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Title: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: archos on March 10, 2014, 19:43
part 1 The genesis of both groups(the years before both groups and their  first moments together )

coming very soon...
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 11, 2014, 05:51
Courage!
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 11, 2014, 09:45
Waiting patiently!!
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Post by: archos on March 12, 2014, 13:15
FROM DAY ONE TO  ALBUM MULOLO

in july 1981 in the quarter of bandalungwa(bandal),didier masela who came back to kinshasa( he was at boarding school in the small city of mbanza boma) and aimé buanga develop idea of playing music together,joined few days later by noel ngiama and alain mwanga
noel ngiama"werrason" brought with them his brother ladins montana and cousin mashiro kifaya,and towards the end of the year singer jean luvutula joins them and shortly after introduces to noel ngiama his schoolmate jean bedel tshituka mpiana who takes with him another school mate,rhythm guitarist christian zitu,joined few days later by evo nsiona on mbonda
singers anicet panzu "anibo" and dédé masolo arrive in december and two weeks later blaise bula is introduced to other guys by jean bedel mpiana
werrason,didier masela,jb mpiana,alain makaba and alain mwanga are all considered  co-founders of the group
in the same year of 1982 adolphe ebondja starts approaching the group through his classmate jean bedel mpiana but is not regular with them as he is closer to defao matumona,another singer bienvenue wes koka arrives aswell as drummer maradona lontomba
all were still at high school and were only rehearsing together during holidays,some were even missing because their parents were not allowing them to rehearse as they thought it would disturb them from school
their first "concert" as a group of friends was at bar olympia in bandal during holidays 82 and then all of them went back to school
in 1983 1984 they start performing a bit more and they interpret mainly victoria eleison and viva la musica songs
the name of wenge musica came from  football team of bandal named wenge and musica inspired by viva la musica
at that time the presidents of the group were not group members,in fact the two first presidents of wenge were their donors papy kimbi and mavo voka
in 1985 the group edges closer to professionalism as they start performing at beginning of viva la musica,empire bakuba,victoria eleison concerts
their main rivals as "quarter groups" at that time were dakumuda and lavignora esthetique,boguys bompema and super lemba,pascal poba and les fleurons,marie paul and maitre ficarré in litonge bouge, ricoco bulambemba and blaise kombo with group il fallait kaka and so on
they start singing their own songs like kin e bouger version 1 and ginette of jb mpiana, laura of blaise bula,bebe of zing zong,cesarine of werrason and many others
adolphe ebondja"dominguez" becomes a bit more regular with the group but then their status of students influence the structure of group,as himself adolphe,zing zong,christian zitu and aimé buanga are sent to europe by their parents
dédé masolo "deno star" leaves the group and becomes a pastor
with support of older guys around them like mbuta kiss kisolokele, kija brown werra's cousin,eliott mondobe jb mpiana's private photographer....the group plans a first album and meanwhile a young singer alain mpela tshwakulenda is spotted by werrason in the quarter of kingasani(not to be confused with the city of kisangani) where he was on holidays( he is basically from matete)
alain mpela was singing songs of victoria eleison especially the song ngabelo which he was singing at the very moment werra spotted him
in the same year drummer pipo,rhythm guitarist djolina mandudila arrive in the group,aswell as mi soloist blaise kombo and bassist eddy kandimbo
during summer 1987,singers marie paul kambulu  and towards the end of year jean baptise mileya aka manda chante become group members but are in reserve team
eddy  kandimbo leaves the group in early 1988 replaced by christian mwepu mabanga who arrives in the group a month after his elder brother alain mwepu who became alain makaba's back-up soloist
the group prepare recording of first album in studio bobongo and  this is how for the first time the group  has a president who is a band member
in fact during 1988, the 4 remaining co-founders of the group werrason,alain makaba,didier masela and jb mpiana respectively become financial director,artistic director, founder and administrator and president
 they pick 4 songs for their first album and blaise bula is unhappy as his song is not picked( 3 songs being allowed to new president jb mpiana and one to artistic director alain makaba)
 blaise misses most of the recording sessions at studio bobongo and is replaced by young alain mpela who is installed on a bottle rack to sing because he was too small to reach the height of microphones but towards the end  blaise accepts participating
 album is a great success and  wenge musica's reputation becomes much bigger than former rival groups especially dakumuda's laviniora which was seen as more promising



FROM CHURCH AND ANIMATION IN FUNERALS TO EXTRA MUSICA





Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: archos on March 12, 2014, 14:02
FROM CHURCH AND ANIMATION IN FUNERALS TO EXTRA MUSICA

in late 1980's most of the future founders of extra musica meet each other in choirs of church sainte therese of quarter ouenzé manzanza in brazzaville but some knew each other since early years of childhood like durell loemba and giscar ngolali aka ramatoulay who were classmates and sat next to each other during most of their school years
rogatien ibambi okombi aka roga roga and esperance mouanda aka espe bass who were also classmates in another school
the two first guys to play music outside church were  quentin moyascko who had a group in street in the quarter of talangai and roga roga who was member of tradi-modern group of roi bongol  le grand mumboshi alongside members like papy bombé( who we will later know as papy kakol),jules kibens and so on
in 1992, quentin moyascko invites friends from church sylvain mbon aka oxygene,espe bass, roga roga,ramatoulaye,christian ambé,guy guy fall,ghislain mazikou aka kila mbongo, aswell as mi-soloist mboungou saint petro  in the group of a  company called cogiex( the group is then called cogiex musica)
they start performing in funerals and small bars,interpreting songs of zaiko,wenge musica,empire bakuba and so on but also rehearsing songs mainly composed by quentin moyasco who was the oldest of them all until one day they meet ferreol gassackys who becomes their manager and motivates them to form a more professional group
quentin,kila,roga roga,espe bass,durell,guy guy fall are the co-founders of extra musica
the name extra musica comes from roga roga based on the fact they were hailed as being extraordinary during the days they were performing in funerals
they then start preparing their first album which will be released two years later
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Post by: wuodsimba on March 12, 2014, 14:16
an a deep in-depth background info. indeed. keep it up Archos ! got nothing  to add but 2 wait for the remaining part of the history. God bless u
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Post by: shamala on March 12, 2014, 16:21
good reading
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Post by: Zephania on March 12, 2014, 18:02
Thank you very much it is real funny to hear  these stories.
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Post by: princesab on March 13, 2014, 04:42
So where did the KAKOL come from.

I saw credits on one of the Werras album and he was credited as BOMBE Papy kakol.
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 13, 2014, 06:35
archos would you clarify the time when Alain Makaba came in because as it is in this script he is not well mentioned during the inception time. I also read  that Aime Bwanga  was the second person in the group but later his involvement is not captured well as he was not among those later to be called leaders. what was the circumstance that led to Marie Paul joining the reserve of Wenge if he is said to be one of the competitors of wenge during their first years? Thank you for the info. 
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: archos on March 13, 2014, 08:37
So where did the KAKOL come from.

I saw credits on one of the Werras album and he was credited as BOMBE Papy kakol.

 the name kakol came from the streets,they were some sort of sportsmen who were impressing people whenever they were in streets( i dont remember if they had a link with army though)
but if you listen to the song surprise kapangala by werrason you'll hear jb saying "generation des kakol"( wenge musica members were considering themselves as kakol)
then papy also took that name  slightly before joining maison mere
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: archos on March 13, 2014, 08:51
archos would you clarify the time when Alain Makaba came in because as it is in this script he is not well mentioned during the inception time. I also read  that Aime Bwanga  was the second person in the group but later his involvement is not captured well as he was not among those later to be called leaders. what was the circumstance that led to Marie Paul joining the reserve of Wenge if he is said to be one of the competitors of wenge during their first years? Thank you for the info.

makaba was in from the beginning because he was with didier who announced him idea of group creation to play music during holidays
the first time they rehearsed together at didier's home it was makaba on lead,werrason on rhythm and masela himself on bass
aimé bwanga's name is not really mentioned in the parts wenge gets a bit a recognition for the simple reason,that there is zero image on him in a concert he went in europe  when they still at school(masela,makaba same school, and jb,werra also in another school together for example)
when marie paul joined wenge they were already becoming bigger than all the rest,he had a good friend in wenge who is jb mpiana  and also knew werra, and didier masela as they were neighbours in bandal,and also both groups had same donors so it was easy to get marie paul into wenge,if you notice well except the groups of dakumuda,boguys bompema and pascal poba,the rest of leaders ended up in wenge musica
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 13, 2014, 12:19
Thank you archos.
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Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on March 13, 2014, 19:23
I am curious how Hermann and Doudou Copa later on came to the fold of Extra Musica?
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Post by: archos on March 13, 2014, 19:26
I am curious how Hermann and Doudou Copa later on came to the fold of Extra Musica?

i will explain it in the second part i am working on,maybe for tomorrow or saturday
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Post by: kipeyayo on March 14, 2014, 06:31
extra musica remain to this day my favorite Congolese band. what made them great was that  their generique were not long and tedious with too many interchange like those of Werrason and Fallys of the world. extra musica generique tend to be 7 to 8 minute long with great sebene and danceable tune . even their rumba were short and had a sebene at the end. i wish the other Congolese band would use the extra musica formula instead of having long genereique with long boring rumba songs . its why extra musica remain very popular in Africa and their music are always played in African parties
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 14, 2014, 17:54
extra musica remain to this day my favorite Congolese band. what made them great was that  their generique were not long and tedious with too many interchange like those of Werrason and Fallys of the world. extra musica generique tend to be 7 to 8 minute long with great sebene and danceable tune . even their rumba were short and had a sebene at the end. i wish the other Congolese band would use the extra musica formula instead of having long genereique with long boring rumba songs . its why extra musica remain very popular in Africa and their music are always played in African parties
Well said.
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Post by: archos on March 14, 2014, 23:19
fFROM MULOLO TO THE SPLIT

First album mulolo(also called bouger bouger) recorded in studio bobongo  is a great succes in congo,wenge musica  is heavily inspired by victoria eleison(werrason for kester,blaise for joly,jb for debaba  and so on...)
the group gets revelation of the year award,and mulolo credited to jb mpiana is song of the year
at that time,the lineup is werrason,jb mpiana,blaise bula and ricoco as singers(alain mpela,marie paul and manda chante as reserve,alain makaba on lead,djolina on rhythm,blaise kombo on mi-solo didier masela on bass,don pierrot on mbonda, maradona on drums
shortly after album,mi-soloist collegien zola,bassist delo bass aswell as singer jean didier loko(JDL) join the group but JDL less than a month after is sent to europe to study in a french university
the group start getting popular in kinshasa and congo and intend to extend their popularity to europe and rest of the world with the desire of recording their next album in europe and also touring to present their first one
meanwhile,patient kusangila joins the group as a rhythm guitarist because the group already had 3 bassists and the firs atalakus of the group,roberto ekokota wunda,full king and kennedy mbala all arrive from folkloric group bana odéon,drummer titina who was schoolmate with jb mpiana and blaise bula arrives,kennedy does not last in the group and joins folkloric group swede swede
drummer pipo and singer ricoco are lucky to arrive in france with false papers but  the administrators jb,werra,makaba and masela and the rest of the group are rejected,jailed for a day and released thanks to mobutu family
in fact during the times before and during mulolo recording,manda mobutu aka maitre madova,nzanga mobutu aka november and kongolo mobutu aka saddam hussein the children of president mobutu develop strong friendship with members of wenge musica and especially jb mpiana and werrason 
a big drama happens in the group,as mi-soloist blaise kombo dies after a car accident while going back home after a wenge musica concert,this leads to a lot of controversy
in fact,a version almost confirmed by group members explains that accident was planned and it was the first person to go on stage that day who would die,blaise kombo was the first to go on stage for soundcheck of his guitar,followed by maradona
the very same maradona leaves the group following that incident,along with delo bass
in 1991,the group finally arrives in paris without alain mpela who had exams,manda chante and atalaku full king
they record album kin e bouger which is a massive success and earns them award of best group and the group's lead singer jb mpiana gets best singer award
adolpe rejoins the group while marie paul abandons them as he feels undervalued
one year after in brussels the group records album pleins feux with songs like djino of werrason, dady bitodi of djolina and jb mpiana,ave maria of blaise bula....marked by the arrival of soloist mi-soloist fifi mwamba "ficarré ngenge" and keyboard player désiré kalala and the participation of manda chante
album is not released then due to conflict with producer(one of mobutu children
then in 1993,the group records album kalayi boeing once again in europe and shortly after manda chante leaves as he  felt not supported enough by leaders jb mpiana and werrason during   his mysterious disease
when back in congo,its time to replace manda, many tenorists are tested,the most famous of them being babia chokoro his former group mate in yoka choc,papy sesele aka adjani and of course blaise yombo lumbu aka tutu caludji and aimelia lias miankodila who are those who are picked,aimelia replacing manda and tutu being sent to atalaku section,there starts a revolution in wenge musica and in the whole congolese music aswell
,alain makaba had stayed in europe since their first tour and ficarré became the main soloist,and is later joined by vincent kasongo mbokaliya burkina faso
the rest of the group come back to europe without mbokaliya and caludji but with ali mbonda who replace don pierrot who left during their 1992 tour
album les anges adorables  is well appreciated by fans like other albums and the group keeps rising and is now a massive african group
during 1994 tour,the 4 administrators ponder releasing solo albums following advice from papa denewade
alain makaba is the first to start with album pile of face one year later,which he records using only jb mpiana,ekokota and titina
burkina faso becomes main soloist in kinshasa and in the same year three musicians are recruitied:guitarist fiston savimpi zamuangana(son of enoch zamuangana of zaiko) and singer hervé gola bataringe aka ferre chair de poule both coming from group rumba des jeunes aswell as drummer/mbonda player blaise seguin bongongo  aka seguin mignon coming from kibinda nkoy
the fact makaba is installed in europe means promotion of album does not affect the group's promotion in kinshasa so ego wars do not appear yet
but jb mpiana and werrason start preparing in private with the help of the likes of jules kibens and boguys bompema for jb,serge mabiala and alpatchino for  werrason
the group performs for the first time in USA in the same year without alain makaba who remained in europe to continue jazz lessons and who became a bit independent from the group
after succesful america tour,the group records album pentagone in belgium with participation of alain makaba and head back to kinshasa
once in kinshasa,burkina faso leaves the group the day  and is replaced by japonais maladi kambuku comiing from station japana
album pentagone pushes wenge musica even higher and  this is when ego wars appear as jb mpiana decides to  record his album with producer simon ndjonang "simon music" who already produced pentagone
werrason does not appreciate jb's idea as  they started planning another group album and  unlike makaba jb would promote album in kinshasa and use the whole group to record with and for him
jb finally records with the group but conflict is open between both leaders and slowly the group starts becoming divided in two parts
nevertheless,album feux de l'amour by jb mpiana  is  a big big hit, jb is influenced by producer following positive economical results of  that album to record another one straight away and this makes conflicts even worse
 the group is then divided in two,bana mindele of jb mpiana,blaise bula and later makaba(who were fubu and other american brands),ba japonais with werra,adolphe masela(who wear japanese brands) and simple employees who are used by both camps
they perform in african countries separately and when alain makaba receives money and gives salaries to musicians  werra is furious as before they used to share it  between leaders only then a small part to be shared between simple band members
during reunions to reconcile them, werra is so angry against jb having betrayed  him by allowing makaba to pay musicians on his back that he threatens to beat him
in december 1997,after a month of unsuccesful talks,the group ends up splitting



Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: mvulusi96 on March 15, 2014, 00:47
I found it really stupid that they sacrificed Blaise Kombo, was it really necessary to do it?

Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.

I'm hearing sometimes that Wenge not could perform or releasing albums in 1995, because of an conflict with Saddam Hussein like Koffi & Wenge El Paris in the past. But what was the reason of the ban? I'm sure that Wenge would not split if Mobutu still had the power in Zaire.

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Post by: Tunutu on March 15, 2014, 07:51
Thank you Archo for a nice story, you have pointed out that only, JB, Titina and Roberto participated on Pile Au Face, now who was the teno atalaku, i thought it was Caludgi.
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 15, 2014, 08:10
Now this one has given another dimension all together, can I tentatively say that it's JB who brought  down Wenge with his personal ambitions?
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 08:54
yes and no,like i said he was influenced by producer who proposed  him a lot of money and support for creation of bcbg,and  also his idol papa wemba who told him he was the guy who was carrying the group and he should go solo ,jb did not understand that  it was coming from jealousy
also the fact werra wanted to beat him in front of band members and authorities made it clear for him that it was over and one day after they started wenge bcbg at blaise bula's house
jb's desire was that they could release solo albums while also doing group albums but then feux de lamour was so succesful that every single contract they got was for feux de l'amour  so it made werra feel belittled
werra before the split also had solo ambitions,he contacted titina,ficarré,mbokaliya...and told them they would tour together separately from the group but did not happen because the contracts that where coming were only about feux de l'amour
so when those guys went in bcbg instead of maison mere,werra was pissed
also,there was a song supposed to be jb and werra only in feux de l'amour but werra refused to participate(the song was finally used in internet,the song feux d'artifices)
both had strong solo ambitions but could not understand each other,and those who were jealous of the group used it to destroy them
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Post by: masatomo on March 15, 2014, 09:40
Adjani was tested in Wenge Musica BCBG 4x4 ? I didn't know he was that old.
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 09:53
Thank you Archo for a nice story, you have pointed out that only, JB, Titina and Roberto participated on Pile Au Face, now who was the teno atalaku, i thought it was Caludgi.

it's titina who did tutu's role on pile ou face
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 09:57
I found it really stupid that they sacrificed Blaise Kombo, was it really necessary to do it?

Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.

I'm hearing sometimes that Wenge not could perform or releasing albums in 1995, because of an conflict with Saddam Hussein like Koffi & Wenge El Paris in the past. But what was the reason of the ban? I'm sure that Wenge would not split if Mobutu still had the power in Zaire.

the ban came because of a bit of conflict they had over girls,even adolphe was seriously beaten because he was the one being with that  girl saddam wanted he could have jailed the whole group but its their mother who really appreciated jb and werra who avoided it and years after they could release it
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Post by: masatomo on March 15, 2014, 10:55


 They beat Blaise Bula not Adolphe.                       
I found it really stupid that they sacrificed Blaise Kombo, was it really necessary to do it?

Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.

I'm hearing sometimes that Wenge not could perform or releasing albums in 1995, because of an conflict with Saddam Hussein like Koffi & Wenge El Paris in the past. But what was the reason of the ban? I'm sure that Wenge would not split if Mobutu still had the power in Zaire.

the ban came because of a bit of conflict they had over girls,even adolphe was seriously beaten because he was the one being with that  girl saddam wanted he could have jailed the whole group but its their mother who really appreciated jb and werra who avoided it and years after they could release it
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Post by: wuodsimba on March 15, 2014, 11:08
Archos apart from big egos of jb and werra, i think  tribalism also led  to the break-up of wenge 4 x4 ?
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 11:08
Adolphe aswell,he was put in a car hood by congolese  soldiers and brought somewhere during a wenge musica concert,but the story was not very popular as adolphe was already back with the group one week after
wenge even stopped their concert that day because they lost focus due to how adolphe was "kidnapped"(alain mpela and aimelia used to mock adolphe in private that  they slapped him  very hard on his big  bottom lol)
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 11:10
Archos apart from big egos of jb and werra, i think  tribalism also led  to the break-up of wenge 4 x4 ?

the tribalism issue arrived after when they went solo, with jb not being to perform in werra's region and vice-versa
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 15, 2014, 12:29
Archos le internet, thank you for this great deal of info!!!
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 12:32

FROM UNITED EXTRA MUSICA TO ROGA ROGA SOLO CAREER

In 1995,two years after the group's creation, several members arrive,like rhythm guitarist sylver ndinga aka sonor digital who was also in cogiex stars,dominique elenga aka doudou copa brought in by best friend guyguy fall,hermann ngassaki introduced by cousin and group manager ferreol gassackys,mbonda players emery boyart and gildas pozzi coming from the rival group of cogiex stars and christian kingstall  on keyboards introduced by roga roga
they release album les nouveaux missiles which is a great success and 50 000 cds sold within 5 months,and gold disk by the end of the year
the song freddy nelson is so succesful that it becomes like a nickname to quentin moyascko president of the group and its author
after success of first album,its time to confirm themselves as a big group,hence the title of second album confirmation
and indeed the group is confirmed as a big one with revelation of the year award and best group award aswell in africa musica awards organized in ivory coast
in the singers lineup,christian ambé is replaced by samba brice abilissi
the third album of the group,ouragan(hurricane or storm in english) is record one year later in 1997 with the mention "champions d'afrique"(champions of africa) and without participation of guyguy fall gone to europe
once again massive success,and the song la difference by roga roga being a big hit
but quickly leadership rivalries appear between chef d'orchestre roga roga and president quentin moyascko,a conflict used by producer simon music to create split in the group as quentin,durell and regis touba leave to create extra musica international(two years after,simon creates split again and durell creates Z1 international with regis touba,leaving quentin with exta international)
to replace them,roga roga who becomes the president hires singers papyjah and papy bastin but they do not participate to album etat major recorded in france as they are left in congo
album is a massive hit and their first generique etat major is still a classic nowadays
when back in congo,they perform in several african countries and they go back to europe with bastin papyjah plus a new atalaku arafat who does sung animation in contrast to shouting animation by kila mbongo and record album shalai they are voted best group at kora awards in south africa in 2000
this is the beginning of a planned 5 album collaboration with cameroonian producer jps
one year after,the group records album trop c'est trop without kila mbongo who remains in europe due to serious throat problems
but after trop c'est trop,unlike with other albums extra musica take 3 years to record another album,as jps starts having financial problems
meanwhile,singers fiston boko who arrives from les pipiyu of wenge bcbg,rossen superman,levyson and kerson saddam arriving from Z1 international join the group,followed by atalaku typhoide tarzan who replaces kila mbongo
in 2004,obligatoire is finally out and its leads to many conflicts in the band,roga roga wants to dominate completely the group and doudou copa leaves the group feeling unsettled
in the meantime,roga roga recruited a singer with a bit of similarity with doudou, the young dido senga
one year later,oxygene,kerson,rossen,papy bastin,typhoide and keyboard player baudouin missapi leave the group to create universal zangul
regis touba returns to the group following his bad experience in wenge bcbg but the group can not yet release another album as jps is jailed so they have to find another producer
in 2006,they sign a contract with sonima music for an album which is la main noire and arrival of singers juventus who replaces kerson,rav4 who replaces papy bastin and kassoumbalessa who replaces rossen
after that album,extra musica keep touring in africa and slowly but surely roga roga eliminates all those who could contest his leadership
hermann ngassaki is forced out of the group with the pretext that he went to promote his songs  he had released in extra musica in a nightclub and regis is also forced out for similar reasons later
in their last times in the group,they are not informed by extra's administration that the group is performing here or there and its their friends and families who inform them,they find it strange but it was actually part of the desire of roga roga to become untouchable president
same for arafat who is replaced by zaparo de guerre coming from Z1 international,and the arrival of atalaku etats unis d'amerique coming from extra musica international
only ramatoulaye and espe bass who accept his extreme dominance remain in the group along with  sonor digital promoted to chef d'orchestre
from that point,its not anymore extra musica as a unit but roga roga and extra musica with a team of much younger guys who can't contest roga's authority
and roga roga abandons his soloist role to become the group's lead singer,a third atalaku is added,de brazza, and obama synthé replaces baudoin missapi gone with oxy and co
as a sign of his authority,he records his solo album sorcellerie kindoki which is succesful in congo and roga roga reveals dream of a gold disk
currently there is roga roga's second album contentieux which is ready and set to be released in a couple of weeks
 in 2013 to celebrate the 20 years of extra musica, a concert is organized but roga roga refused to go back to soloist role for that concert and to perform next to rivals quentin moyascko and co
so they perform and leave stage then roga roga and his extra musica go on stage and heavily booed as fans did not appreciate roga's attitude
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Post by: archos on March 15, 2014, 12:40
I found it really stupid that they sacrificed Blaise Kombo, was it really necessary to do it?

Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.

I'm hearing sometimes that Wenge not could perform or releasing albums in 1995, because of an conflict with Saddam Hussein like Koffi & Wenge El Paris in the past. But what was the reason of the ban? I'm sure that Wenge would not split if Mobutu still had the power in Zaire.

it's how people convinced jb and werra who knew the dirty secrets of the group
in kin e bouger already they did ceremonies with the head of a dead goat which they buried in  the group's "office"
masela,blaise bula,makaba and tata were not really involved in that
 that's why manda chante is so angry at them,he suspects them of wanting to sacrifice him also with that strange disease he had
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 16, 2014, 10:25
Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.
As archos has rightly said, Yombo Lumbu Tutu Kaludji joined Wenge Musica as a tenorist seeking to replace Manda Chante but it was Aimelia who was picked to replace Manda Chante. Tutu has another talent and it was animation so he was sent to the animation section just like they did to Ferre Gola. Tutu was unleashed on the album Pentagone and remember Ferre Gola has also claimed he helped compose the animation for the album Pentagone which came after Alain Makaba's Pile Ou Face.  Tutu Kaludji was not a faux animateur, he was perfect and completely changed the animation style. All top atalukus give maximum respect to Tutu for introducing the tenor singing type of animation, even top falsetto atalukus like Bill Clinton,Gessac and others highly rate Tutu and say he was a pioneer and after his error, it is them.

Unlike JB Mpiana who used Wenge Musica musicians and Papa Wemba as the only invited guest on his solo album, Alain Makaba had a completely different plan for his solo album and used mainly outside musicians like Dindo Yogo,King Kester Emeneya and Sam Mangwana. On animation Makaba used Roberto Enkokota the Wenge ataluku then strangely also used drummer Titina Alcapone on animation, we know Alcapone is also multi talented but that was a surprise having him on animation, it is for that even Madilu System also featured him(Alcapone) on animation on one the 1999 album L'eau.
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 16, 2014, 10:39
Now this one has given another dimension all together, can I tentatively say that it's JB who brought  down Wenge with his personal ambitions?
Other people will tell you  that it's Alain Makaba's idea of the band's leaders to each release solo albums after each band album. Alain Makaba released his first, it was successful quite alright then the band released a group album Pentagone followed later by JB Mpiana's solo album Feux de l'amour arranged by Alfred Nzimbi, this won him a gold disc and got him financial success in his personal capacity especially with his links to the band sponsors. Simon Productions capitalised on the success of Feux de l'amour to convince JB Mpiana that he could be better off as a soloist as it is actually more commercially viable as a solo artist.

After JB Mpiana's solo album, the next one was supposed to be Werrason's Kibuisa Mpimpa also arranged by Alfred Nzimbi but alas the band broke up due to Werrason's alleged financial mismanagement which caused the band members to be playing for free forcing JB Mpiana who was getting wealthy to start paying the musicians himself and that is how he ended up with almost the entire band when Wenge Musica finally broke up. Werrason finally released his first solo album Kibuisa Mpimpa in 2001 after the break up of his union with Didier Masela and Adolphe Dominguez( as Wenge Musica Maison Mére) Werra was now promoting himself as ''Werrason and Wenge Maison Mére as ''Musica'' was retained by original founding father Didier Masela.

Almost all the former Wenge musicians you ask attribute the split of Wenge to financial mismanagement by Werra and to some degree the personal ego of not only JB Mpiana but the other leaders of Wenge Musica but it was the success of JB Mpiana that was the final nail in the coffin as it was at that point that jealousy got worse so it  was not entirely JB's fault that he started paying musicians when someone else was chewing the band's money.
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Post by: archos on March 16, 2014, 10:54
and like werra himself admitted sometimes masela had to come to his house  and force him to give him some money otherwise he would not leave,and he was imitating masela's voice to perfection :D :D :D
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Post by: shamala on March 16, 2014, 11:41
thanks Arches
How was Regis mistreated in BCBG? Anyone with a video of Regis in BCBG.
JDL is quite old..I though the was brought as Alain backup .
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Post by: archos on March 16, 2014, 11:49
thanks Arches
How was Regis mistreated in BCBG? Anyone with a video of Regis in BCBG.
JDL is quite old..I though the was brought as Alain backup .

he was singing with fudji and co more than the team of alain mpela and co,and one day he was singing jdl took the microphone off him and told him to go back behind the stage with ppu's and in general he was not accepted as at that time  it was not easy coming from brazza and settling into a kinshasa group
yeah jdl is same age almost with the likes of kusangila,titina,manda chante and co,indeed he was brought in as alain back-up that whole team of europe guys( boguys,bikou,him an mukena) were basically coming as back-ups they it changed when bcbg used more than 4 singers on stage
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 16, 2014, 12:02
and like werra himself admitted sometimes masela had to come to his house  and force him to give him some money otherwise he would not leave,and he was imitating masela's voice to perfection :D :D :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: mvulusi96 on March 16, 2014, 14:57
Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.
As archos has rightly said, Yombo Lumbu Tutu Kaludji joined Wenge Musica as a tenorist seeking to replace Manda Chante but it was Aimelia who was picked to replace Manda Chante. Tutu has another talent and it was animation so he was sent to the animation section just like they did to Ferre Gola. Tutu was unleashed on the album Pentagone and remember Ferre Gola has also claimed he helped compose the animation for the album Pentagone which came after Alain Makaba's Pile Ou Face.  Tutu Kaludji was not a faux animateur, he was perfect and completely changed the animation style. All top atalukus give maximum respect to Tutu for introducing the tenor singing type of animation, even top falsetto atalukus like Bill Clinton,Gessac and others highly rate Tutu and say he was a pioneer and after his error, it is them.


What I'm saying about Tutu Calugi is true look at all videos of Wenge Musica from 1993 and 1994, it was very difficult for him to be an atalaku in the beginging, himself did also revealed it in an interview 5 years ago. He became great after the release of Anges Adorables.....
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Post by: archos on March 16, 2014, 15:35
yeah what was difficult for tutu was doing animation for a whole concert,because in staff london and promise musica he was singer and was doing animation sometimes,and sometimes it was mboshi so he had to adapt to doing animation only for a whole concert
if i remember well what he said, he said he was losing his voice quickly,notice ferre had the same problem
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Post by: SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on March 16, 2014, 19:25
What I'm saying about Tutu Calugi is true look at all videos of Wenge Musica from 1993 and 1994, it was very difficult for him to be an atalaku in the beginging, himself did also revealed it in an interview 5 years ago. He became great after the release of Anges Adorables.....
Just like what happens now, you don't just join a Congolese band and get the number one spot, you play second fiddle to the person that has been with the band all along. Tutu was never an ataluku but the fact that they sent him to the ataluku section means he proved to them that he can do as an ataluku as well and 2 years later then unleashed him on the album Pentagone and as archos has said it was a turning point because Tutu changed the style of animation, in the end it was Roberto playing second fiddle until he lost his voice due to a throat problem and effectively retired and has never come back.
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 17, 2014, 06:18
One thing in common here is that all leaders are selfish but another thing coming out is that the strength of Extra Musica was with Roga and if I may repeat what I said earlier is that Roga knew the weakness of his colleagues and used it to his advantage and sent them parking. Depending with how Roga replaced his colleagues, to me he is a genius because he managed to replace them even more perfectly. If you look at RAv4, Kassumbalessa,Dido and Juventus all are excellent singers far much better than some of the original members. At first my wife asked me if Dido was Dodou's younger brother,perfect replacement of Dodou.
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Post by: archos on March 17, 2014, 09:31
yeah dido sounds and even looks like copa when he was in extra(when he did not have that " leader weight" LOL)
espe bass also deserves credit for that team he was the one prospecting in brazzaville quarters and brought most of them to roga,only juventus  arrived during a public test and was picked by roga himself
i think espe and ramatoulaye are still in extra because they cooperate with roga well and are not a threat to his authority
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Post by: Ken Bilele on March 17, 2014, 10:46
archos so Dido left Roga?
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Post by: archos on March 17, 2014, 10:52
no,he still with roga,the whole team of sorcelerie kindoki is still there,apart that espe bass has some freedom outside the group
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Post by: Tunutu on March 17, 2014, 12:27
Tutu Calugi had really diffculty to adampt himself as an atalaku in the beginning, he was really a 'faux animateur' maybe that's also the reason that he didn't participate in the album Anges Adorables.
As archos has rightly said, Yombo Lumbu Tutu Kaludji joined Wenge Musica as a tenorist seeking to replace Manda Chante but it was Aimelia who was picked to replace Manda Chante. Tutu has another talent and it was animation so he was sent to the animation section just like they did to Ferre Gola. Tutu was unleashed on the album Pentagone and remember Ferre Gola has also claimed he helped compose the animation for the album Pentagone which came after Alain Makaba's Pile Ou Face.  Tutu Kaludji was not a faux animateur, he was perfect and completely changed the animation style. All top atalukus give maximum respect to Tutu for introducing the tenor singing type of animation, even top falsetto atalukus like Bill Clinton,Gessac and others highly rate Tutu and say he was a pioneer and after his error, it is them.

I am suprise to learn that Titina did animation on Pile au face, he sounded like Caludgi, when Wenge Musica came to Tanzania in 1996 Ferre and Roberto were the atalaku, by that time Roberto was still a lead animator and people were crazy when he was rapping. They came back in 1997 with Tutu Caludgi and Alain Makaba who was not present in their first tour, You could see the effects of the solo Albums, Makaba and Mpiana stole the show. Makaba came on stage  after they have performed some few songs, and people went crazy, Pile Au Face Video was repeatedly aired on Local TV, so he was the most popular among the leaders. Then after the show Werra was  interviewed by a local TV in which he announce his album which would feature Koffi Olomide as an invitee. I wish it could have happened, I am sure Werra Solo album would have been a bomb.

Unlike JB Mpiana who used Wenge Musica musicians and Papa Wemba as the only invited guest on his solo album, Alain Makaba had a completely different plan for his solo album and used mainly outside musicians like Dindo Yogo,King Kester Emeneya and Sam Mangwana. On animation Makaba used Roberto Enkokota the Wenge ataluku then strangely also used drummer Titina Alcapone on animation, we know Alcapone is also multi talented but that was a surprise having him on animation, it is for that even Madilu System also featured him(Alcapone) on animation on one the 1999 album L'eau.
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Post by: mvulusi96 on March 17, 2014, 21:32
Wenge was lucky to having support from Mobutu's children. They they would have many blockades if it wasn't the case, because nobody from the 3th generation did like them, even Emeneya didn't like them in the begin of their succes. Emeneya did even diss them in the song Riva Dimbala, concerts and in a radio show with Bolowa Bonzakwa.
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Post by: archos on March 17, 2014, 21:42
Wenge was lucky to having support from Mobutu's children. They they would have many blockades if it wasn't the case, because nobody from the 3th generation did like them, even Emeneya didn't like them in the begin of their succes. Emeneya did even diss them in the song Riva Dimbala, concerts and in a radio show with Bolowa Bonzakwa.

yeah that's why jb,blaise and werra keep dedicating their mother  almost two decades after mobutu is gone,i am sure they are grateful for how they were supported
imagine if saddam was alive,he could easily have been the one to succeed in a  clan wenge project of concerts years after split
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: mvulusi96 on March 17, 2014, 22:32
Wenge was lucky to having support from Mobutu's children. They they would have many blockades if it wasn't the case, because nobody from the 3th generation did like them, even Emeneya didn't like them in the begin of their succes. Emeneya did even diss them in the song Riva Dimbala, concerts and in a radio show with Bolowa Bonzakwa.

yeah that's why jb,blaise and werra keep dedicating their mother  almost two decades after mobutu is gone,i am sure they are grateful for how they were supported
imagine if saddam was alive,he could easily have been the one to succeed in a  clan wenge project of concerts years after split

Yes I think so.
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: Tunutu on March 18, 2014, 06:24
I am surprised to learn that Titina was the one who animated on Pile Au Face, he sounds like Totou Caludgi, I remember when the album came out, we thought that Makaba had gone Solo, because the album didn't reflect the music we used to hear from Wenge Musica, actually the album engineered the down fall of Wenge, When they came to Tanzania in 1997 Makaba was driven in an open Mercedes Benz, that was because he was the most popular Musician among Wenge by the time due the fact that Pile Au Face was aired constantly on local TV stations, when they were paraded through the streets of Dar es Salaam most of the fans were running to salute Makaba, by then the Congolese Music had taken Tanzania by storm, it was the buzz of the country. That drew a lot of jealous among other leaders. During the concert Makaba took the stage after the band had played some  songs, and he was received by a thunderous applause. After the show Werasson was  interviewed by a local journalist and announce that he will record an album featuring Koffi Olomide to follow the path of Makaba who featured  Kester and JB Mpiana who featured Papa Wemba.
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Post by: archos on March 18, 2014, 11:04
yeah absolutely spot on, koffi even mentioned kibuisa mpimpa in loi,in the song motomolo,him and werra were very close
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Post by: shamala on March 19, 2014, 18:38
I am surprised to learn that Titina was the one who animated on Pile Au Face
am still suprised

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-cvzLCjo8
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: pierrefelix537 on July 05, 2014, 07:52
makaba also participates in the album wake up can anyone tell me what song
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Post by: Roga Roga on May 05, 2015, 18:52
where Abillisi go? Anyone with a photo of regis touba, pinochet thierry, anaurd laguna , cyrill malonga, gildas pozi, emery mbonda and mellon gakana please post on the forums so that i can know them
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: Roga Roga on May 05, 2015, 18:53
where Abillisi go? Anyone with a photo of regis touba, pinochet thierry, anaurd laguna , cyrill malonga, gildas pozi, emery mbonda and mellon gakana please post on the forums so that i can know them
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Post by: Roga Roga on April 02, 2016, 06:37
"the two first guys to play music outside church
were quentin moyascko who had a group in
street in the quarter of talangai and roga roga
who was member of tradi-modern group of roi
bongol le grand mumboshi alongside members
like papy bombé( who we will later know as
papy kakol),jules kibens and so on"

according to your explanation above,it seems that roga, papy kakol and jules kibens were in the same tradional band?? What is the original countries of both musician mentioned above? can you elaborate more about this incident??
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Post by: archos on April 02, 2016, 08:42
kakol is from DRC but went to live with his family in brazza for some time and same for kibens
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Post by: mampenza on April 02, 2016, 17:51
So Papy Kakol he is from Congo Brazzaville?
Wow so they really did that Kindoki thingfor success, wow so shameful
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Post by: Bepari2016 on May 20, 2016, 09:51
Bonjour Archos,
Does the word Mbonda means a percussive instrument known as bongos? I see in this article Ali Mbonda ,...so and so Mbonda as here  in Tanzania I used  to attend concerts of Tanzania based Congolese band FM Academemia in which theere was a bongo beater knowa as Sefu Mbonda
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Post by: archos on May 20, 2016, 09:56
 yes  its percussions,mbonda players are often next to bass players and second atalaku
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Post by: Bepari2016 on May 20, 2016, 10:39
Cool Archos,
In swahili we call them tumba
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Post by: Roga Roga on July 07, 2017, 21:51
makaba also participates in the album wake up can anyone tell me what song
Who was atalaku during mulolo album?
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Post by: Roga Roga on July 07, 2017, 21:55
Please the story writter make a clear info about adolph dominguez  and alain makaba how the became member, also who did atalaku in mulolo (bouger bouger) ? the song of werra and blaise which rejected in first album, can i get in which album?
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Post by: archos on July 07, 2017, 22:34
Animation in mulolo was done by werrason
makaba  arrived at the beginning of the group invited by didier masela,adolphe arrived in 1985 86 following a letter of defao but then went to europe and returned in the early 90's
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Post by: Roga Roga on July 10, 2017, 21:40
1.You mean that Dominguez sent to wenge by Defao??
2.Dodo la rose (by blaise bula) and A moi nicky D (by Werrason) didn't compiled into first album, so in which album these two songs are they available?
3. you mention these songs Laura (by Blaise Bula), Bebe (by Alain Mwanga “zing zong”,)  Kin e bouger I & Ginette (by JB Mpiana), Caserine (by Werrason)  rehearsed by wenge before Mulolo album, did they put in any album??
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Post by: archos on July 10, 2017, 22:07
 Yes dominguez was close to defao and even appeared on tv with him then he wrotter a letter to wenge admins to take him in the group
 it was in the second version of first album
no those songs were not officially released  except the other part of kin e bouger which jb used in no comment schengen
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Post by: mvulusi96 on July 10, 2017, 22:08
1.You mean that Dominguez sent to wenge by Defao??
2.Dodo la rose (by blaise bula) and A moi nicky D (by Werrason) didn't compiled into first album, so in which album these two songs are they available?
3. you mention these songs Laura (by Blaise Bula), Bebe (by Alain Mwanga “zing zong”,)  Kin e bouger I & Ginette (by JB Mpiana), Caserine (by Werrason)  rehearsed by wenge before Mulolo album, did they put in any album??

Yes, he was sent by Defao. Because we was not good engough to sing with him in Choc Stars.Dodo La Rose and A Moi Nicky D were released on the Bouger-Bouger reedition of 1994.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4oqyf5Z6c

Ginette, Kin E Bouger, Laura, Bebe Ake naye & Silvie were recorded in Brazzaville, at the IAD-studio in 1986. But were never released official on Cd

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Fu8vzSskw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdz4DmOwCsA



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Post by: Roga Roga on July 15, 2017, 11:49
1.You mean that Dominguez sent to wenge by Defao??
2.Dodo la rose (by blaise bula) and A moi nicky D (by Werrason) didn't compiled into first album, so in which album these two songs are they available?
3. you mention these songs Laura (by Blaise Bula), Bebe (by Alain Mwanga “zing zong”,)  Kin e bouger I & Ginette (by JB Mpiana), Caserine (by Werrason)  rehearsed by wenge before Mulolo album, did they put in any album??

Yes, he was sent by Defao. Because we was not good engough to sing with him in Choc Stars.Dodo La Rose and A Moi Nicky D were released on the Bouger-Bouger reedition of 1994.

So could you mention the names of those four songs compiled in first album of wenge (mulolo). But also from this story it seems that Wenge made two European tour at the early 1990's, please make a clear elaboration what happened on both tour ( the first which some member fail to enter in europe because of fake documents and second during the preparation of Kin e bouge album)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4oqyf5Z6c

Ginette, Kin E Bouger, Laura, Bebe Ake naye & Silvie were recorded in Brazzaville, at the IAD-studio in 1986. But were never released official on Cd

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Fu8vzSskw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdz4DmOwCsA
Title: Re: THE STORIES OF WENGE MUSICA 4X4 AND EXTRA MUSICA
Post by: Roga Roga on July 15, 2017, 12:23
So could you mention the names of those four songs compiled in first album of wenge (mulolo). But also from this story it seems that Wenge made two European tour at the early 1990's, please make a clear elaboration what happened on both tour ( the first which some member fail to enter in europe because of fake documents and second during the preparation of Kin e bouge album)