Author Topic: YOUNG MUSICIANS RELY TOO MUCH ON THOSE TRADITIONAL/MYSTIC THINGS  (Read 342 times)

archos on: July 19, 2018, 21:06

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he has that thing in his hands which spiritual chiefs use for power,and in another video i cant find again he explained that the chair he is sitting on they went all the way from his village to kinshasa  with a crowd during a  whole week just stopping on the road to sleep  and he showed arrows and other stuff the ancestors gave him
people will laugh hard at time if he flops
he keeps hinting that  he'll have that thunderous crowd success prime marie paul and werra had because he went to get that power
 

Manzambi94 #1 on: July 19, 2018, 22:11

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It is not a problem to be strong on traditional power, the problem is relying on Satan power, you can be proud of forefathers and believe in them anyway, and how much you want, the problem is satanism, the problem is missing respect to our forefathers by sleeping in graves and f***ing death women for 80000 views on YouTube, or waiting to have people to sacrifice for releasing in album.
Their satanism is not taking them anywhere, instead of pushing them further is bringing them down, there is a guy who had a huge success with his two generique and his EP but flopped twice with his lat.east generique, when he had success more than 2 million views he started normal, but when we he has gone to satanism he barely surpassed the 100000 views

mvulusi96 #2 on: July 20, 2018, 02:35

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Who will follow him on the streets ? He doesn't have the charisma Marie Paul had back in the days when he was giving Wenge 4x4 on his own a hard time. Eeeh Marie Paul Roi Pele 1000 buts with his long hair and taking that soccer-ball  with him and then all those people following him in a bizarre way. Mann that was not normal anymore. So crazy how that power ended. Politicians and musicians were using him to fill stadiums and open-air places. Their a moment that concertpromoters didn't knew where to let peform him, because there were always to much people following. Back in 1998 when ADFL organised that "Tokufa pona Congo-meeting" at Stade des Martyrs, the stadium was already filled, but Marie Paul entering made the stadium being filled also on the field, on the moment that Werrason started already dancing on the generique of Intervention Rapide. All Wenge 4x4 musicans can say what Marie Paul did to them during that concert at Nsele back in 1993. Just to say how powerful Marie Paul was. Miel doesn't also have that charisma Le Phenomene had. Le Vieux l'An 200, Mbonge, Nkoy, pffff azo sakana. Don't also forget that Werrason semented a big fanbase during Wenge 4x4 and the time before Intervention Rapide.

Miel doesn't have a big fanbase or a song that had a huge succes before leaving Maison Mere, like Fally, Ferre and co did. That era of people following blindly pastors, traditional wrestlers, politicians and bandleaders who had/have that power is over. A big secret to that is that you have to convince Bana Tshangu, people living in Kisenso, Malueka, Barumbu, Kingabwa, Ngiri-Ngiri, Kasa-Vubu, Lingwala, Ngaba, Matete & Lemba and those dangerous gangs and the shegues, like Marie Paul & Werrason used to do to be more popular then their rivals (Wenge 4x4 & JB) who were more close to the elite. Papa Wemba had also the same tactic, hence why he was like the chief of those shegues, just before Werrason stole him that role. Sam Tshintu started also to  follow that path, by becoming close to those shegues and gangs, but that ngulu-affaire ruined everything. I don't think that Miel can convice those people. We are in the days that people in Kinshasa doesn't pay alot attention on music anymore, like they used to do with them following musicians for free. If you want to succeed easily in the Congolese music-scene, then you have to be close to girls and have them behind you. Ask Nyoka Longo, Koffi Olomide & Lita Bembo and they will explain it.

If that nkisi will work for Miel, then he has to profit from that occassion to release classic albums in those 10 years they gave him. Look at how people forgot Marie Paul, just because he didn't had the chance to release classic-albums and alot of unforgettable songs. He started to do that on the moment when his succes started to end. Werrason also. After Temoinage or let say after Alerte Generale he didn't gave 100% anymore like he used to do when Bill, Ferre were around with him more focusing in promoting the new singers instead of focusing on himself, releasing classic albums and classic songs, while he could have easily step his level as a legend up by releasing every 2 years unforgettle solo-albums, like his collegue Koffi used to do in the 90's and profiting from the succes he had, having masses of people following on the street and Bana Tshangu being behind him. If that concert-ban didn't take place in Europe, then I don't think that Werra's impact would have go down so quickly.
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Jdog #3 on: July 20, 2018, 03:05

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The only spiritual things they need to rely on is their religion if not that then they should work hard and if it doesn't work it then it wasn't meant to be. All that Witchcraft for little success. Witchcraft has never forced me listen to a song or watch a video, so I don't know what they are using it for.

Matebu #4 on: July 20, 2018, 03:50

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Who will follow him on the streets ? He doesn't have the charisma Marie Paul had back in the days when he was giving Wenge 4x4 on his own a hard time. Eeeh Marie Paul Roi Pele 1000 buts with his long hair and taking that soccer-ball  with him and then all those people following him in a bizarre way. Mann that was not normal anymore. So crazy how that power ended. Politicians and musicians were using him to fill stadiums and open-air places. Their a moment that concertpromoters didn't knew where to let peform him, because there were always to much people following. Back in 1998 when ADFL organised that "Tokufa pona Congo-meeting" at Stade des Martyrs, the stadium was already filled, but Marie Paul entering made the stadium being filled also on the field, on the moment that Werrason started already dancing on the generique of Intervention Rapide. All Wenge 4x4 musicans can say what Marie Paul did to them during that concert at Nsele back in 1993. Just to say how powerful Marie Paul was. Miel doesn't also have that charisma Le Phenomene had. Le Vieux l'An 200, Mbonge, Nkoy, pffff azo sakana. Don't also forget that Werrason semented a big fanbase during Wenge 4x4 and the time before Intervention Rapide.

Miel doesn't have a big fanbase or a song that had a huge succes before leaving Maison Mere, like Fally, Ferre and co did. That era of people following blindly pastors, traditional wrestlers, politicians and bandleaders who had/have that power is over. A big secret to that is that you have to convince Bana Tshangu, people living in Kisenso, Malueka, Barumbu, Kingabwa, Ngiri-Ngiri, Kasa-Vubu, Lingwala, Ngaba, Matete & Lemba and those dangerous gangs and the shegues, like Marie Paul & Werrason used to do to be more popular then their rivals (Wenge 4x4 & JB) who were more close to the elite. Papa Wemba had also the same tactic, hence why he was like the chief of those shegues, just before Werrason stole him that role. Sam Tshintu started also to  follow that path, by becoming close to those shegues and gangs, but that ngulu-affaire ruined everything. I don't think that Miel can convice those people. We are in the days that people in Kinshasa doesn't pay alot attention on music anymore, like they used to do with them following musicians for free. If you want to succeed easily in the Congolese music-scene, then you have to be close to girls and have them behind you. Ask Nyoka Longo, Koffi Olomide & Lita Bembo and they will explain it.

If that nkisi will work for Miel, then he has to profit from that occassion to release classic albums in those 10 years they gave him. Look at how people forgot Marie Paul, just because he didn't had the chance to release classic-albums and alot of unforgettable songs. He started to do that on the moment when his succes started to end. Werrason also. After Temoinage or let say after Alerte Generale he didn't gave 100% anymore like he used to do when Bill, Ferre were around with him more focusing in promoting the new singers instead of focusing on himself, releasing classic albums and classic songs, while he could have easily step his level as a legend up by releasing every 2 years unforgettle solo-albums, like his collegue Koffi used to do in the 90's and profiting from the succes he had, having masses of people following on the street and Bana Tshangu being behind him. If that concert-ban didn't take place in Europe, then I don't think that Werra's impact would have go down so quickly.

kiekie, ndeko Mvulusi turning threads into history sessions. Mysticism is the bane of progress in Congolese society, and will seemingly always be, more so (dark/insidiously) than other African cultures.

I love my culture, but our values as a whole are often misguided and shortsighted. From the music & political leaders alll the way down to the chégues
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