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« on: February 06, 2018, 13:11 »
indeed technically between the elders ofclan wenge et the generation of fally ferre  there is what i call the uno named generation of papa wemba's writers started with koffi who always refused to fit in any of the  generation,desi mbwese,abeba lipordo,wazekwa,karmapa
age wise karmapa is turning 60 this year but popped out when we were at beginning of that wave of fally ferre and co

There is a puzzle with such musicians. Take for example Wazekwa:

He used to write songs for Papa Wemba and Koffi before he started performing. should we call him on 3rd Generation because of his writing or should he be 4th Generation because that is when they started their own careers?

Each generation has a set of musicians that transition from one generation to the next....

« on: February 05, 2018, 16:58 »
1st generation wendo,paulo kamba and co
2nd grand kalle,tabuley franco and co
3 generation zaiko (from wemba bozi nioka longo and co to koffi karmapa wazekwa) plus empire bakuba and co
4 generation wenge,laviniora esthetique and co
5 generation of ex members of wenge offshots and quartier latin and co

the concept of 5th generation came from alain mpela
and people are even already calling a 6th generation which would be deplick and co those who have max 5 years of solo career

Actually Grand Kalle was the first Generation, in fact in the LP that Franco and Tabu Ley sang to Eulogise Kalle, they sang that Grand Kalle is the father of modern Music in Congo. ( the LP with Ngungi, I think).

On the others, you are spot on!
There seems to be a way of handing over the baton from One generation to the other:
Grand Kalle was the band leader from Whence Franco, Tabu Ley and Dr. Nico got their base and inspiration. They then formed the basis of what was to be the second Generation.
From TPOK we had Vercky's Kiamuangana who broke off and started a series of groups on his Editions Veve like Lipua Lipua, Orchestre Kiam, Les Kamale and of course the group Ziko Langa Langa which raised the bar higher. From Zaiko and the clan Langa Langa off-shoots we had the likes of Bozi Boziana, Papa Wemba, Evoloko, e.t.c.

It was Zaiko Langa Langa who gave a platform to Koffi Olomide, and he was later to form the bridge leading to the fourth
Generation prominently dominated by Wenge Musica 4X4. Wenge 4X4 also inspired a host of other groups ( all Musica like Extra Musica, Bilenge Musica) and of course Wenge Musica 4X4 itself broke off into several other off-shoots.

I would say the fifth generation is currently in formation, with Fally, Werre and co the bridge between the fourth and Fifth Generation.


I like the song, the videos isn't that good compared to his other videos.

Was it me or did I see a goat coming to school at the beginning?

Anyway, Good sound and the beat is catching.

« on: January 22, 2018, 13:20 »

Pole Sana!

I read of the incident in the dailies, I hope the Kenyan Government takes up the matter with the Government of South Sudan.
The last time we had such an incident it took four years for the Kenyans to be released and even then after a lot of intense pressure both on social Media and Local media and personalities.

I Pray for his safe return home...

Congolese Music / Re: Nice acoustic piece from 1993
« on: January 16, 2018, 17:30 »

Nolstagic tune.

There is something about the acoustic guitar and a good tune.....

I’m shocked it’s this low... this means lots of African artists are making peanuts. Well if they’re even making anything, with all the dead production houses that came back to make streaming money. Now I really see why concerts and tours are vital

You are right Matebu.

For a musician, the only profitable revenue stream is live shows. At least with that the musician can get to negotiate a rate for appearance, get paid a serious deposit to mobilise and a  balance after the show.

With the current ease of pirating and casual copying of music, I am surprised if artists are depending on these revenue streams. Unless a song goes very seriously viral ( talking millions of views) there is not much to be made especially a group like the typical African group which has  a very large number of musicians and splitting the revenue makes it even worse.

Hence why the lack of shows in Europe has taken a serious toll on the groups.


The Victoria Elleison Generique sounds very Good!

Clearly the team is maintaining the standards.

I Like it....

Many bands today couldn't play with this expertise and technical perfectness. I love how the chorus sounds, these people were very good singers.

You are Right Bencuri:

You will have to travel a bit to get a group that can perform or compose like this nowadays.
So much of today's music is mabanga and  little of lyrics with any kind of message.
Also the group mixing horns, guitar and vocals to such effect is rare.

Consider this Hit - Mimba to illustrate my point :

Happy New Year 2018 - Hope to dig up some classics in the new year...


There are some classics from Zairean Musicians that get the old bones creaking when they are played today.
The hits below managed to create Christmass cheer in Nairobi and East Africa in the 70's.

The First one in the list is by the Father of Zairean Music in East Africa.

Baba Gaston ( Ilunga Wa Ilunga) is arguably the most influential man who brought Zairean musicians to East Africa through his group Orchestre Baba National. Through him groups like Mangelepa, Bwambe Bwambe and others came to the Centre of Music in East Africa looking to make their mark.

This hit was done in the Mid 70's, I think 1975 (Apologies for the poor sound due to age )

Kakolele Viva Christmas:

Here is an incomplete but better copy :

The vocalist in this song I think is Kasongo Wa Kanema who came to East Africa through Baba National. Kasongo and the whole crew left Baba National to form Orchestre Bwambe Bwambe and after that group disintegrated he went on to join Super Mazembe.

I will try and get to do a feature of Ilunga Wa Ilunga later.

The second hit is by Samba Mapangala's Les Kinios called Furaha ya Christmas done in 1977 :

Orchestre Jobiso was not strictly a Zairean Band. It was an off-shoot of  Tanzania's Simba Wa Nyika. One of the three founders of simba Wa Nyika formed Jobiso after the fallout.

Enjoy !!

I am guess this was in 1980 when Samba left the band, right?

This was  Maybe 1979, but it could also be early 1980.

By the way, Samba was never in Les Mangelepa.

Samba Mapangala was  the Founder of Les Kinois until 1980 when he left to start Orchestre Virunga.

Too sum it up

Reason #1 - He is American. Since the beginning of recorded music, Americans get preferential treatment because of media outlet power.

Reason #2 - He played guitar for the all-time most popular music genre - Rock. Aka white people music

I agree fully.

Exposure is everything. Rock and Roll is the white man's music and originated in the US. In the US the little villages have their own local radio stations that promote their music. Then you have statewide Radios, and finally you have the Mega National Media. This fuels the need for recording studios to feed these stations with content ( music). Advertisers then pay to reach these markets with their merchandise.

So in America you have a musician starting on a local level, being played locally then if they are good, they are noticed, promoted and go National into the big stage. This has also led to the development of niche areas of music for example Country music in Nashville,  Soul in Motown (Georgia) and other genres of music like bluegrass, e.t.c.

A genre of music typically starts on these small roots, gains a following, and the following grows to the point where it becomes significant to attract the Mainstream National stations who then promote it to national and international prominence.

We have very little exposure for African music in such a scenario and so we are not likely to attract such attention. The Web is helping expose African and other foreign musicians to America and Europe outside the establishment I detailed above, but it will take time and consistent effort.

I know of a few Radio stations in America that dedicate some airtime to African Music, like Daudi of Ambiance Congo. Ambiance Congo broadcasts every other Sunday on WRIR 97.3 FM Richmond Virginia, USA from 3:00-5:00 PM. You can also listen to him online here:

The Growing African Diaspora community promoting tours by musicians to the US will also expose this, as will the collaborations like Fally, Dbanj and co are having with the big guns of American Pop stars.

This may give some exposure but like you noted, it is very little and it may take very long.

« on: November 27, 2017, 10:52 »

For Sebenes, please refer to the leaders of the Second Generation in the Veve clan of Bands

Orchestre Kiam :

The guitars of Lele Nsudi, Djuke and Sonora ( solo ) combined very well with Desai and Morema ( Rythm) with Kady on Bass.

Sample these Gems :

Kamiki :


Moni Afinda :

Another group known as Lipua Lipua also rocked the scene :
This group had  Vata Mombassa  and dizzy Mandjeku  among its membership :

Nouvelle Generation ( Onyango Shika Dame, Kamata - HA! ) :

another Notable hit :

This group also had  Nyboma Mwandido before he broke off to form Les Kamale. In fact Kamale was the name of one of
Lipu Lipua's hits which Nyboma adopted for his group when he left.

Kamale :

Damn, killed it ;D

Ha Ha Ha!!

Saw this around here being circulated on Whatsapp.
The caption is that this is a Mzungu farmer who has just received news of
Robert Mugabe resigning.....

Old School Music / Another one from the Archives - Stage Marshall
« on: November 20, 2017, 17:49 »

This is a recording from the Old Voice of Kenya ( Now Kenya Broadcasting Corporation)

Orchestre Les Mangelepa were ruling the airwaves :

Bwamy Wa Lumona is the bearded guitarist wizard.

Bandibanga Wa Tshilumba (KaiKai)  is the lead singer on most of the Songs

Notice the Dance and the footwork - Michael Jackson had not even gone solo and they were showing his moves...

Apologies for the poor sound quality, I think the recording was not from the original studio works. Hope you can tell the quality of the horns in those days.

« on: November 07, 2017, 05:29 »

Another Guitar from Diblo Dibala :


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