Author Topic: This version of Danger de Mort sounds different  (Read 610 times)

Mfumu Vata on: May 31, 2023, 20:10

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This version of Danger de Mort that the guy is dancing on sounds different. apart the part that the guy modified himself by talking on koffi's space (00:26 min to 00:34), you will hear no mabanga. The drum sounds different, the bass being stronger and the lead guitar having that steinbeiger-sound. The keyboards not really being audible. It seems that its the final version just before the mix. I wonder if its also not the version that got leaked on internet a few weeks before Danger de Mort's release.



From 3:56 min you can hear Apocalyps animating on Brigade's space by animating on that part "betu tu kwendila ba tata ba maman kuna Camp Luka". But that part getting erased and Koffi talking on that part in the final version "aaaah systeme eza ya 4/4 bien basé sur endurance, veut dire keba na but ya prolongation nde". Also the part where Apocalyps screams Tshouba along with Brigade to end it by screaming "elengi eeh"

archos #1 on: May 31, 2023, 20:35

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and montana at the start instead of koffi aswell,this version is so better
The drums sound like titina's "real sound" which he kind of lost in latino
this reminds me of the early ndombolhino,bjone,late astone days
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Mfumu Vata #2 on: May 31, 2023, 20:40

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Oh was it Montana ? I thought that it was the guy himself hahahaha.

Sometimes I regret to not have saved those pre-versions that Ndombohino, Bjone and co used to post on their skyrock-pages. Ba archives ekenda boye. The way people and staffmembers were mad about generiques and songs getting leaked while most of times it were the leaders themselves doing it to test the temperature

Wenge1995 #3 on: May 31, 2023, 22:39

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This version of Danger de Mort that the guy is dancing on sounds different. apart the part that the guy modified himself by talking on koffi's space (00:26 min to 00:34), you will hear no mabanga. The drum sounds different, the bass being stronger and the lead guitar having that steinbeiger-sound. The keyboards not really being audible. It seems that its the final version just before the mix. I wonder if its also not the version that got leaked on internet a few weeks before Danger de Mort's release.



From 3:56 min you can hear Apocalyps animating on Brigade's space by animating on that part "betu tu kwendila ba tata ba maman kuna Camp Luka". But that part getting erased and Koffi talking on that part in the final version "aaaah systeme eza ya 4/4 bien basé sur endurance, veut dire keba na but ya prolongation nde". Also the part where Apocalyps screams Tshouba along with Brigade to end it by screaming "elengi eeh"

Did they not have enough time to prepare the generique, because there's a lot of starts and stops. Fally Tyson doesn't play the sebene as long as he does with previous albums. There's a lot of breaks to the rhythm guitars.

There's only two sebene songs on Danger de Mort, Titina's song and Felly Tyson (which we know was modified when they toured in Europe).

Mfumu Vata #4 on: May 31, 2023, 22:58

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They had alot of time to prepare the generique. The album came out in octobre 2006 but Danger de Mort is an album was prepared and recorded in 2005, in reality already finished for months.

They probably tried to come with something different compared to the generiques they did in the past. Btw its from this era that atalaku's started to impose guitarists how to play and to do the generiques instead of the guitarist coming with a whole melody and the atalaku putting his cri's above it. You will notice that many generiques that came after 2006 had alot of stops in it. It's also the era where each atalaku came with his own generique and it getting melted in one instead of working as a team together.

Koffi was a little bit lucky. The generique could have flopped if there was one more stop.

CM PRINCE #5 on: June 01, 2023, 01:02

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This version is better but the constant stops piss me off.

Mfumu Vata #6 on: June 01, 2023, 02:42

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Why is that guy who’s a big Werra fanatic on you “petit na nga Takani Koki” or something like that not a member ? He would comment here that Titina copied Kakol and then a big debate going on hahahaha

Manzambi94 #7 on: June 01, 2023, 06:54

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This version of Danger de Mort that the guy is dancing on sounds different. apart the part that the guy modified himself by talking on koffi's space (00:26 min to 00:34), you will hear no mabanga. The drum sounds different, the bass being stronger and the lead guitar having that steinbeiger-sound. The keyboards not really being audible. It seems that its the final version just before the mix. I wonder if its also not the version that got leaked on internet a few weeks before Danger de Mort's release.



From 3:56 min you can hear Apocalyps animating on Brigade's space by animating on that part "betu tu kwendila ba tata ba maman kuna Camp Luka". But that part getting erased and Koffi talking on that part in the final version "aaaah systeme eza ya 4/4 bien basé sur endurance, veut dire keba na but ya prolongation nde". Also the part where Apocalyps screams Tshouba along with Brigade to end it by screaming "elengi eeh"
There us something about "street versions" of generiques which just adds something different tbh, the sound is way better way louder and the voice feel so authentic.

For people wondering about the street version I mean like this songs








With that said what about Kisanola? Because I have heard the crie first from Roi David in temoignage presented in the Fikin Concert



But then I hear Apocalypse and Brigade singing it so why was the one singing it first? Was for this that Werrason became mad at other leaders for "stealing" his cries, saying that everyone should come with his crie?

Mfumu Vata #8 on: June 01, 2023, 15:08

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I dont remember anymore about who being the first to animate the cri Kisanola between Quartier Latin and Maison Mère. To make a conclusion about that, I need to re-watch Quartier Latin’s FIKIN 2005 first, but the concert is sadly not on youtube anymore. But I think its Quartier Latin, because they already were already dancing the dance of moving the knees and shoulders in concerts way before Maison Mère but not that of hands behind the head. Maison Mere spent months abroad at that time. The concerts they did at FIKIN were one of their first in Kinshasa after coming freshly back from Europe. After missing Stade des Martyrs, they did one vip-concert at GHK, the following week they went to Kikwit and the third week being those double FIKIN-confrontations against Koffi and JB Mpiana.


Neither Quartier Latin nor Maison Mere are the creators of the cri and dance. It has actually his origins from a street-band of Ngiri-Ngiri. Some of their cris were animating by Apocalyps in Danger de Mort like for example “sans mochoro kidiba”. which also animated by one of Alain Mpela’s atalaku in Mortel Combat who actually comes from Ngiri-Ngiri.  I was surprised when Mosaka’s brother Mavuzi claimed to be the creator of the cri-Kisanola (sometimes I doubt his declarations on youtube, because he gives the impression to claim all successful cri’s even ndombolo and co). The first known band to animate Kisanola in concerts were Les Samourais of Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton ended up by animating the original Kisanola-cri in Kizoba-zoba. But it didn’t had the same impact like that of QL & WMM.


from 6:25 min


The stuff of Werrason being mad about other bands quickly animating their cri’s started waaaaaay before. Already in the time of Force d’Intervention to give people the impression that Bill Clinton was creating all cri’s that Tutu Kaluji was animating. Both guys singing “bango ma mesana koyiba”, “biso tobanda makambo ya tshiluba”, etc. But it became serious from Kibuisa Mpimpa and them wanting to have patent on all cri’s and dance they were animating. Bill Clinton shouting <toza na systeme ya “le corbeau et le renard”. Toboyi kofungola monoko sinon te boko yiba> and Werrason always saying when Baby would dance Koyimbi-ko “bayiba koyimbi-ko kasi babosana loketo” to through shots at QL who danced the first version of Koyimbi-ko that WMM used to dance in the Effrakata-clips. In same Werrason explaining to fanatics in open-air Skol concerts of Kinshasa “we sadly discoverd that other bands started to dance Koyimbi-ko without thanking us” to refer to QL, in V12-clips they danced Kibinda Nkoy and thanked them in the credits and Werrason probably wanted to see the same thing. From the moment they modified the dance a little bit by adding more waist. In the following months they would throw shots at Koffi and Kerozene, them also claiming that they were copying their cheography. Bill openly disrespecting Koffi for his haircut and attacking Kerozene. Werrason keeping saying “balobi moninga a tricher moninga te hein” which also ended up getting recorded in A La Que Leu Leu. After that you had also clashes with fanatics. Them claiming that Koffi copied their double Zenith intro in the bonus/videoclip “No Touch a Ling” which was a tribute to Michael Jackson. In the post-Les Marquis, Werrason would sometimes say in Kinshasa concerts that were aired live on tv-channels like Mirador, about atalaku’s to be careful to not animate the full cri because one band (Quartier Latin) being there to quickly copy it and animate in their album while them being the first. On the other side they were right, because it happened often in the past that Koffi quickly adopted the cri and/or dance that were done in Wenge 4x4, Maison Mère and Victoria Eleison  to use it in his album. Emeneya already attacked Koffi multiple times for doing that