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Guys is it me or Bercy is already having an upper hand on live performances? Lets hope Ambulance wont be Lobesomised.......... Bercy has powerful presence he wasn't only told that koffi did the same tune of brepo like cri........  Am sure he was in prison
Bercy is not very strong vocally, his strength is in writing and hitting high notes which can be difficult in studio, and he does that not with his natural voice but forcing it, that thing works in studio but you have ti be one hell of a vocalist to be able to make that live. Ambulance om the other side were directly trained by Djouna so he doesn't imitate Bill like Bercy does and he is more singing with his natural voice which is soft and matches great with high notes guitar licks like he has

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The choreography is a giant mess, but seems like Fabro wants impact over uniformity.

His concert singing voice is quite hard for me to listen to, but at least the crowd is into it and he lets his singers do the lion share of vocals (akin to Werra)
Fabro >>> Werra in vocals
Fabro's funny voice is a result of Franck Lassan an exuberant guy who wasn't very famous in Congolese Music so it is normal that he sings weirdly.and to be honest i like better his weird way of singing than his natural voice




Here is Franck Lassan

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Congolese Music / Re: IT SEEMS CHIKITO HAS LEFT QUARTIER LATIN
« on: August 18, 2018, 23:43 »


apparently he has not left but has been fired,like kirikou and apparently one of the things which lead to this is him leaving a tour or missing a tour to bury his father who passed away in the recent weeks without the group's permission
O.O for real?

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Congolese Music / Re: KARMAPA'S "CALIGULA" HITS A MILLION VIEWS
« on: August 18, 2018, 09:09 »
Looks like he doesn't put effort anymore in promoting his album, while his album is very good and his best album in my opinion after listening it for months. The promotion was already messed up from start with all journalists only asking about Koffi and the song Caligula, while the song has many songs.

Btw Congolese people are difficult people because they want to get everythig for free. Boite Noire and Abacadabra were well received because they uploaded all those songs on youtube the day they released the album, which made alot of people in the diaspora listen to the album for free. But with Congolese artists not uploading those songs on youtube directly but after 6/9 months or a year, made alot of people not listen to album with them also not wanting to buy them in shops or do an effort to listen it on Spotify or Deezer. Only the new generation does that effort and people coming from other countries.
It was Karmapa's fault, Koffi is huge not only in Congo but whole Africa I have had a tunisian girl friend of mine that asked me have you ever heard of a song called Selfie by Koffi O.O I was like whaaaaat? And you see if you diss Koffi with your greatest song ever people will pay you attention but will pay attention only to that song, Karmapa should have made a normal song without dissing Koffi because it is a suicide,  I can understand that he is still mad at Koffi but the past is the past

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Congolese Music / Re: KARMAPA'S "CALIGULA" HITS A MILLION VIEWS
« on: August 18, 2018, 09:02 »
I'm amazed streaming isn't catching well with Congolese. Are they still pirating albums there?
Congo is a total different environment if you confront it with the rest of the world, since the middle classe is very short and the majority of the poulation is pure, people prefer to pirate disc instead of buying them, and the most album buyers are the diaspora from France, Belgium, USA and all the European/White Majority country, another reason why album don't sell much in Congo it is because usually donors are the big buyers a donor take 50, 100, 200, 500 disc and distribute them to the poor guys or to his staff and so on.
With the internet only reaching the 30% of a 78 milion people and with the majority of internet users using internet for different things you can see why streaming is still not taking over in Congo

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It could  have reached the success of Gangnam Style if promoted but I really don't know what is wrong with people, at least in Italy tbis was a well received generique

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Pole Position, I honestly don't know much about Davido let alone other Nigerian and Namibian artists. I don't follow their music. My music interest revolves around DRC, Tanzania & a bit of Kenya.

But again even here in Kenya we have musicians who are known to involve themselves heavily in spiritual stuff. Many of them will vehemently deny it if you ask them but behind the scenes their handlers & friends turned foes will confess of such. And it's not just in music. It's also very common in sports especially football. But nobody openly admits to it. I know it's the same story in the neighboring Tanzania.


I find it very strange that artists would openly admit to practicing satanism & witchcraft & hinging all their success on it & still exist comfortably within their society like. And no, On a personal level it doesn't stop me from listening to their music
At least they sre honest and not hypocritical I mean, I prefer to know who is involved in that and who is not so if I want ti fest with one of them in the future I know where to go

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He seriously looks bad words aren't coming clear voice is wasted, my God

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He says he is the one behind of the 4 Kora Award prize gave to Koffi since one of his crie in the same time Bill was shining gave Koffi and QL the spark needed to be ahead of MM (Benga petit momi crie is the crie he is talking about) you don't need to be jealous of people and the time will come for everybody he knows he will not be the top atalaku forever.
You are calling me petit (clear reference to Ferre or Celeo) not knowing that in music there are no petit, not knowing that I made way more bigger concerts than you, my first concert was the Zenith at Paris, what about yours? In 2001 I was at the Zenith with Koffi as soon as I have finished there was a flight ready to take me to the States, but I necer talk about it because I don't need to boost in TV (to get external validation), speaking about trips  I have missed my first trip because of Celeo but I have let it go, and now he comes in TV and start to say all this nonsense about people? Enough is Enough
he is simply an atalaku and a simple musician like me, we were making a concert against JB and Werra asked him if he had some criesto counterattack BCBG, and came with the crie Lidusu which allows to the fwct that whoever want to fight Werra will be put in a hole by Brigade and Werra got impressed and said right there.
He is asked what is the difference between MM and QL and he said mainly that Q is more of a slow pace movement where Rhumba are prioritized then generiaue amd even though you are making a crie the crie needs to be slow and people must understand what you are saying, whie in MM is mre aggressive and you need to have a certain presence, he adds that I know I am talented but talent without organization and know how ae useless so he is thankful to that school of thought for making him what he is today
He said that the Brigade who were maiing cries in 2000 (QL) and the one who isvmaking cries in 2006/2007 (MM) and the Brigade who is making cries now are three distinct people, he is asked about Heritier and the fact that Heritier still claim he didn't do nothing to Brigade and Brigade avoids the question saying World Cuo were there why aren't we speaking about it? I don't want to go back to that question I will not answer it, if you had a son who has been beagen by somebody or a guy that comes at you, you will always be there to cry and whine about it? We are i tv so let's zap, Ado Yuhe keeps insisting but don't you have problem with people? Brigade said that he doesn't need ti have problem witj peoole and be mad about them he just asks God to make him stop to speak to people and that's it for him, Ado says that he is asking these questions because he heard he has a problem with Celeo and Brigade says that the problem has started way before, he never spoke abkut it since 12 years, he were in MM for 9 years and he has 3 years of solo career., but now enough is enough.
Celeo once when Brigade were singing took the mic off of him to forbid Brigade to sing and Brigade said if you were with Papy Mboma amd Papy Mboma took you the mic off how could you like Papy?
He tried to talk several times to Celeo but even if thimgs seemed fixed he started to keep his jealousy high and he doesn't understand where that jealousy came fro mmm since it is life and everybody has their time to go

The Congolese wants to show off even though he doesn't have anything to show off but if you are a musician and show off withouth accomplishment it is another thing you are not a musician anymore.
Ado Yujhe says that yes Celeo have made songs and famous cries too and Brigade goes riggt at it and asks which one? Which cries? Are tou watching me Ado Yuhe? If I have to make you read the palmares of all the successful cries and shows and events I habe partecipated what you will say? Ado Yuhe answer that he is correct
If we wanna talk serious, I am the guy who always made successful cries, year after year after I have got my spotlight no one has ever even come close to me even to the Atalaku who have started before no one could ever reach the things i was doing, he adds that when they were oitside of the music game thwy were always looking up for Bill be ause he was the number one and not Celeo like in QL Koffi were calling the sir of the animators.
Ado keeps going and says well Celeo has some hit songs and Brigade goes like what songs? And Ado goes like the song with Fally in the fisdt Album (Ado Yuhe doesn't even know the name of the song or the album lol) and Wenze Ya Minzemba with Ferre, and Beigade goes it is over? What more songs? It is done well let's analyze it if I make a song with Fally (being an animator) it means that I want to show off as a real man, and this two songs got success only because Ferre and Fally were on it, that is the only reason and even though I wanted to make a feat with Ferre, Ferre will accept because I know the , I know the money that were droppimg him over alcohol, because we were togheter in the night doing things and Ado Yuhe stops it saying that he will not like this and Brigade answer it is the truth I have never warned him I have just said that since we have had good moments those good moments should remind you that we should respect each other (He was speaking about Celeo npt Ferre here)
And going back to the argument of hit songs, I had only one album in my life and got played everywhere since we are animators what generique of him had the same success? My success shows you how much of professionalism I have in me, Affaire Ya Rando still today makes me money and buy things, Edenda, have you ever heard Edenda? and Ado says even the repetition (reharsal of that song) were successful we don't need to make fights because we don't need that

Singers already have established a level, since they can sing, they can make rumbas, they can make traditional music but with the atalaku instead of being united since they were both in MM Celeo starts to rant why those rant? People don't need that and neither artist do the thing we were speaking with Ferre wasn't involving directly Celeo but why are you going in berween

Ado Yuhe asks about the Koffi rape affaire in France and Brigade says that we are Bantu in some culture you can have a 12 year old to get married with and start having sex with her at 15 to us it is normal we cannot bring the culture of Europeans and make it our own, that is not possible. He have lived with Koffi for 7 months and he knows Koffi and is really unlikeable that he have violed someone, since we are bantu and we have polygamy a lot of girls wants Koffi we don't need to be hypocritical about that, and how come people say Koffi is a bad man when he was letting his dancers live there and it is better to let them live there rather then let the street having the best io f them, he knows that for the Koffi affair in France are the girls behund him who are behind that affaire so, it is hilghy hypocritical that girls that once were cool down to earth to seome like Koffi now forgave where they were and start to have rape allegstions against the mane that saved them.
We are Bantu even though we will be out in the world we cannot loose our original bantu side




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I liked this guy. I hope he'll still get enough space to shine in La Team

That spiritual stuff though....
I am starting to listen to less and less Congolese music lately because honeslty I am getting enough of people praising demons, and sacrificing peoole and singing and bragging about it in the sing, I mean it is disgusting I understand that they come from poor realities but, enough is enough

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Zamunda Fally made a concert in Maroc and got golden and platinum disc in France you have said let's see how many people know Werra internationally and that is what being worldwide international about, I mean why don' you accept that Werra is not tge best leader? I spoke abkut Heritier because Werra with his words said that Heritier is at the same level of Gladys and Exaucee he is my son, and now he doesn't talk to him?
Zamunda to me is unthinkable that a muscian doesn't pay his artist, JB pays, Koffi, pays, Wazekwa pays, Ferre pays, even Heritier pays, and Fally pays musicians even though it is not much in western standars guess who is ome of.the leader who doesn't pay on regular? Werra, believe me if Wenge doesn't make a change all the little grouos like Robinio, Ibrator and so will be more famous then Werra

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He says in short that he doesn't fead Bercy since they connected spiritually thanks to Melchiorre and that people said that he might fear Bercy or that he would have feared him and that he would cry like Lobeso did. He can't fear anybody since he is the Ambulance of all the atalaku, when Bercy came in Wenge he was there to welcome him, and the same in LaTeamWata, but even though he welcomed him and they connected spiritually, he said he will always be number one.
In fact when Bercy came into the concert, he was singing and Bercy tried to slim some crie and Bercy listened and then OK yaya it is good stay there now, because he has total authority in La Team atalaku section

He is a longtime Bercy friend since he is between the one of the artist that were speaking with Bercy through his prison time, but since it is not cool to boss about good things that you have done, he never revealed that because.he thinks that if you do a good actuon you should keep it for yourself.
He doesn't like to scream or make the Bill voice's type since he always makes Sunged or Spoken cries and he want to be remembered as an Atalaku who gives messages and advices for example charge was a crie with a message behind it, he refuses to give an opinion abkut other people's generique since he is focused on 5eme Vitesse the Wata generique coming soon and he assure people that is gonna be special and will stay like his cries stayed in the memory of the people with 7 Jours, adding that other Atalaku will wait for 5eme vitesse since he is the one giving direction to all the Atalakus, he doesn't an Armbrand to know that he is the best (I totally agree with that) he (ironically) says that his only fear his the God's judgement and sicne he has lived 8 years with Djuna Mumbafu, Djuna is the only atalaku that he fesres (This is why he dissed Bill in the first place lol) the interviewer press on the Bill phase and he asks Ambulance if he doesn't fear Bill, Ambulance answer that I respect him because he is a elder but why should I fear him? I respect my Dad because he wss the ine who got me the first shoes, and so on but why should I fear my Dad, if I fear him how could I ask him to buy things? He does music for the fans and as long as the fans are happy he is right, and he is not concerned by other peoole's bands and he left Wenge for good reason and praise Allah (he is a muslim) to stay in La Team Wata forever, he admits that Wenge gave him the strategy, the famous Tik Tak mentality and hiw to be a proper musician and to be aware of your image and all the things that make people speak about you bt his animator phase is totally thanks to Djuna, what he hasn't learned in Wenge is the Code 12, the Code 12 is a Wenge system that he is not interested about it, he claims that Werra is the father of them all but now it is another time and that we can't always mix the past with the present. He says that he never put points in life but always virgul since no man is perfect or sinless. Spirit since they are created by fire are perfect and can do nothing wrong or making sins lol, (this guy) and the interviewer asks it seems like you are a satanic kid and he says I mean they are the spirit who guide me, protect me and predicts how I should move for behaving bad or good, I hold them here and there (Showing the left pocket and the right pocket both empty). Ambulance is a name given by werra since when Werra were saying Angola both Prince and Ambulance were turning around so for differentiate them Werra called them Prince and Ambulance and he close repeating the same sentences that Lobeso said Jeu de Jeu

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I think that JB Mpiana just married Sylvie Mulumba to prove Amida a point. Because he was really hurt by hearing that she started a relationship with Didi Kinuani. With Amida then quickly replying by marrying Didi Kinuani, which made it worser for JB.
How are the situation now are JB and Amida still marries to Sylvie and Didi?

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Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed,

How did they survive all these years if they didn't earn from being Maison Mere members? Some of these arguments are so full of bile and don't really make sense. Why didn't they leave earlier? One way or another they earned from being in Maison Mere & when they felt that they could earn more they left. It definitely was a mutual benefiting relationship.


you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba)

Here we go again with the "Werra can't sing" line. So fresh. Never gets old. SMH Franco was not the best singer of his generation but he made great music that we still enjoy to date. JB Mpiana was one of the best singer & voices in his generation but BCBG has been stuck in a rut for almost a decade. Babia Ndonga was one of the best voices & singers of QLI and indeed DRC but he didn't make much of himself outside QLI. Bro, there's much more to music than the ability to be a flamboyant vocalist.

if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food

LOL. Werra & Maison Mere are still the top guys in Congolese music years and years after those guys left. But you are here still telling yourself that without that group, Werra would be nothing. You forget that it was a group he put together by design and not by accident. he has reassembled his band 3  or 4 times after that


Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.
I've seen fantastic music like Manda's Socrate which barely has 100k views while Fally's Eloko Oyo is headed to 45M views. Youtube views is not the correct benchmark for what is good music or who is a greater artist. Many of these artists with youtube views cannot even pull half a concert hall outside DRC while Werra still attracts crowds wherever he goes.
And if Werra got a "comeback only because of 7 Jours" who should get the credit for that success? Oh wait... Anyone else but not Werra.


I just don't understand the bile against Werra especially in this forum. Werra is not faultless. But he is not the devil people try to paint him here.


Kiadi eh, have you ever read some of the older post? Werra is the stingiest leader and are donors who pay musicians 100% of the time unless musicians ask Werra himself. Everyone knows this even the rocks, it is not normal in my mind for a guy to don't pay the musicians and expect loyalty and respect



For the Franco Werra comparison, wow, are you really comparing Franco and werra? Franco and Tabu Ley are the reason why Congolese music was so much famous abroad not surely Wetra and Franco is waaaay more better to sing then Werra,



For the reassembling band, if he wasn't so stingy and self center no one would have left, reassembling a band it is not a good thing Werra of today is like a 4 to 10 level respect to thw one of Bill, Heritier and etc who was a 10 on 10.

And yes Werra is to credit for the comeback of 7 Jours but that's the only Album who has been relevant since A La Queue Leu Leu the only one, I am not trying to make Werra a bad man, I am a Werrasonik myself, and i follow wenge since the Solola Bien era when i had 7 I have griwn up to his muaic and the Koffi one so I know what I am talking about it, Werra really do not care abkut anything hut himself and his power, howcome he cannot speak to Heritier? After Heritier tried everything to be in good contact wtih him? JB might take even 110 years for an album but everytime he dropps something people will listen, JB really care about his people the only bad in that band is Seguin and his two friends while Wenge level through the time got mediocre which singer can be seen as thw top vocalist in Wenge now? And are you sure Werra get recognized everywhere? Let's make Werra make a worldwide tour and see hiw many noncongolese white, arab, asian, and latino eople show to his concerts. If I criticize Werra it is not because i hate him but because I am a fan and this Wenge will not go anywhere with this system it is normal to change people every year

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These kind of issues require simple reasoning not dwelling on assumptions and speculations driven by envy and jealousy
What envy? And what jealousy? This is a Congolese forum talking about Congolese artist always sharing their music and making unpayed promotion to them, Werra was the most liked Album along with the one of Fabro and Ferre so I don't know what are you speaking about.
Werra should be the one giving reconnaissance to his ex colleagues, because he wasn't paying them first and foremost secondly because they stuck with him even though administration did whole ti keep those 2003 guys unpayed, you work your ass off for a guy who cannot even sing (Werrason can't sing this is why he keeps on that tika bana ba yemba) and got rewarded with Sankara insulting your mom (Ferre) or being forced to making another passport (Celeo) or being replaced without doing nothing (Bill replaced with Roi David) you act like Werra payed them and gave them the best time, if.it.wasn't for.the group Werra with be just a street band sir making songs about food so to me it is senseless say that Celeo was poor and whole that, Ferre, Fabregas, even Robinio make more views, money and album sales now in confront of Werra who got a comeback only bdcause of 7 Jours.

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