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Mukulu on: March 28, 2020, 14:43

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I just realized that this cri of the introduction is not from mboshi (song micko) but from calugi

Mfumu Vata #1 on: March 28, 2020, 16:34

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Yes, Caludji animated it first. But its not that he created that cri. The origins of that cri are from a tradition Kikongo song. The song was already sung in the 50s  by Manuel d'Oliveira who was an Angolan singer living in Dr Congo, who used mostly to sing his songs in Kikongo. Manuel d'Oliveira is btw Felix Manuaku's grandfather.

Caludji took it surely from a folkoric Bakongo (Bantadu) group from Ngiri Ngiri or it could be that one of his guys took it from those folkloric groups in Bumbu or Selembao, who have plenty folkoric groups who singing in the Kintandu dialect of Kikongo. Since that those who used to live in villages close to Kinshasa, Kasangulu and Madimba went to migrate to Selembao, Makala and Bumbu.

 

Mfumu Vata #2 on: March 28, 2020, 16:46

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If you look wel most cries from the 80s, 90s and 2000s aren't even created by them.

Zaiko took for example many cries from Angolan Bakongo (Bazombo) folkloric groups of N'djili and Kimbanseke and many from Bantandu groups.



for example this one, that Nyoka likes to animate often. (from 3:54 min)



from 4:10 min





Mukulu #3 on: March 28, 2020, 17:24

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thanks for these examples, i will listen to that right away

where does koyimbiko come from? 
Because i heard pépé kalle or other sas singing this... i don’t remember


I already heard Grand Zaiko wawa was singing this famous Celeo’s cri



I know Celeo is a huge fan of Zaiko

Drumstar98 #4 on: March 28, 2020, 18:24

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Talking about Zaïko does anyone know what Nyoka Longo was singing about at 7:00?

Pabloone71 #5 on: March 28, 2020, 18:30

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Talking about Zaïko does anyone know what Nyoka Longo was singing about at 7:00?

no, it must be Jean-Pierre Buse it looks like

Mfumu Vata #6 on: March 28, 2020, 19:13

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thanks for these examples, i will listen to that right away

where does koyimbiko come from? 
Because i heard pépé kalle or other sas singing this... i don’t remember


I already heard Grand Zaiko wawa was singing this famous Celeo’s cri



I know Celeo is a huge fan of Zaiko

lol, looks like I explained it 6 times here. Yimbi is a traditional song of the Kongo, which is apparently about a woman crying about a bird who took his child, crying then that the bird to give her child back. Franco recorded that song in 1958 as his first song in Kikongo (later on he would sing traditional songs like Ma Nkewa and Lombola), but he got arrested because the Belgian people saw it as an attack. Thinking that he was singing about Congo getting her independence back.



The yimbi was often also sung at those Mpeve Ya Longo-chures, when they were exorcing demos out people. In Wemba's Elongi Ya Jesus, they really tried to copy it. Sebaret having the role as pastor and saying in Kikongo that they have to stop with kindoki and sins, and Nouvelle Ecriture singing in the background "look at that Kindoki" and from 4:57 min



That stuff of "mama ehh, mama nzoto na nga", must come from 12 Balles and Isiro 1er of Mbonda Loningana (who were doing the Kiyaka-folklore and created the Swabiwutu-dance and cri that Defao and all other bands used to dance) or Swede Swede of Kintambo one of the two. I don't remember because its already 30 years ago.




Mfumu Vata #7 on: March 28, 2020, 19:16

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Talking about Zaïko does anyone know what Nyoka Longo was singing about at 7:00?

Nyoka Longo was just singing that they have to pray for god.