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BrazzaBoy on: November 29, 2018, 10:43

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Is V12 Koffi’s best album of all times?

Congolitude #1 on: November 29, 2018, 12:05

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If i'm not mistaken, for most Koffi fans, its considered his best album and his most worked album with Loi and Effrakata

Grandpretre #2 on: November 29, 2018, 12:16

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Objectively it his best
Subjectively I prefere Effrakata
V12 9.8/10
Effrakata 9.9/10
Loi 9.5/10

Werrasonique de Zimbabwe #3 on: November 29, 2018, 14:29

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V12 is a pure classic. I never tire of listening and dancing to it. Effrakata comes to me as a distant second cause sometimes I tire of listening to Bebe Kero shouting & that is something I never do with V12.......stand out for on V12 is Rocky Blanchard with his bass and the vocals....all on point. To me v12 is a winner by a country mile.

mvulusi96 #4 on: November 29, 2018, 16:18

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V12 "album des albums". I remember Koffi often saying before releasing his solo albums "This album will not be like V12. I'm not perfect, I'm a human but I think that you will be happy with the album".

Paysan Congolais #5 on: November 29, 2018, 17:16

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V12 is a pure masterpiece.

It was a perfect follow up to Noblesse Oblige. Koffi never reached that level again in his career.

Koffi was in his prime in the first half of the 90's.

archos #6 on: November 29, 2018, 17:47

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 put loi generique plus V 12 and you have an album listenable even next century

CM PRINCE #7 on: November 29, 2018, 17:59

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put loi generique plus V 12 and you have an album listenable even next century
I think if you put the loi generique the rhumbas and chorus of V12 and the sebene of effrakata and the team of effrakata then that'll be the best ever album

Manzambi94 #8 on: November 29, 2018, 18:35

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I think Loi is the best generique and album ever, everyone knows it regardless of time.
To me the best Koffi's album is
1. Loi 10/10
2. V12 10/10 Loi generique makes Loi better than V12
3. Effrakata 9.5/10 because I think Generation Bercy came only with 2:20 min of pure fire and songs like Suivez Le Guide or the Fally song weren't at the height of the album

mvulusi96 #9 on: November 29, 2018, 20:03

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The thing which saved Loi are just the sebenes and the generique. The songs aren't better than V12, Noblesse Oblige and the albums before that. Looks like he started to lose inspiration in the way of composing songs or maybe it was because the way he was busy with touring and the problems he started to get in his private life and wars against his collegues.The songs weren't bad, but not on level of Les Prissoniers Dorment, V12, Elle et Moi and Henriquet. The only songs who stood out were in my opinion Phaseur and S.O.S. (remix version). I think that Koffi wanted to repair that fault by making songs who touch deeper (Sans Anesthesie, Non Assistance, Kamutshima and Boda Bodack). That's also why I prefer Attentat above Loi, but people were more focused on his reactions against Papa Wemba and the new singers of Quartier Latin (Soleil, Fally, Lola, Spino,etc.). Btw I found those sebenes on Attentat better than Loi. One of the differences between Attentat and Loi is that many songs in Loi were arranged by Maika Munan (Iteneraire and Manou for example) trying to bring that style of Mbabula back while on Attentat he gave Philphe Guez the full direction.




The thing which i found special about V12 was that Koffi recorded the album just with 4 singers (Eric Tutsi, Babia Ndonga, Modogo and Suzuki). Also Fouta Djallon came like a standard of all songs he recorded after that (Sans Anesthesie, Airways, Pomme Verte, Sivili, etc.) and the rumba-songs of the 5th generation. The same with Andrada where he introduced the tradinational Zebola-style which we heard later in many other songs like Micko. Credit to Beniko Popolipo "Zero Faute", Philiphe Guez and Rocky Blanchard who were the brain of that album. Popolipo also played bass on some songs. On Aspirine he played the bass-line of the song Ngungi who was sung by Franco and Tabu Ley. He was also the brain behind the rhythm of Parking Ya Baba (which Guez then played on the keyboards).




I think that adding sebenes of Effrakata would mess V12 up lol and its too aggressive for that album. V12 c'est la classe. Imagine having a smooth song like Etat Civil with then suddenly the sebene of Gilba hahahaha. The chorus-squad of Effrakata was horrible, but the studio-sessions made look it excellent. During that era Koffi was looking for a good tenorist to cover that but guys Soleil, Gypson and Fally weren't accepting those people in their band, fearing their positions in the band and were giving those guys a hard time. Listen to the chorus of Quartier Latin from 2000 until 2004 and you will see how horrible it was to hear Lola Muana and Gypson messing the chorus up. I think that they  put the mics of both guys on low when they performed at Bercy and that of Eric Tutsi and Mustapha on high. On Zenith 2001 the chorus didn't even have cohesion. The squad of Babia, Eric, Suzuki and Modogo was excellent and far better, I'm still looking for their concert at LSC in 1995 before the recordings of V12. If you hear their chorus you will think that you are in heaven adding Willy Bula and Sam Tshintu makes you going to another planet. To bad that Koffi lost the recording-files of the Ultimatum version of 1996 recorded in Kenya which had Babia Ndonga, Suzuki, Modogo, Willy, Sam and Eric Tutsi as singers .

Listen to this chorus. R.I.P. Babia Ndonga, Koffi was right by naming him "La Voix du Siecle".  I remember that Koffi wanted to take Babia to Europe to add his voice on the chorus of Loi when he returned to Quartier Latin. But he was changed his mind, thinking that he would ran away after missing the '97-tour which made him join Anti Choc. With Koffi then only taking Pathy, Champion, Felly, Lebou, Do Akongo, Dolce and Mboshi to correct the sebenes and adding some new animations to counter Feux de l'Amour.





SLK97 #10 on: November 29, 2018, 22:10

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Why yes, I'm listening to Bambino right now. In my opinion, Philippe Guez's arrangements actually complimented the album's lyrics.

Grandpretre #11 on: November 29, 2018, 23:45

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So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

BrazzaBoy #12 on: November 30, 2018, 02:30

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So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

I cant call LOI a classic because if you take away the generique and Micko that album is flat for the most part. The only thing that saved it was that it was the first album where all the videos were perfect, all the locations were chosen perfectly the choregraphies, the outfits everything about the LOI VHS was perfect. Its the one that started the trend I think.


But as far as music and calling the actual music in its entirety  a masterpiece I cant put it with V12 or some of the earlier ones. Personally Magie is a classic to me so i’d go with V12 and Magie. But no to me LOI without that sebene is not even close to classic.

It just marked everybody’s spirit because it was all orchastrated very well, but in hindsight looking back, we dont listen to much of those cuts from that album. Maybe Phaseur and SOS like bro said but thats it.

CM PRINCE #13 on: November 30, 2018, 02:57

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So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

I cant call LOI a classic because if you take away the generique and Micko that album is flat for the most part. The only thing that saved it was that it was the first album where all the videos were perfect, all the locations were chosen perfectly the choregraphies, the outfits everything about the LOI VHS was perfect. Its the one that started the trend I think.


But as far as music and calling the actual music in its entirety  a masterpiece I cant put it with V12 or some of the earlier ones. Personally Magie is a classic to me so i’d go with V12 and Magie. But no to me LOI without that sebene is not even close to classic.

It just marked everybody’s spirit because it was all orchastrated very well, but in hindsight looking back, we dont listen to much of those cuts from that album. Maybe Phaseur and SOS like bro said but thats it.
Not a classic?????? Tchip That's not true it's easy to say that now.... when loi came out all the songs were on repeat me people still play songs off that album now so how can you call it flat? It had songs like airways, Vicky, papito charme, mokuwa, motomolo on replay. A lot of people still listen to that album and its aged well so how can you say people don't listen to songs off that album

BrazzaBoy #14 on: November 30, 2018, 03:35

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So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

I cant call LOI a classic because if you take away the generique and Micko that album is flat for the most part. The only thing that saved it was that it was the first album where all the videos were perfect, all the locations were chosen perfectly the choregraphies, the outfits everything about the LOI VHS was perfect. Its the one that started the trend I think.


But as far as music and calling the actual music in its entirety  a masterpiece I cant put it with V12 or some of the earlier ones. Personally Magie is a classic to me so i’d go with V12 and Magie. But no to me LOI without that sebene is not even close to classic.

It just marked everybody’s spirit because it was all orchastrated very well, but in hindsight looking back, we dont listen to much of those cuts from that album. Maybe Phaseur and SOS like bro said but thats it.
Not a classic?????? Tchip That's not true it's easy to say that now.... when loi came out all the songs were on repeat me people still play songs off that album now so how can you call it flat? It had songs like airways, Vicky, papito charme, mokuwa, motomolo on replay. A lot of people still listen to that album and its aged well so how can you say people don't listen to songs off that album


Yeah bro when he brought it up it made me wanna listen to it again and I been listeneing for the past hour and havent skipped a song. I dont know why for some reason I had tried to watch the videos like a year ago and go bored but now just now listening to it im like damn. Shit is a classic. Hands down. I take that back lol