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after nicodem i believe its a guy called koffi koffida who has disappeared after this early group time and after ferre at the start you mean young chikito right? or another part?

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Congolese Music / Re: SEGUIN MIGNON MANIATA DRUMMING
« on: December 03, 2023, 17:04 »
in simple words his coordination has always for the past 10 plus years been deemed too slow,people say that unlike most drummers he cant play with his feet hitting correctly both drum pedals at the same time so it makes his play "uncomplete" compared to others
and he is also criticized for not having stamina to start and end sebene on same tempo,which is probably due already from his hand technique of recent years which somebody in comments one of his old videos of years ago described as "like an old man climbing stairs step by step" instead of coordinated "dominating" play like most other drummers
i also believe his stroke affected his play since he is left handed and the stroke weakened his left side,so with the way he plays he looks awkward when he has to play a bit fast
and i believe also his body language and his posture has often gone against him,people like to have the impression that the drummer is in complete control of his area while he gives the impression that instead of setting the tone for other instrumentists to play he just goes through the motion
if you want to have an idea of what i mean look at titina in the legendary zenith,,even confidently dancing while playing drums strong,then look at how seguin just looks "lazy" body language wise and tries to keep it as basic as possible
kakol is the reference of drumming in drc now,because of how dominating and intimidating he is on drums and how he spices up his play while seguin after starting brightly when younger now plays something most of us can do with some training,and no wonder why he is one of the best in playing rumba which is totally at his pace,nobody ever criticizes him on rumba but on sebene,for more than 10 years now a lot of people say the instrumentists are too fast for him there was even a period where people were saying sunda bass was the real drummer of bcbg because he upped his bad sound to cover seguin's lack of power
haha mbokaliya used to roast him hard for that issue that he could not "dominate" the other instruments like it should be

People forget that Seguin was a very good student of Titina, remember Bercy of 2001 with the double drum set up? I remember he really impressed opening songs for Wenge BCBG concert in Abidjan in 1998.

What year would you say the quality of his drumming became noticeably weak?

from 2012 2013 i would say and later his stroke made it worse he also stopped completely working on the fitness side of drumming ,its like in football when players neglect the running physiotherapy cardio and all that only wanting to play with the ball,at some point it will catch you hard
if you look at most the drummers of the big groups now only him and a little bit francesco of villanova are a bit on the relaxed chubby with belly mode,the rest are for most very fit guys and it shows
somebody like cambodge used to train strength by playing with piles of bricks on his thighs to boost his kicking of pedals

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yeah there was an idea that between his album since was going for a 4 5 year gap logic he does a group album,some even had song customers already but the project got abandoned then remodelled later into some musicians getting songs in his albums
nico joined pretty much at the start and arnake come 2 years after when he graduated from music school
the album itself yes but the generiques especially the  number 2 was a big hit

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Congolese Music / Re: SEGUIN MIGNON MANIATA DRUMMING
« on: December 03, 2023, 11:51 »
in simple words his coordination has always for the past 10 plus years been deemed too slow,people say that unlike most drummers he cant play with his feet hitting correctly both drum pedals at the same time so it makes his play "uncomplete" compared to others
and he is also criticized for not having stamina to start and end sebene on same tempo,which is probably due already from his hand technique of recent years which somebody in comments one of his old videos of years ago described as "like an old man climbing stairs step by step" instead of coordinated "dominating" play like most other drummers
i also believe his stroke affected his play since he is left handed and the stroke weakened his left side,so with the way he plays he looks awkward when he has to play a bit fast
and i believe also his body language and his posture has often gone against him,people like to have the impression that the drummer is in complete control of his area while he gives the impression that instead of setting the tone for other instrumentists to play he just goes through the motion
if you want to have an idea of what i mean look at titina in the legendary zenith,,even confidently dancing while playing drums strong,then look at how seguin just looks "lazy" body language wise and tries to keep it as basic as possible
kakol is the reference of drumming in drc now,because of how dominating and intimidating he is on drums and how he spices up his play while seguin after starting brightly when younger now plays something most of us can do with some training,and no wonder why he is one of the best in playing rumba which is totally at his pace,nobody ever criticizes him on rumba but on sebene,for more than 10 years now a lot of people say the instrumentists are too fast for him there was even a period where people were saying sunda bass was the real drummer of bcbg because he upped his bass sound to cover seguin's lack of power
haha mbokaliya used to roast him hard for that issue that he could not "dominate" the other instruments like it should be

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Congolese Music / Re: WMM TESTING A SINGER
« on: December 03, 2023, 11:00 »
fabregas yeah,innoss is counted as the urban guys  along with his forced rival gaz mawete,gaz fabillous,samarino,pson,rj kanierra and co even though his success throws him into the discussion of the rumba guys

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The original version which he was already singing since maison mere
ferre really made a mistake in postponing or rejecting the project of some of us around them of doing a group album in between his ones,some faces in that group could have been what ibrator beckham and but na filet are now(funnily enough but na filet and beckham both were once part of ferre's group)

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lol the same thing that happened with jb and werra is happening,as soon as one enters up and down he's buried,people want rivalry to always be on the same electric pace,regardless of many factors and it has worsened since dicap played at u arena,its like all of a sudden all the positive year ferre had is forgotten because he has to quickly jump into that new challenge

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Congolese Music / Re: WMM TESTING A SINGER
« on: December 02, 2023, 23:58 »
refreshing to see a band member go to a big group,many have ruined themselves via a forced solo career
the old big 3 and the young big 4 are still good enough to welcome musicians

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yeah he does not care about warriors,but he does about fally,possibly because of donors influence who got him into a position where if he does not want to lose some advantages he has to sit on the fence 100 per cent he'll play diplomatic on tv against fally if he did not like something while he will make his thoughts clear even indirectly about ferre
ever since they meet twice in plane and in a restaurant there has been some mind games like will he fully submit to aigle or show his true colors and on his side is not it better to sit on the fence in order to escape a bit the "mediatic bulldozer" fally now has around him which funnily enough consists in more than 90 per cent of people who were around heritier at some point,especially when its release time and he has to secure some "peaceful" promotion

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yes cultura also was doing it a bit with hono and pitshou concorde
maybe thats how somebody like ferre should do,it will motivate his soloists,they seem to have stagnated a lot for years,sebene wise especially,i doubt he'd have gone back to to mopacho like generiques  in the same year if they had interesting solos

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Most of the times now we hardly even get to hear one properly on songs,but here you had boeing and papillon literally doing most of a couple of consecutive albums playing together on songs,i believe adolphe did that aswell when papillon joined tonya tonya and shared with canard but nowadays impossible

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its amazing how wata casually completed a whole year with barely 2 interviews since his martyrs knowing him its not that it humbled him down but he was certainly waiting to finish his album and them come and run his mouth at his two easy targets ferre and fabro 

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and they have that tradition of switching to fally,it started from bercy and chikito back in the days when they first left,vasco, djany pacha at some point until they reconciled ,djanelly recently and so on
its rare that somebody falls out with him and handles it quietly until they sort it out


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https://fb.watch/oG6Z6rkqsN/

kirikou,who passed two tests already to join fvicteam as an atalaku(lol ndombolhino was mocking him for failing then trying hard to win over by doing the jester) and who has been using every given opportunity to attack ferre for months now did this video to complain that on the latino anniversary flyer ferre is in big character like fally(and cindy)
although there is some sense in what he says for how long ferre stayed compared to fally its evident that its done like that to say that like it or not in the history of quartier latin members who have had at least a year in the band ferre and fally are those who went the farthest and also like it or not when we take away our feelings about how cindy disrupted the quartier latin philosophy she is up there if not the third among those who also built something,she's probably in contention with the academia guys about that third spot

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