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Congolese Music / Re: On the other side of the river
« on: June 05, 2018, 14:27 »
What do you guys think of dj kratos song though

Congolese Music / On the other side of the river
« on: June 05, 2018, 00:15 »
Do people in Kinshasa listen to music from the other side at all? I understand we might be “different” but we share some of the same taste in music so I was curious as to if the youth of Kin listened to coupe decale from brazza as its whats hot right now on our side, although most would think we’re big roga roga fans ;D
Did people from kin listen to Fumba Mwela and L’arraigné at all at their peak or not really? And does the Kin diaspora listen to any of that at weddings in europe/states at all?

Also just wondering what do you guys think of DJ Kratos new song? How would you rate him as atalaku on a scale of 1 to 10? Do you think congolese coupe decale could be the next thing for 243/242 or do you guys think ndombolo will survive, with nigerians going really hard and going craaaazy with their music right now and pretty much almost running laps around us?

Congolese Music / Re: Conflicts in Congo
« on: May 28, 2018, 18:39 »
Its a shame that the disapora are the only ones raising awareness on these issues. Truly. Out if all the 3rd, 4th or 5th generation no one has done even a 3 minute tribute song, thats insane. Tribute songs arent always about pointing the fingers at authorities it could also be a call to peace but... here we are.

Only reason i asked if because I follow cappucino on IG and he released a song named Katanga which I was surprised to see because I’m thinking wow a tribute song to the victims of conflicts? This guy is more mature than his peers looks like. I click on it and its a generique ;D

And I understand its more so Kivu and Kasai going thru it right now but if I remember correctly Katanga had some conflicts as well thats why I scratched my head.

Congolese Music / Conflicts in Congo
« on: May 28, 2018, 15:34 »
Has anyone done any songs pertaining to the conflicts back home? I see a lot of diaspora always raising awareness on the fact but havent seen any songs lately pertaining to the conflicts in Kasai or East congo. Do we have any artists back home that have done songs on those topics in the last few years? And if there are none is it for political reasons or could it be something else?

Isnt that what the combattants were talking about in a way?

How did this guy start being around Wenge? He isnt a musician is he somebody’s cousin or somebody’s childhood friend from Bandal?

If they actually show that part ima be happy. Usually categories like that you find out the winner online but hopefully they broadcast it. They did have a french rap cypher in like 2013 so anything is possible with the BET awards as far as international acts.

It was so weird to me when I heard about Shora Mbemba. It was like listening to every song I’d ever heard because of all the animations that other people had used and made famous. Very weird experience for someone that wasnt familiar with his work. Wonder how come him and Radja Kula didnt become more famous.

Finally some footage of Bana Odeon. Never actually seen what they looked like or what they sounded like but seems as if every atalaku in the sun was formed there from what I always hear.

Under african skies can never be topped I dont think. Unless someone does some deep deep research on the golden years, but I doubt anyone is gonna be able to pull unseen footage from those years. Great documentary and very informative I watched it about 5 years back maybe thats why I missed the Odeon part.

Crazy how you can almost see the future of someone when they’re still child though

Yeah congrats to her, kind of weird Werra didn't go but sent Sankara and Nicodem. I'm sure she would've wanted her Dad.
He’s in Kenya. Making money so his daughters can go to school. Do you know how much school costs for one semester in the states? Ok then.

Congolese Music / Re: FALLY... STOP IT, PLEASE!
« on: May 16, 2018, 14:04 »
At his age, his former boss was making the best music of his career. But this guy is busy stuntin' on social networks and getting gassed up by his fans for the average music he's making.
100% correct, Effrakata was done when Koffi was in his 40s which is Fally's current age, I'm waiting for his upcoming album to judge him musically.
True but both him and ferre haven't produced classics like effrakata, v12, kibuisa, th, feux de l'amour, damnnn I could go on, their music is just average
Can you really say that about Ferre though? He’s been way more consistent than fally in my opinion

Congolese Music / Re: Which movie would you wanna see?
« on: May 12, 2018, 19:43 »
Zaiko !

Zaiko gave the genre too many legends !

Exactly. Thats how I feel. That movie could be epic if it could be a big production and end up on netflix. So many came from the Zaiko school it would be easy to do sequels. But I think a movie until the first split, would be epic in itself.

Franco would be my second choice because there were so many events in his life

Wenge idk if it would be a good movie because there wasnt that many life events in their 4x4 days other than the one guy that died (God bless his soul, forgot his name) and the Saddam Hussein events. And I’m sure members of Wenge wouldnt wanna talk about the Saddam Hussein events or have those events on the big screen.
Maybe if they did a movie on Wenge from Pentagone to the split, with the breakup and the money issues and both leaders having to make new teams more so werra but yeah.

After reflection I would rather see a Werrason movie rather than a Wenge 4x4 movie. A movie from the beginning when it was just him masela and aime bwanga jean bedel. It could include when they recruited Jb mpiana, the split with aile paris, then the dry years, pentagone, the split with BCBG, how he was left for dead, recruitment of Bill and the others all the way until Solola Bien. That would be something.

Ouch ;D waiting to see what the reply will be but holy shit Paysan. Glad im not on the other hsnd of that debate lol it’d be hard to come with a rebuttal to this

He’s in the minority. I don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that he’s only arguing with me but everyone else has come to the same conclusion about the sebene, or the fact that I can tear down every thing he says and he’ll come back with opinions rather than facts. It’s like the GOP defending Donald Trump on TV. It’s no longer worth my time. He can keep the boring rhumbas with no sebene. People like what they like. Where is Adoyo when I need him lol

Lol go ahead then. Im curious to see your rebuttal. I love good debates, and I cant even remember what you guys are arguing but the last one of his messages did have a lot of great logical points.

I personally love both rumbas and sebenes so I dont have a dog in this fight. Just a fan of good healthy debates.

Having white members on a forum does not mean white people listen to our music. I know white people who like pondu but I'll never say that white people like to eat our food. You're turning anecdote into rule. Congolese music was never popular among westerners. The fact that some white people with a big curiosity were interested in our music does not change that. Our music was popular in Congo and Africa. The average african man listened to congolese music. The average westerner did not know about it or did not care about it. This is like saying that Africans listened to Johnny Haliday. It's not true, even though you'll find some Africans who listened to him.

You're putting words in my mouth.  I never said white people as a whole listen and enjoy African music.  My point was, don't think that the music was only listened to in Africa.  Franco's Live in Holland album should be proof. If you check out his set lists when he performed there, all of his songs were danceable with major emphasis on the sebenes.  Franco knew who to cater to. Despite what Tabu Ley said, he too knew who to cater to when he was outside of Africa. White people can't understand songs like Jugement or Mauvais Temps, it does nothing for them because they don't understand Lingala. If the sebene wasn't/isn't important, why is it being copied and duplicated all over Africa? You can hear it in Afro Pop and Coupe Decale.

You're listing songs with sebens, but you can't prove that Franco success came from those seben. If the seben was so important why in most cases the seben part was smaller than the rumba part ? And how many pure seben songs back then ? A lot of songs also did not have seben. You can't prove that seben is what drove people outside of Congo to listen to our music. It's something people always claimed but they can't prove it.

Once again you're putting words in my mouth.  I never said Franco's success came from sebene.  His success came from nkisi (I'm kidding). All jokes aside, you're right, some songs didn't have sebene, but it was rare.  There was a story in another forum told by PC Mpondolo, I think, about Papa Noel wanting to play solo like the guitarists in Zaiko and the other younger bands but Franco told him to keep it simple and it worked.The reason why the sebene was shorter? They all had messages. Those songs were carefully arranged and crafted. You also have to look at the times.  We didn't have CDs or MP3s back then.  Candidat Na Biso Mobutu, is over 20 minutes long and had to be broken up into two sides on an EP.

But I ask you again, why don't we have white people commenting on this forum, compared to 10 years ago? It's because after Sens Interdiet and Droit Chemin, the music changed. Too many of them, some whom I am still friends with to this day, will tell you that the music sounds too R&B and nothing for them to dance to. I let one of them listen to Marlene de Reve by Watanabe and told him to listen for OK Jazz elements and he told me he couldn't get past the R&B. Just out of curiosity, how long have you lived outside of Africa?

Once again, the seben of the 60's is way different from what we call seben today.

You're busy trying to argue with me, but I've been saying this ALL along. The definition is definitely skewed. Fact of the matter is, whether it is a generique or in a rhumba, a sebene is a sebene, no matter how you try to spin it.

You're the one who started talking about white people/europeans. The debate I had with CM Prince was about whether seben was the main thing that attracted people outside of Congo to our music.

When you start talking about congolese music being played outside, we're talking about Africa. That's our field. Our music is not played in Europe. It's not played in mainstream radio; it's not played in mainstream shows on TV. It will appear from time to time when they want something "exotic". Talking about white listeners of our music is basically an anecdote.

You brought Franco's performance in Utrecht, it was a festival, not a concert. The only time you'll see african musicians playing african music in front of huge crowd of white people is in festivals. That's it. Of course, Franco gave them "shake your ass" music. That's the caricatural vision the average casual european listener has when it comes to african music. I'm sure most of these guys in that Utrecht show could not tell you the difference between Franco and Fela Kuti. And when the festival was done, they went back listening to Led Zepelin and Pink Floyd.

When Koffi was at his peak, when he was the biggest african musician, he filled bERcy and the crowd was 90% (maybe more) african. How many time a congolese musician charted in Europe ?

In reality, europeans who really listen to congolese music, the same way africans do, are extremely rare. It's a niche.

So when we're talking about congolese music being played outside, we are talking about Africa. That's it. Talking about white listeners or white commentators is irrelevant.

Ouch ;D waiting to see what the reply will be but holy shit Paysan. Glad im not on the other hsnd of that debate lol it’d be hard to come with a rebuttal to this

Bencurri the youtube legend. I was so happy to see he was part of this forum.

Whats these other forums you guys speak of

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