteran by that time, he already participated in Magie and V12  and helped make the chorus on both albums special and Babia was already there on both albums too, it has nothing to do with being a placeholder.. Babia just wasn’t serious by 2000 otherwise we would’ve seen him on that tour too.

yeah. Alot don't know that Eric sung lead on the song Number One what they recorded in South Africa, but when Koffi came in Europe decide to erase it and singing the Tshiluba verses all on his own (Koffi had alot of difficulties to sing it live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inGtWlseig4

Eric Tutsi singing it during a rehearshal.

6:10 depitcho’s vocal is excellent, better than the album version/jordan kusa’s verse
Shame

Especially in Armageddon his vocals is also excellent than in QL. It's sad that they erased the vocals of Jordan by doing Lola Muana's vocal in Malanda Ngombe.

On Droit de veto alof of singers had only 3/4 vocals:
Mamale (Rond point, Prototype, Shopping & Urgence)
Bouro (Rond point, Prototype, Shopping & Riva Menga)
And Babia Ndonga (Rond point, Prototype & Urgence)
But Sam, Modogo & Depitcho had alot of space on 5 songs. In Viva La Musica/Nouvelle Ecriture they only singing and doing mabanga by themselves (without Wenba). But in QL Koffi singing on all the songs of them. But from Attentat until Danger de mort QL singing more more.

I liked his song Willy Musheni when he was in Wenge El Paris. What made him leave the band when they recorded Couvre Feu in the same year (the album came one year later) ?