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World Music / Re: Some great songs by D'Angelo
« on: Today at 05:09 »
Voodoo is such a great album! It's one of my favorites!

Really Love is a great song too from Black Messiah:

Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 19, 2018, 04:36 »
So Fally is Mungala? I'm a bit confused since it was spelled Mangala and I thought most tribes were Mu- singular Ba- plural.

If he is mungala it kinda makes sense why I thought he sounded like Maman Eyenga in KO-KO-KO lol. They speak really deep lingala.

I think I broke the replay button...

I don't know how to feel about this......... ???

Same. Davido & Fally/Ferre i get... this one idk. More for bragging rights i suppose

The thing about this, is that i'm not sure if he's chasing trends of Afrobeat or making pure collabo of fusing the cultures. If he mixes the Afrobeat element and brings some FIRE sebene, I wouldn't be upset.
BUT, if he lowers himself of chasing the AfroBeat trend, then it's going to be a real blow to our music which it's quality is already lowering. Koffi is supposed to be the leader of the trends, and I know when other musicians see this they're going to try to follow suit. We're already in competition with the Nigerians. He's selling himself to them, which pisses me off.

Who's our next Congolese Savior?! Nzambe na ngai!

Same @Grandpretre, when I saw the Alerte Generale cover I felt betrayed. But I was pretty young back then, afterwards I just heard songs here and there rather than a whole album from him. 

1. Kibuisa mpimpa
2. Solola Bien
3. A la queue leu leu

These are the trinity.

 If Solola Bien is Off The Wall (informing DRC and Africa abroad as far as what's to come) then Kibuisa Mpimpa is the Thriller of Werra's catalogue. It's a monster. It's so hard to skip a song on Kibuisa Mpimpa except Nakoyamba Yo.  There should be a thread/capsule on that album alone. Stories of witnessing hearing and witnessing it the day it dropped, the hysteria afterwards. Photos, interviews, concerts, studio sessions. If there is one please point me to it. Then the Dangerous or if there's any Prince fans, Sign Of The Times, A la queue leu leu. The last resort, and the last time we saw the best generation of MM together.

Ugh, still hurts thinking about it. 

Congolese Music / Re: The Rumba Kings
« on: March 10, 2018, 23:44 »
Also Franco is WAAAAAAAY overdue for a feature-film. Franco's charisma, legendary guitar playing skills, partnership with Simaro, protégés/offshoots of OK JAZZ and alliance with Mobutu are all stories that are golden and would gain lots of interest. Someone needs to tell Djo Tunda Wa Munga to direct it, have an amazing soundtrack covered by contemporary Congolese artists and then BAM. A international box office hit.

Congolese Music / Re: The Rumba Kings
« on: March 10, 2018, 23:36 »
I was waiting for someone to make a thread on this! My dad hit me up letting me know about the trailer on FB awhile back. This looks really good.

But uh, my only concern is that if this becomes a big smash..... will the legends get any royalties for their estates? I'm not trying to be a detractor,but stuff like this has to be thought about.

I don't know how to feel about this......... ???

Congolese Music / Re: Classic albums.
« on: March 08, 2018, 21:29 »
You guys liked the emotion album by papa wemba ?

I have a sentimental attachment towards that album, especially with songs like Yolele and Ah Ouais. But as I've grew older it's definitely generic world music. There's no artistic liberty, synergy from the musicians that you would hear in a Viva La Musica album. But the world musicians/audience ate that up and it's his most commercial album to date.

I know someone is going to laugh at me for this but, I would add Stino-Mubi's "Romeo Et Jullitte" to that list. If you take away the very cringeworthy Michael Jackson impersonations lol it's a solid album. Tanya, Romeo et Juliette, Ndosi and Mista are all classic songs. I love the first half of Mista a lot, the guitarist did a beautiful job. And the second half of Odia-bilala goes off.   

Thats a good question I have asked myself often regarding the afro cubans influence. I have wondered how do we know for sure Afro cuban music is from african influences. Not sure if its more the instruments or the rythm that give it an african resemblance. Hopefully one of the more experienced poeople on the forum can make the connection for you young brother.

If you would like to further understand how it evolved into what it is now you would have to take it from the source, take it from the beginning and work your way up. You’d wanna start at the very very beginning with Wendo Kolosoy, Bowane, Joseph Kabasele and work your way up. That should kind of show you how it evolved.

Now with the copying of our music its hard to say because our music is a blend of different sounds from different places in the first place, including west africa. Afrobeat doesnt too much sound like our music but Coupe Decale at the time was a blatant copy. I do however understand your frustration towards our artist leaning more towards afrobeats at times. Times are hard, no concerts in europe, and wanting to target bigger markets are all factors.

Yeah definitely, I've heard Marie Lousie by Wendo but that's about it. But thanks for the other artist's you've reccomended, I think I know Kabasele because of Independence Cha Cha and his influence on Franco& Tabuley.

 I was definitely trying to get to on how different off shoots of genres like Ndombolo, Tcha-Tcho and Sebene came from that Afro-Cuban influence. There's not a lot articles in English about our music from the late 80's to the early 2000's and it's evolution. 

As far as West Africans being influenced by our music, it's just something iv'e heard from family around me, I just wanted to know how. Was it something in structure/arrangement, instruments, etc? How did they copy us and get away with it?

Also, I know it's a male dominated forum but I'm a girl lol.   

That I have already heard is that our music (rumba) does not come from Cuba as we are taught. The Rumba comes from a dance called Kumba, originating from our Bantu ancestors from Central Africa (Kongo empire, Gabon ...) and they imported with them during the slave trade into the tobacco fields. The Cubans will resume our dance by renaming it Rumba.

I put you some articles explaining better than me the origin of our dear rumba:


Thanks for the link!

I've always heard that Rumba made its way back to us from our Ancestors so I'll definitely get reading.

West african influence in the birth of our music ? How ?

When I listen to Wendo & Bowane, Paulo Kamba, Lucie Eyenga, Adou Elenga and others I don't hear that west african influence ?

Are you sure about that ?

I don't think you read my question right, I wanted to know how they were influenced by us, not the other way around. I'm not saying that our music was influenced by West Africans.

So i've been trying to learn as much as I can about our music through this forum as of recently, and I'm so thankful for it.

I've constantly heard about how other countries have been directly influenced and put their different spin on our music growing up, especially with West Africans. I'm not trying to start an all out music war against different countries, but it's curiosity. It bothers me a bit to see some of our artists reducing their artistry to follow the diluted trend of Afrobeat, when we're the trendsetters from what I understand. As well as not widely known for it globally. 

But also how has the influence of Afro-Cuban music evolved into where our music was at it's prime? But technically doesn't Afro Cuban music come from Central Africa?

So back to the main question, whats's the history of the rest of the continent rebranding our music?
 Any specific examples, timelines, stories?

You would think that because he was in both in the Wenge and QL camps he would have learned to make killer generiques and have a HUGE advantage over his rival. :/

I'm still a fan of his voice tho.

Congolese Music / Re: Music of our Parents
« on: March 05, 2018, 20:09 »
My parents grew up in the time of Franco/OK JAZZ and Tabu Ley, Zaiko, Papa Wemba/Viva La Musica. I'm pretty sure when La Vie Est Belle came out in 87' they were in High School.

But growing up being a 90's baby as well, it was mostly a Wenge (MM x BCBG) and Koffi household, but my dad pretty much played a good chunk of everything. I heard Kester, Papa Wemba, Moses Fan Fan, Pepe Kalle, Tabuley.. a lot more.

  I really think Penagone by 4X4 was like a soundtrack for the Congolese community emigrating to the US at the time, like a coming of age and youth culture kinda thing. I was more attached to Werrason Maison Mere more than anything, especially the first generation line up. They almost seemed too good to be true. I played the Solola Bien, Operation Dragon and A queue la Leu leu VHS tapes to death kiekiekie. I'm pretty sure I tuned out BCBG considering I don't remember much about JB. Lots of Makoma, Matou Samuel when my uncle came to the states, I really got into Franco/OK Jazz my 1st year of HS. 

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