Author Topic: WOW LEADERS ARE SO DAMN STINGY  (Read 617 times)

archos on: September 09, 2017, 13:00

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Few hours ago i was watching on tv an analysis of some congolese journalists over congolese music and the bad sides of it  and all of them who are pretty close to artists said that even on Kinshasa concerts leaders take 75 per cent of the contract and in most cases kin concerts rarely go above 10000 dollars and most groups have 40+ employees so its a reason why many musicians are leaving but they also faulted the same musicians of doing worse one guy for example said he has friends in ferre and fally bands and sometimes you'd see them come from zambia or abidjan or elsewhere and those guys will ask you  at airport if you can help them out with 100 dollars as they received nothing but funnily enough those guys once going on tv will boast like they came back with thousands of dollars and if they do not do that they can be neglected by their leaders
and he went on to say the reason fally did not promote libre parcours properly is that his musicians are too media shy whereas in the system which himself went through no matter what happens you have to promote yourself  even if its not to boast,regardless of whether you are getting some money or not so he punished their laziness
and when they are on long europe trips they'd sometimes when they are happy send the odd 60 dollars to 150 to some of their band members when they are not bothered you  cant stay like that until they come back but dont even think about turning up late or missing out  a concert or in some groups there are fines like 50 100 dollars
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Ken Bilele #1 on: September 09, 2017, 15:58

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The height of unprofessionalism!!! Its sad that even Fally and Ferre who should do things differently have followed in the footsteps of the old dictators of the Congolese music.

Manzambi94 #2 on: September 09, 2017, 22:52

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The reason why Nigerians and Ghanaians are making features with Drake and French Montana and in Congo we are still there to act like childish people the way Fabro, Werra , Koffi, Fally and many others do. If you give proper money to your employees creates a better vibe and more quality material will be produced, having a better product people will love your music more and will buy more than the average, they will start to share to talk and from Congowill go on to all Africa, from Africa it will go globally just like Despacito is everywhere right now.

Cavalier Solitaire #3 on: September 10, 2017, 11:30

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The problem is (correct me if am wrong) there is no law that governs the employment of people in the arts industry. So whoever comes along Will be bound to behave the same way as the old leaders. For example if, Artists under Ferre or Fally were formally engaged (contract) there is no way the group would go on tour and everyone apart from the leader is not paid. Music industry is a very big industry and it should not be difficult to organise it like in the western world. I doubt if these musicians even pay any tax on there income. And this problem is everywhere in Africa apart from maybe South Africa. I remember Deplick talking about the problem of non separation of image of a certain group from that of the group leader. It's very sad. In this day and age musicians shud not be at the mercy of donors for rentals and other bills.

Manzambi94 #4 on: September 10, 2017, 13:01

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The problem is (correct me if am wrong) there is no law that governs the employment of people in the arts industry. So whoever comes along Will be bound to behave the same way as the old leaders. For example if, Artists under Ferre or Fally were formally engaged (contract) there is no way the group would go on tour and everyone apart from the leader is not paid. Music industry is a very big industry and it should not be difficult to organise it like in the western world. I doubt if these musicians even pay any tax on there income. And this problem is everywhere in Africa apart from maybe South Africa. I remember Deplick talking about the problem of non separation of image of a certain group from that of the group leader. It's very sad. In this day and age musicians shud not be at the mercy of donors for rentals and other bills.
What I have noticed in South Africa is that white people still owns the big things with big money, and even musicians who get very famous are white, like Die Antwoord who are Afrikaners and in the sports a lot of athletes, soccer players and Tennis stars like the guy who will face Nasal are white it seems like the black people doesn't live there anymore

CM PRINCE #5 on: September 10, 2017, 16:41

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So the generation of fally and ferre do it too? I don't get it ferre should know better since he always mentioned that he wasn't paid in MM and fally used to get paid well if I'm not mistaken and doesn't koffi usually pay his staff well or at least used to cause you rarely hear his former musicians moaning about pay

archos #6 on: September 10, 2017, 16:52

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The generation of fally ferre is even worse,this is part of how(plus the high level matolo and sponsorship) fally ferre and to some extent bill reached serious wealth that quickly
that generation " are making up" for what they could not get with their leaders
fally adopted a system of getting paid just after every concert(but obviously peanuts compared to him ) which is not always respected while koffi after the golden generations goes for text messages you can be a quartier latin member and not receive a text message for months for rehearsals let alone concerts so obviously you wont be paid but if you are lucky to always be texted you'll get it sure and certain


Matebu #7 on: September 10, 2017, 17:06

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My friend used to joke (maybe not) that Werrason was secretly Jewish behind Mama Mapata's back, and that explained why the way he is with paying employees  :D :D

Cavalier Solitaire #8 on: September 10, 2017, 20:37

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The generation of fally ferre is even worse,this is part of how(plus the high level matolo and sponsorship) fally ferre and to some extent bill reached serious wealth that quickly
that generation " are making up" for what they could not get with their leaders
fally adopted a system of getting paid just after every concert(but obviously peanuts compared to him ) which is not always respected while koffi after the golden generations goes for text messages you can be a quartier latin member and not receive a text message for months for rehearsals let alone concerts so obviously you wont be paid but if you are lucky to always be texted you'll get it sure and certain
So to put it plainly all the artists are at the mercy of either donors or the leader who you always have to be in good books with for you to have a certain income per month. No wonder everyone now wants to go solo. Coz clearly it's hard being under someone money wise and that flashy lifestyle that these artists tend to portray.

archos #9 on: September 10, 2017, 20:51

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exactly or even when the leader wants to please the guys sometimes for example in a month by let say spending 20000 on salaries it happens that the favorites hijack it and go buy 100 champagnes or so
congolese music off stage is basically jungle

Toolz #10 on: September 11, 2017, 08:14

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And if to go by the explanations given here, I wouldn't blame anyone for trying to go solo as Cavalier Solitaire has said. You can't be working for someone for years with nothing to show for it while your boss is all over the place flaunting his wealth! Nonsense!
And yet they would want these men to give their best...Human beings wicked o, walahi!!! The desperate ones would be running from one herbalist home to the other just to be the boss' favourite so that they can be getting crumbs from him. Wow!

Cavalier Solitaire #11 on: September 11, 2017, 14:05

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I think the way to go is to have for example a limited number on permanent contract. Say 25, that should include all the department's from atalaku, singers, guitarist, mbonda and drummer player together with the administration. These should be on a fixed salary then add some bonus for each show or tour in that month. That way you won't have people living as destitutes after saving for close to two decades in an orcherstra like is the case now. All it takes is a law... It's time music industry started operating like a corporate entity.... Sad part is we are nowhere near this level.

Manzambi94 #12 on: September 11, 2017, 14:36

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I think the way to go is to have for example a limited number on permanent contract. Say 25, that should include all the department's from atalaku, singers, guitarist, mbonda and drummer player together with the administration. These should be on a fixed salary then add some bonus for each show or tour in that month. That way you won't have people living as destitutes after saving for close to two decades in an orcherstra like is the case now. All it takes is a law... It's time music industry started operating like a corporate entity.... Sad part is we are nowhere near this level.
Laws in Africa are useless, you can make all the laws that you want but it will be not followed by people especially people with money like Werra , JB or Koffi

Cavalier Solitaire #13 on: September 11, 2017, 18:30

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Very sad state of affairs.