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What about the first one in 2003 with Brigade and Kero? Apparently that one was better

The press didn't talk alot about it, because people were focused on Papa Wemba's arrestation 2 months earlier and a few weeks after Koffi's Zenith, many fans died when Koffi performed at the football stadium of Cotounou (Benin). Even if it would be mpiaka or sold-out, it wasn't special anymore because Koffi already performed there twice (1998 & 2001). The last one marked everybody, because it was the first concert of a band based in Kinshasa performing in the Schengen-area after the ngulu-affaire (Koffi claimed to have paid 150.000 dollars to Maison Schengen) and it also marked the end of the era Congolese bandleaders performing at big halls for a moment. 2 months before it, Wemba gave his first concert at Zenith after being released from jail and it was also a huge mpiaka. Emeneya then mocking both artists, being also mad that Koffi stole his new dance "enterrement" which back then a huge succes in Kinshsasa at concerts.

Should they have canceled the concert? I was surprised how weak the show was, did they not hav enough time to prepare?

Is it true Affaire d'Etat is Koffi least favorite album? He rarely performs songs from that album

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Congolese Music / Re: Reddy Amisi, Asta Paola and Naty Lokole
« on: April 14, 2021, 16:07 »
i have yet to watch it but reddy and naty is always fun to watch,i am sure he insisted to play separately from viva la musica because "ba mifiti baleki ebele" like he loves to say
this will surely hurt  guys like lidjo and make them say "ye alakisaka nini po kaka ye carriere solo esimbi mua muke nde amimoni different"

Reddy likes to act like a saint and acting like he never does somethign wrong, but he has a very bad and rude behaviour. Recently he humilated Maika Munan at Socoda in front of all artists, claiming that he had done nothing in his career and he's nothing worth , just because of royalties of Socoda. He forgot that Maika had the artistic direction of his best albums (Prudence, Injustice, Ziggy and Etoile) and arranged those songs, why didn't he then appoint Demukuse or Timololo as artistic director if Maika was nothing?

Before Emeneya's death he said that he wasn't his petit and starting shouting at Naty and Emeneya really being hurt. But 2 years after he's death, he came proudly "we are the petits of Emeneya" and Naty reminding him about what he said before Emeneya's death and him not knowing how to react switching quickly to another topic. 6/5 years ago he used to make multiple interviews about Socoda not being serious and paying the royalties well, until this day nothing changed, but why he's not making that noise anymore ? (he's getting the part of cake)

Is Reddy bipolar? I'm not even joking, because he was very unstable relationships

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Didn't he play on Anges Adorables volume 1 & 2 ? Because he was present in all concerts of the tour they made in Europe in 1994 or did Wenge had 2 tours in Europe at that time ? Here he says that Pentagone was the first album where he played bass. I'm surprised to hear him saying the he didn't play bass on the Feux de l'Amour-album, while he credited as bass-payer in the credits alongside Didier Masela and Alain Makaba.

Maybe they played his creations on JB Mpiana's album, but he never recorded in studio. It seems like Didier Masela wasn't as prominent as a bassist going into the 90s...

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Power was first announced in 2011 as a two part album. Power "Aller" which had to be a world-album and Power "Retour" which was the rumba-part. Featerings with Cecil, P-Square, 2Face, R. Kelly and Flavour were announced and some extracts being leaked on internet. Then if I remember well in december 2012 just before his birthday, the single Sweet Life "La Vie est Belle" got released as preview for Power "Aller". The song was a huge succes. A few days later Power 001 got uploaded on his youtube-channel. The generique had 8 atalaku's, but the generique got at that time heavily criticized for it's first 6 minutes intro before developing into a proper sebene. Later on rumors were spread about Brigade joining Fally band and a Power 002 coming.



Mid-March David Monsoh (who was like Fally's manager/impressario) went to Claudy Siar's Couleur Tropicals of RFI-Radio to announce the release-date of Power "Kosa Leka" for March 30th. He came with snippets of Ndoki, Bruce and Hustler is Back. I thought that it would be Fally's best album ever, when hearing to those snippets lol. The album ended up by getting released 5 days later after 30 March, due to problems with the distribution. Power "Kosa Leka" got in 3 versions, as a double cd with 22 tracks and as a two volume albums on Itunes having 27 songs. The album was number 1 on Itunes in his first days in France, Switserland, Belgium and Canada. When the album came out in Chateaux, combattans went to sell piracy version the same day and it resulted in a fight between Fally-fanatics and combattans.

When the album came out, it was first got roasterd in his first two months on youtube and social media. Music-fans having regrets about buying the album and claiming that it was Fally's worst album and wondering how Fally could release an album like that (including me kiekiekie, myself comparing it to Matou Samuel songs for the way Fally used to cry on most songs). Ferre's staffmember were partying about it on facebook, screaming "to gagner, to gagner" and claiming that Ferre Gola would slaughter him with Boite Noire. There was also some criticism about the amount of songs (27 songs), while before 2012 the maximum of songs was mostly 18. But after sometime the album started growing on people and started to be a succes. The succes even became bigger after that Ferre released Boite Noire and extended with the bonus-single Original which got released 1 year later.



In the same months when Fally released Power "Kosa Leka" his 3-album contract with David Monsoh came to an end. David Monsoh excepted Fally to extend the contract to 2/3 albums, but just after releasing Power "Kosa Leka" it announced in the press that Fallly Ipupa signed a 3-album contract with Universal AZ. David Monsoh who was already in conflict with Fally since 2011 felt like being backstabbed by Fally Ipupa and he started to sabotate the promotion of Power "Kosa Leka". Fans started to criticize Fally for not releasing clips with a good quality anymore like he used to do for Arsenal des Belles Melodies and Droit Chemin volume 2, not knowing that Fally funded the clips by himself. Having taken already some precautions during the recordings of Power by making a list for donors who wanted to have a song with a clip to have to pay x amount money.



In May 2013, Fally Ipupa would get the award for best African Artist of the year at the first edition of Trace Urban Music Awards. The succes of Power would bring Fally to Ivory Coast, Gabon, Cameroun, Congo Brazzaville and Angola.



Did Monsoh sue Fally because of the Universal deal? It seems like a breach of contract. Like you said earlier, Fally didn't expect to have a hugely successful solo career so when it actually happened, he wanted to profit from it and Monsoh was in the way.

Do you think Heritier and Monsoh will have a similar fallout? Or does Heritier have a good contract with him?

David Monsoh sued both Fally Ipupa and Universal AZ, claiming that the contract was illegal, because of being negotiated and signed when Fally Ipupa had still a contact with him. Despite Fally not working with David Monsoh anymore, David still gets 10% or 20% (I don't remember anymore) of Fally's albums who are released by F-Victeam Entertainement and Elektra Music. I don't know if it's due to the contract Fally signed in the Droit Chemin-era or the case.

I don't think that Heritier and Monsoh will get a similar fallout. Because back when Heritier signed with David Monsoh in 2015, David Monsoh reputation was badly damaged due to the fallouts with Fally Ipupa and DJ Arafat about the royalties. During the pressconference in Paris, David Monsoh and Heritier Wantanabe confirmed to have signed a fair 3-album contract. But seeing the way Mi Ange-Mi Demon is promoted, I think that it will result in a new conflict very soon, like that of JB Mpiana and David Monsoh during the promotion of Soyons Serieux. There were already short issues before and during Carierre d'Honneur, David Monsoh being against Heritier's strategy of having public rehearshals like Werrason and wanting him to adopt Fally's vision of rehearsing behind closed doors, David Monsoh being against Heritier attacking and responding his rivals and enemies, but Heritier not understanding it, etc.

I was very disappointed with the rollout for Mi-Ange-Mi Demon. Aside from the generique, the wrong songs recieved clips and he just made a couple media appearances -- did he really think that was enough to sell records?

Do you think David Monsoh lost his touch as a promoter or is Heritier too hard headed to take advice? Although Monsoh may be unethical as a business partner, he definitely helped elevate DJ Arafat and Fally Ipupa with proper clips and concert promotions.

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Power was first announced in 2011 as a two part album. Power "Aller" which had to be a world-album and Power "Retour" which was the rumba-part. Featerings with Cecil, P-Square, 2Face, R. Kelly and Flavour were announced and some extracts being leaked on internet. Then if I remember well in december 2012 just before his birthday, the single Sweet Life "La Vie est Belle" got released as preview for Power "Aller". The song was a huge succes. A few days later Power 001 got uploaded on his youtube-channel. The generique had 8 atalaku's, but the generique got at that time heavily criticized for it's first 6 minutes intro before developing into a proper sebene. Later on rumors were spread about Brigade joining Fally band and a Power 002 coming.



Mid-March David Monsoh (who was like Fally's manager/impressario) went to Claudy Siar's Couleur Tropicals of RFI-Radio to announce the release-date of Power "Kosa Leka" for March 30th. He came with snippets of Ndoki, Bruce and Hustler is Back. I thought that it would be Fally's best album ever, when hearing to those snippets lol. The album ended up by getting released 5 days later after 30 March, due to problems with the distribution. Power "Kosa Leka" got in 3 versions, as a double cd with 22 tracks and as a two volume albums on Itunes having 27 songs. The album was number 1 on Itunes in his first days in France, Switserland, Belgium and Canada. When the album came out in Chateaux, combattans went to sell piracy version the same day and it resulted in a fight between Fally-fanatics and combattans.

When the album came out, it was first got roasterd in his first two months on youtube and social media. Music-fans having regrets about buying the album and claiming that it was Fally's worst album and wondering how Fally could release an album like that (including me kiekiekie, myself comparing it to Matou Samuel songs for the way Fally used to cry on most songs). Ferre's staffmember were partying about it on facebook, screaming "to gagner, to gagner" and claiming that Ferre Gola would slaughter him with Boite Noire. There was also some criticism about the amount of songs (27 songs), while before 2012 the maximum of songs was mostly 18. But after sometime the album started growing on people and started to be a succes. The succes even became bigger after that Ferre released Boite Noire and extended with the bonus-single Original which got released 1 year later.



In the same months when Fally released Power "Kosa Leka" his 3-album contract with David Monsoh came to an end. David Monsoh excepted Fally to extend the contract to 2/3 albums, but just after releasing Power "Kosa Leka" it announced in the press that Fallly Ipupa signed a 3-album contract with Universal AZ. David Monsoh who was already in conflict with Fally since 2011 felt like being backstabbed by Fally Ipupa and he started to sabotate the promotion of Power "Kosa Leka". Fans started to criticize Fally for not releasing clips with a good quality anymore like he used to do for Arsenal des Belles Melodies and Droit Chemin volume 2, not knowing that Fally funded the clips by himself. Having taken already some precautions during the recordings of Power by making a list for donors who wanted to have a song with a clip to have to pay x amount money.



In May 2013, Fally Ipupa would get the award for best African Artist of the year at the first edition of Trace Urban Music Awards. The succes of Power would bring Fally to Ivory Coast, Gabon, Cameroun, Congo Brazzaville and Angola.



Did Monsoh sue Fally because of the Universal deal? It seems like a breach of contract. Like you said earlier, Fally didn't expect to have a hugely successful solo career so when it actually happened, he wanted to profit from it and Monsoh was in the way.

Do you think Heritier and Monsoh will have a similar fallout? Or does Heritier have a good contract with him?

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man, the Wazekwa slander every time there's a thread on him. I just don't get it, y'all :D

He's not a good singer lmao

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In Zaiko singing a song of another artist is not seen as a problem. I've seen some interviews singers singing songs of Viva La Musica & Wenge Musica. Zaiko has still that family spirit of the 70s. Alot people don't even know that the song of the late Aziza was rehearshed at home with Pepe Kalle. Willy Bula left because Nyoka Longo gave him peannuts. Like Beniko Popolipo and Rocky Blanchard he was already not happy in Kinshasa with the money they were getting in Zaiko.

It's normal that Willy's heart would still be in Quartier Latin, because he started his professional career there and contributed to the rise of that band. But in Congolese music, you have various musicians playing in a band, but their heart being something else. For example the generation after Poison, had alot musicians who were in reality Wenge BCBG-fans, but just joined the Zaiko to get in Europe.

So a lot of young people didn't respect Zaiko at that time anymore? I thought Poison helped them recover a little fame, but I definitely see how musicians who couldn't join QL or Wenge joined them.

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About Extra Musica copying Wenge Musica in the beginning, it's normal. Since the start of Congolese music, every band first copy their big brothers before creating their own style. Ok Jazz used to copy Dewayon (the older brother of Johnny Bokelo), Wendo and those bands who used to play Polka-Pike. African Jazz used to copy Cuban bands. Zaiko used to copy Thu Zahina and Los Nickelos when they started before switching to the mongo and cavacha style. Wenge Musica used to copy Victoria Eleison in their start, just listen to their unreleased album of 1986, on Anges Adorables and Kin E Bouge they mixed it with Zaiko's style of the tokati robinet-era and Choc Stars of 1986, however they had still little bit that Victoria style in them. For example the way JB started talking about their trip of 1992 towards the end of Voyage Mboso, Blaise Bula talking towards the end of Jessy Chouchou des Londres and JB Mpiana once again in Mon Ami Coboss. Just the way King Kester Emeneya used to do in his prime years 1982-1988, saying stuff in at some points during sebenes like "nalakati ba cuire na lint, mais epesaki danze quoi. Hein tokendaki na Paris...", "hein na kin moko te......", etc.

Has any of the singers say who inspired them? I know Werrason and JB Mpiana say King Kester and Wemba influence them vocally. I wonder who Oxygene, Herman, and Doudou Copa were inspired by? Obviously, Papy Bastin is a photocopy of King Kester.

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in short he is saying that before extra musica was officially created  there was a transition from cogiex stars to extra in which they were already performing as him and guyguy as the singers,durell roga espa ramatoulaye kila mbongo,as he was called by roga to join them as the group he was in collapsed then when the group was turning into extra musica after some time of performances,quentin and some others arrived from cogiex stars and he believes  quentin sees himself as the founder of extra musica because it started in their family house but in reality,roga and espe put into practice the project of forming a band after cogiex which they were discussing there before him so he does not understand this eternal conflict about the creation
then when they recorded album later on he missed out because his parents were against him doing music and sent him abroad then when he returned he appeared in clips
 he also talked a bit about his contributions with some instruments,some donors,his contribution in extra's animation as some of the early animation were his as when kila was tired in their early lives he was helping him out
 he talked about their split following an argument between roga and quentin and he wonders whether they had an issue going on for long which he did not notice
he also talked about his time in wenge bcbg saying that it went bad from a moment when he was recorded and pictured with werra at la zamba and crowd was saying werra should recruit him and the day after maison mere's guys took it to tv so it put him in uncomfortable situation with jb
then he could not have a solo band because he felt strange without any of the extra musica members and he regrets until today their splits,and roga called him to join extra musica zangul which he accepted not knowing that his status had totally changed and roga becoming the supreme leader so him and hermann were suspended for having done a playback on their own                                                     

So for club appearances, you have to ask your band leader for permission? I'm assuming Roga wanted to percentage of whatever Regis and Herman charged for their appearance at the venue

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.

Didn't Regis Touba became a brother in christ ? He lost alot weight.

So Roga's version about the split was true ? Regis Touba regrets here about the split, but he forget that Extra Musica International and Z1 International made him reach another dimension and made him a big leader, which would be case if he stayed with Extra Musica Zangul, having Herman Ngassaki and Abilissi who already starting to dominate him in terms of popularity after Ouragan. I really wonder why Guy-Guy Fall quickly left Extra Musica International after co-founding it with Quetin, Regis and Durrel.

Regis is praising Roga to much, isn't it because things went wrong between Quetin and Regis last year ? I noticed that the last 2 years former-Extra members often indirectly hint to Espe Bass, like him being the real founder of Extra Musica, but always being quit.

You're right, I initially knew Regis through Extra Musica International and Z1 International. Albums prior to Ouragan are a tough listen, because it's like a street band trying their own version of Kin E Bouge and Les Anges Adorables.

Is it true Guy Guy Fall was sabotaged in Extra Musica? I was shocked that he didn't sidelined so quickly in the band, because his voice is so prominent in their first two albums and he was a good dancer at concerts. You watch the footage, he's even better than Doudou Copa and Herman at those times.

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Congolese Music / Regis Touba's Perspective on Extra Musica
« on: March 29, 2021, 16:19 »


Can anyone translate? It's interesting how people can switch midsentence between French and Lingala so naturally.

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Congolese Music / Re: RIP? HONORÉ NGBANDA ALIAS TERMINATOR
« on: March 22, 2021, 23:32 »
Let's focus on music folks, these political debates will just bring other unnecessary debates and arguments then we will not know who started what and who did what ....all these are just conspiracy theories. We have heard too many theories all because Kabila can't speak lingala but swahili ,french and English.

To be fair, I've never seen him speak Lingala...he could be Rwandan or from somewhere else.

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durrell,kila mbongo,papy jah and emery boyard say they will organise something to prove their are still active and gildas pozzi,hermann and guy guy fall are also with them, they also took with them itoua who ran away during the last tour of roga roga and co(funnily enough all the three mbonda players of extra's history are all in europe now thats rare)

Papy Jah should join Nouvelle Horizon

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Congolese Music / Re: Songs who were dedicated to two donors
« on: March 17, 2021, 03:29 »
Have you ever paid for a dedication? Or archos?

No, because three cousins of me used to be bandmembers.

So your name actually made it on an album?! I think I can guess which artist...

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Congolese Music / Re: Songs who were dedicated to two donors
« on: March 17, 2021, 01:29 »
Have you ever paid for a dedication? Or archos?

I have ... it’s a highway robbery most of the time by the staff members. If you’re not known - 8/10 times you’ll pay and not get a shoutout at all. It’s kinda cool to have your name immortalized in a song, but it’s a very, very unethical and dirty business

Wow, that's messed up! Do you know what the song your name will appear on? Or is it just a blind payment and you'll listen to the entire album hoping for the shout out. Hopefully you didn't pay too much.

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