Due to the muted response to the Dynastie albums, I had assumed that the songs from the album had flopped. However, I am watching a packed venue singing the Dynastie songs heartily during this performance. Has the album been well received or the sing-along is deceiving? And who is the singer who sings twice alongside Ferre?.....I thought I knew all Jet 7 first-team vocalists but seems not, he looks unfamiliar to me!!
Congolese music is where the juice is😂😂😂😂😂I thought Koffi attending Ferre’s concert would be such a positive thing….and now to Koffi, if he attends it is seen as a bad thing, if he fails to attend it’s still a wicked move….what in hell did this guy do to everyone one😂😂😂seems him and the other guy who never does anything right on this forum are doomed in terms of reputation here and in the larger Congolese music fraternity 😂😂
This album has good songs but it seems after not even a week it has already disappeared and lacks impact
Am told it's fourth on iTunes charts in France....
That's big tbh, it is a start
Exactly.......it up there because it is selling quick or is being streamed a lot. In such a short while after its release means it is hitting the right notes in terms of impact...
Hehehehe............I was once taught in my Psychology classes that when you keep repeating something over and over, even in discussions where it is not relevant, you may start doubting it yourself even if it is true!!!!!!!. A truism doesn't need excessive repetition.
SYMPLICITY And Archos, you guys are completely spot on. I however think Archos is more correct. I think the reason why rhumba is more popular than sebene now is because they promote it waay more than they would a sebene/generique song. The rhumba wave feels more forced and artificial, and now the crowd/market has accepted it as the main standard in the genre. This all started because guys like Koffi started to force more rhumba in the albums in the mid 2000s.
SYMPLICITY, I do agree that it may be hard to go back to the generique/seben route, but what if they really tried? What if they took it seriously and released fire? Like Archos said, we haven’t seen a fire generique from Fally since Libre Parcour 2 which was almost 10 years ago. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to try in this landscape. You never know, it could change this current market.
If they really tried, may just upset the current form. In some circumstances a very high quality product forces the market to bend to its will. What makes it difficult is that all fans of the generique/sebene agree they have diluted the quality. If they try hard again, you never know.....
The lady vocalist in La Queen Lina and Adolfo sounds like Lisa the Dancer. I've seen her sing very wonderfully in concerts. Has she overtaken Jack Love in the musical pecking order?
they sing together,i have yet to listen carefully to the whole album but heritier said jack was serving a suspension because she is being too much of a primadonna,she come when she wants and so on so probably she got restricted time here
hahahah.....we are always told never to mix business with pleasure....the lines soon become blurred and they forget that are an employee..
I thought about this the other day and after listening to Heritier’s new Chemin album, I have to say this. I really think guys like Fally or Ferre could save this genre if they really wanted to. If you know me, you know exactly where I’m going with this but hear me out.
Fally and Ferre are the ones that are at the top right now and everybody follows suit. Whatever they do, the rest of the artists and bands follow them. So right now, they both create 1 or 2 generiques, and the rest are rhumbas mostly for their albums. That’s the standard format for the last 20 years almost and albums like Droit Chemin solidified it. By the mid 2010s, it kind of changed a little bit. When Fally released power 001 in 2013. It had like 3 or 4 generiques. Then you saw artists release numerous generiques for their albums and it was a great time during that period. Even guys like werra and Koffi released a good number of generiques and even seben songs in their albums in those years.
By the time Ecole releases in 2018, the format goes back to 1-2 generiques, the rest rhumba. The rest of the genre follows suit and it has been downhill from there. Now here we are today.
Now, Fally or Ferre have the power to change things. They could just aim for their next album to have fully generiques and seben, very little rhumba. Not just plain seben songs. Really strong seben songs, with strong animations and partitions that are on the level of the golden days, and to top it off with a new modern and innovative approach. If they did that, I bet everyone would follow suit too. Guys like werra and Koffi would definitely go back to that format too. Then the genre is saved, and fally or Ferre would truly be the GOATS.
The donors.. yes the donors. I think if fally/ferre really wanted to do a seben album, they could convince the donors. The fact that fally/ferre and the other artist don’t see the value in seben is what led to the donors to believe that as well. Now I know they wouldn’t take this risk because they would rather play it safe, that’s why I’m so disappointed in this generation. They have the power, but they just don’t use it the right way. Time will pass them by and they will lose this opportunity. Just like with the last generation in the late 2000s(werra,Koffi,JB). They don’t have the same power now that they did 20 years ago. The same thing will happen to Fally/Ferre.
Let me know what you guys think. I know I might be ridiculous here but I wanted to throw this out there and hear your thoughts on this.
My two cents....any product that is meant for the market will always obey what the market wants. Supply and demand dynamic. These artists produce what the market wants or they would not make profit/money and be forced to change. So seems the love for generiques among fans on this platform and elsewhere has not translated to a powerful demand dynamic to force supply by artists. Seems rumba is paying them okay and that is the demand they respond to. Lovers of sebene and generiques can all pull together and become donors and force the artists to play albums with 10+ seben and generiques. Without that we will keep having this debate on the keyboard as artists keep churning out 30-song albums with 29 of them being rumbas......
To develop my point further.... I have just taken a YouTube survey of the 'top 3' lates albums. This is what you get;
Artist-Heritier Album-MAMD
Song-Amour Veritable(rumba)-9.5 million views Song-Racouer(rumba)-5.8 million views Song-MAMD(generique)-3.9 million views)
Artist-Fally Album-Formule 7
Song-Mayday(rumba)-34 million views Song-M.H(rumba)-8.7 million views Song- Formule 7(generique)-7.2 million views
Artist-Ferre Album-Dynastie
Song-Marathon(rumba)-5.3 million views Song-Ekoyebana Dedicace(generique)-2.9 million views
From this very small sample it is clear that even if we discount the donor route of revenue, another main stream that is Youtube viewership, rumba songs are appreciated by way more people that seben songs and generiques. If you were Fally or Ferre or Heritier and you are planning on the next album, common sense dictates that you will base your format on the most recent product and its success in the market. Seems rumba bring in more money not jut from donors but also from Youtube viewership. It is a no-brainer that the next album you produce will be more oriented to what is gonna put food on your table more; rumbas. Maybe the noise about generiques is only inside this platform. You go out to the larger market and rumba reigns supreme. And last time we had this generique/sebene versus rumba debate, I gave the example of Kenya where I live and occasionally deejay......It is almost impossible to find clubs with generiques on their menu even for half a night. However almost all leading clubs have a rumba night on rotation with reggae, old skul, amapiano and naija music. On the road what you hear in car stereos(mostly the high end ones hahahah) is rhumba for those who lean to Congolese music. This evidence at least in my part of the world clearly deconstructs the generique/seben hype that suffocates this platform any time a new album comes out!!!!
I thought about this the other day and after listening to Heritier’s new Chemin album, I have to say this. I really think guys like Fally or Ferre could save this genre if they really wanted to. If you know me, you know exactly where I’m going with this but hear me out.
Fally and Ferre are the ones that are at the top right now and everybody follows suit. Whatever they do, the rest of the artists and bands follow them. So right now, they both create 1 or 2 generiques, and the rest are rhumbas mostly for their albums. That’s the standard format for the last 20 years almost and albums like Droit Chemin solidified it. By the mid 2010s, it kind of changed a little bit. When Fally released power 001 in 2013. It had like 3 or 4 generiques. Then you saw artists release numerous generiques for their albums and it was a great time during that period. Even guys like werra and Koffi released a good number of generiques and even seben songs in their albums in those years.
By the time Ecole releases in 2018, the format goes back to 1-2 generiques, the rest rhumba. The rest of the genre follows suit and it has been downhill from there. Now here we are today.
Now, Fally or Ferre have the power to change things. They could just aim for their next album to have fully generiques and seben, very little rhumba. Not just plain seben songs. Really strong seben songs, with strong animations and partitions that are on the level of the golden days, and to top it off with a new modern and innovative approach. If they did that, I bet everyone would follow suit too. Guys like werra and Koffi would definitely go back to that format too. Then the genre is saved, and fally or Ferre would truly be the GOATS.
The donors.. yes the donors. I think if fally/ferre really wanted to do a seben album, they could convince the donors. The fact that fally/ferre and the other artist don’t see the value in seben is what led to the donors to believe that as well. Now I know they wouldn’t take this risk because they would rather play it safe, that’s why I’m so disappointed in this generation. They have the power, but they just don’t use it the right way. Time will pass them by and they will lose this opportunity. Just like with the last generation in the late 2000s(werra,Koffi,JB). They don’t have the same power now that they did 20 years ago. The same thing will happen to Fally/Ferre.
Let me know what you guys think. I know I might be ridiculous here but I wanted to throw this out there and hear your thoughts on this.
My two cents....any product that is meant for the market will always obey what the market wants. Supply and demand dynamic. These artists produce what the market wants or they would not make profit/money and be forced to change. So seems the love for generiques among fans on this platform and elsewhere has not translated to a powerful demand dynamic to force supply by artists. Seems rumba is paying them okay and that is the demand they respond to. Lovers of sebene and generiques can all pull together and become donors and force the artists to play albums with 10+ seben and generiques. Without that we will keep having this debate on the keyboard as artists keep churning out 30-song albums with 29 of them being rumbas......
The lady vocalist in La Queen Lina and Adolfo sounds like Lisa the Dancer. I've seen her sing very wonderfully in concerts. Has she overtaken Jack Love in the musical pecking order?
In the worthy mention category(songs I would listen to more than once but not regularly) 1. Citoyen du monde 2. Irremplacable 3. Vase d'honneur 4. De la Republique 5. Novelas 6. Lelisa nga
Those that I guess appeal to others with a different preference but not for mine and never playing again on my playlist
1. D.L 2. Simba 3. Mayi Mayi 4. Le Baron 5. Makambu ya monde
As for the 2 generiques, quite underwhelming made worse by the fact that I am not as crazy for generiques as the majority so a huge pass on those ones
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