Author Topic: WENGE MUSICA MAISON MERE 2002 STUDIO SESSION  (Read 638 times)

Manzambi94 on: May 18, 2020, 18:15

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SLK97 #1 on: May 18, 2020, 18:19

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Franco Pepe Kalle #2 on: May 18, 2020, 23:13

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Wow I am surprised that Celeo Scram got a chance to speak considering that Werrason never liked him at all. It is interesting to say the least.

PCGY KASTELLO #3 on: May 19, 2020, 11:01

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Wow I am surprised that Celeo Scram got a chance to speak considering that Werrason never liked him at all. It is interesting to say the least.

I dont think it is true that Werra, didnt like Celeo from the onset. If at all that was the case, i strongly believe he wouldnt have given him the chance to Join or give him the platform and space in albums and concerts. This is a perception people got after seeing that Bill was given more attention and space in albums. Let us not forget that most organisations deal with the concept of hierachy where people are ranked according to status or authority...this was the case in Maison Mere, Bill in terms of hierarchy was up followed by Celeo.......when Bill left that department was left for Celeo and we could all see from the concerts that the Chemistry was there between Celeo and Igwe. What cost Celeo his place in Wmm is the ongoing politics in the band and the fact that he was getting personal connections with Donors hence he was looked at as a traitor against the band and that he becoming big headed. Because for Werra the identity of the Band is what matters more than individuals no matter who you are, that is the philosophy he has a kept for so long. Otherwise, i personally  dont agree with this notion that Werra didnt like Celeo because of his looks, skin colour.
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archos #4 on: May 19, 2020, 11:06

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it was not did not like him but he was not his favourite,like it happens in every band there are talented people who are there and part of starting lineups but that leaders dont feel too much until a certain point,werra started to appreciate properly celeo in the long run for two reasons,celeo was never complaining about salary since he was great in matolo and was making sometimes up to ten times his monthly salary in a day and the bond became bigger when he did not follow les marquis but as you said politics  made it hard for him to stay as he reached  a completely different dimension being even in contention for chef d orchestre  and werra needed clearout to stay with young men who can accept hardship as they are in hunt of making a name

Mfumu Vata #5 on: May 19, 2020, 15:44

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So the original title of Celeo’s track was donneur bénévole ? I heard that Werrason also changed the title of Ferre’s song and Baby Ndombé trowhimg shots about it in an interview 10 years ago for x reasons.

PCGY KASTELLO #6 on: May 19, 2020, 19:33

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it was not did not like him but he was not his favourite,like it happens in every band there are talented people who are there and part of starting lineups but that leaders dont feel too much until a certain point,werra started to appreciate properly celeo in the long run for two reasons,celeo was never complaining about salary since he was great in matolo and was making sometimes up to ten times his monthly salary in a day and the bond became bigger when he did not follow les marquis but as you said politics  made it hard for him to stay as he reached  a completely different dimension being even in contention for chef d orchestre  and werra needed clearout to stay with young men who can accept hardship as they are in hunt of making a name
I totally agree with you

Franco Pepe Kalle #7 on: May 20, 2020, 00:19

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it was not did not like him but he was not his favourite,like it happens in every band there are talented people who are there and part of starting lineups but that leaders dont feel too much until a certain point,werra started to appreciate properly celeo in the long run for two reasons,celeo was never complaining about salary since he was great in matolo and was making sometimes up to ten times his monthly salary in a day and the bond became bigger when he did not follow les marquis but as you said politics  made it hard for him to stay as he reached  a completely different dimension being even in contention for chef d orchestre  and werra needed clearout to stay with young men who can accept hardship as they are in hunt of making a name
So did Werrason think that Celeo Scram would have been too ambitious if Celeo had stayed longer?

Manzambi94 #8 on: May 20, 2020, 00:41

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it was not did not like him but he was not his favourite,like it happens in every band there are talented people who are there and part of starting lineups but that leaders dont feel too much until a certain point,werra started to appreciate properly celeo in the long run for two reasons,celeo was never complaining about salary since he was great in matolo and was making sometimes up to ten times his monthly salary in a day and the bond became bigger when he did not follow les marquis but as you said politics  made it hard for him to stay as he reached  a completely different dimension being even in contention for chef d orchestre  and werra needed clearout to stay with young men who can accept hardship as they are in hunt of making a name

About Celeo one thing I have never understood it was if he got fired because on a rehearsal he got.30 min late like the official site of Werrasom said or he voluntarily left. Knowing how Celeo was treated I think Werra forced him out

archos #9 on: May 20, 2020, 10:57

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bro celeo being forced out was well programmed,in several dates of the tour werra and kakol were making sure to live that city quick before he arrives in bus but they'd always find him back to their central residence and since their plan to force him out was not working they started overpraising brigade and throwing shade at him and during his last concert sankara was openly taunting him then going to brigade and raising his hand  saying he is the best and so on knowing brigade also had suspicion that celeo was dating mimi tshikeva,while mimi and her ex simplice awundu welcomed him in their house when the usual little hotel stay was over in solola bien days and that musicians had to move to people's house to save money for the leader so he became like an uncle to brandon avatar and other mimi kids
and then at some point celeo lost it and left stage to go and beat sankara and was held by security who had it hard to calm him down and werra was typically pretending not to see the scene,then after the concert there was a fight again outside and celeo was so angry that was werra came and insulted him he replied back
so they activated another part of the plan,which was to trick him about return date and they returned to kin earlier than they said to him with his passport,then to say he ran away and let people attack him at la zamba
he still managed to return without his passport but with a paper as if he was deported and started leaving at hotel like artists often do when they return in order to have a limited number of people coming to bother them and he was invited by didi kinuani to ask if he is ready to return to la zamba and he said he had no problem that maison mere was his group,then they influenced didi not to pay his hotel fees like he promised by saying to didi that its him who gave anya star to fally(anya then being a didi sidekick) and to his surprise when he was about to leave hotel to go to his house   he was stopped by hotel guys to pay and  understood that maison mere tricked him on that and paid since he had money himself and he talked again with didi and this time he said he cant return anymore because he foresees things becoming too toxic
and he rejected an approach to join quartier latin  and went to jb's concert and performed a bit and asked or his backline to release a generique which was his original plan with his song egypito which would have been on temps present,then later on he was convinced to do an album

shamala #10 on: May 20, 2020, 11:05

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bro celeo being forced out was well programmed,in several dates of the tour werra and kakol were making sure to live that city quick before he arrives in bus but they'd always find him back to their central residence and since their plan to force him out was not working they started overpraising brigade and throwing shade at him and during his last concert sankara was openly taunting him then going to brigade and raising his hand  saying he is the best and so on knowing brigade also had suspicion that celeo was dating mimi tshikeva,while mimi and her ex simplice awundu welcomed him in their house when the usual little hotel stay was over in solola bien days and that musicians had to move to people's house to save money for the leader so he became like an uncle to brandon avatar and other mimi kids
and then at some point celeo lost it and left stage to go and beat sankara and was held by security who had it hard to calm him down and werra was typically pretending not to see the scene,then after the concert there was a fight again outside and celeo was so angry that was werra came and insulted him he replied back
so they activated another part of the plan,which was to trick him about return date and they returned to kin earlier than they said to him with his passport,then to say he ran away and let people attack him at la zamba
he still managed to return without his passport but with a paper as if he was deported and started leaving at hotel like artists often do when they return in order to have a limited number of people coming to bother them and he was invited by didi kinuani to ask if he is ready to return to la zamba and he said he had no problem that maison mere was his group,then they influenced didi not to pay his hotel fees like he promised by saying to didi that its him who gave anya star to fally(anya then being a didi sidekick) and to his surprise when he was about to leave hotel to go to his house   he was stopped by hotel guys to pay and  understood that maison mere tricked him on that and paid since he had money himself and he talked again with didi and this time he said he cant return anymore because he foresees things becoming too toxic
and he rejected an approach to join quartier latin  and went to jb's concert and performed a bit and asked or his backline to release a generique which was his original plan with his song egypito which would have been on temps present,then later on he was convinced to do an album

Again funny behavior
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Mfumu Vata #11 on: May 20, 2020, 13:17

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I started to hate Werra, when Celeo explained the whole story and the way Sankara, Kakol, Brigade & Heritier started to insult him on the tv. Also the way Werrason humilated J3 at La Zamba Playa.

masatomo #12 on: May 20, 2020, 16:25

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I started to hate Werra, when Celeo explained the whole story and the way Sankara, Kakol, Brigade & Heritier started to insult him on the tv. Also the way Werrason humilated J3 at La Zamba Playa.

What happen with Jitrois ? It was some months after Celeo left I think.

Mfumu Vata #13 on: May 20, 2020, 17:17

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If I remember well, some people of Werra staff invented a false story that J3 met Koffi Olomide and that Koffi offered him money to join Quartier Latin and that he accepted the offer. J3 then went to La Zamba and they humilated him like it was a lawsuite withthose fanatics called "ba parlementaires" went to ask questions on stage, etc. along with Werrason. The following day Jitrois received a suspension, which made Jitrois decide to join Quartier Latin and Koffi welcoming him, from then Jitrois started to attack Maison Mere and Werrason in each interview.


This btw the quick interview Celeo made with Francis Kakonde when Maison Mere abandon him without passeport.


Manzambi94 #14 on: June 30, 2020, 23:28

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he rejected an approach to join quartier latin  and went to jb's concert and performed a bit and asked or his backline to release a generique which was his original plan with his song egypito which would have been on temps present,then later on he was convinced to do an album


Sorry for reopening old post, I think he should have accept Koffi's offer, he could have more.money and start froma better place for a solo career like it happened with Ferre and maybe he wouldn't have all these problems with Fally