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Ive always wonder how the other ones passed out : Shiro,Alpha,Enoch Boanga Omer,Lofanga,Baroza Matima etc in less than 7 years they lost just as many members and very talented

People always claims that Nyoka Longo sacrified them, but that is not true. They died because of AIDS, since that they were all sharing the same girls. Their wives also died shortly after their death. It's so sad

R.I.P. his was a big songwriter.


JDL of Wenge BCBG on the keyboards and Depitsho on the animations .

This is a studio version, so I think that Depitsho sounded more horrible in the chorus during the concerts. They were lucky that Manda Chante joined, which made his voice covering that.

Jus d'Ete Mulopwe had a big potential to become one of the leaders of Wenge EL Paris after Marie Paul & Zing Zong. But Depitsho took that place in, since that he not returned with them to Kinshasa in 1993.

So sad that Kongolo Mobutu blocked them, otherwise the competition against Wenge Musica 4x4 would be more interesting and maybe like BCBG vs Maison Mere (98-02) but softer. The competition was really harsh in the beginning (1991-93). I remember alot of Wenge 4x4 fans coming to Hotel Intercontinental, wanting to beat them when they came for the first time in 1992. Wanting to force them to change their name of their band  instead of using the name Wenge. Or those funny interviews of Marie Paul against 4x4. They or people who were in their staff need to upload their rare VHS's of that time on YouTube to let people remember that era. The biggest event of Wenge El Paris was that at l'Esplanade de Palais du Peuple in '97 with Marie Paul being carried on a tshipoyi. Crazy that people forgot all those things in no time.

It smees that Wenge EL Paris wasn't a real band, but more a zong-zing band. With everyone doing his own things and teaming up sometimes for concerts. Kongolo's rage against Wenge 4x4 messed everything up, using them as his toys but Marie Paul who was looking for revenge and and very hungry to get the leadership of the 4th generation did not understand that. With them split in two camps and on the end being dumped like dirty garbage.

JB Mpiana revealed in many interviews that he regrets to have signed with Simon without looking very good the details of that contract. Because at that time he signed, he just needed the money and didn't really think about the future.


The lack of impact was understandable, a follow up generique that equals or surpasses that of Toujour Humble is a tall order.

Why did Monsieur Simon drag his feet in terms of promoting clips for JB Mpiana's albums? He did very well with Pentagone, Toujour Humble, and Titanic but why was there no clips for Feux De L'amour (aside from the title song)?

The old contract of JB Mpiana with Mr Simon was releasing albums without videoclips. Titanic-videoclips were done by Shabani Records and released months later. The TH-videoclips were done by Damien Dimonekene and released in 2001 some months before Bercy. 


Interesting observation. Do you think there's a culture in Congolese music that prefers artist or bands to be formed locally as opposed to being imported? Perhaps that explains the difficult start of Damien Aziwa and company.

I also forgot that Internet came out the same year as Kibusia Mpimpa, what was the general response to that album? It definately had heavy competition with rival Werrason releasing a couple months ago, before Koffi followed with Effrakata in November.

I thought Internet was good; it was nice having Ficcare as a main soloist again since Pentagone and he showed that he hasn't missed a step musically. Plus, Tutu Caludji impressed me as a singer with Tshico Londonien and Alain Mpela is a vocal delight as always! What were your opinions on the album?

Simon Music really dropped the ball in terms of promoting the album, the clips were released WAY too late. They were already promoting Anti-Terror by the time those clips were released, which explains Alain Mpela's absences from the clips.

Not really. Viva La Musica was based in Europe from 1987 until 2006 with guys like Reddy Amisi, Stino Mubi, etc. releasing succesful solo album's. Wenge Aile Paris (1991-93), Tshala Muana & Nouvelle Generation were also based in Paris. Los Nickelos who inspired Zaiko, were based in Belgium. It is that those Europe-based guys didn't sement a fanbase in Kinshasa so they had necessary to settle, in order to succeed and many were faux chanteurs. Another thing is that the Maison Mere vs BCBG compettion ruined everything with everybody only being focused on JB-Werra-Koffi-Wemba

They received Intenet good. But the generic was not a huge succes and it could not really compete well against Kibuisa Mpimpa. Simon was in conflict with JB Mpiana. The DVD of the videoclips of Internet were produced by Damien Dimonekene and record/released in 2005, 1 year after Anti Terro.

The man with the "golden baritone" as a BBC journalist once wrote:

Si je savais ca, Faute ya Visa, Juste un Peu d'Amour, Colonisation, Ya Jean... ah Madilu Multi-system was too good. RIP
You are wrong Ferre is following the same path, maybe the sound is a little bit different since music kind evoluted a bit, but I can easily say that Madilu, Papa Wemba, Csrlito, and Evoloko's heir is definitely Ferre.

isn't following the same path. Because he always sing about one subject. While Madilu sung Frere Edouard, Assistance Sociale, Vice Versa, Manuele Samuele & Nul n'est Parfait. And his songs are so boring and monotonous. While Madilu had variety. His album Sans Commentaire was a mix of Odemba/Fiesta and Soukous and the albums Bonheur, l'Rau and Pouvoir were a mix rumba and ndombolo. Somtimes if you listen to the songs of Ferre you will not know where he is singing about or he got lyrics who doesn't make sens. While the texts of Madilu's songs were always clear.

Ferre Gola isn't the heir of Papa Wemba, Madilu, Carlito and Evoloko. Maybe with the voice but not with other points


from 24:13 min people giving their opinion about Desi Mbwese's decision to launch his career in Kinshasa.
People of Kinshasa are sometimes very harsh with their reaction instead of encouraging him and giving good advice they starts to crack him down. Espcially that girl in the videoshop who had very hard words. It was very difficult for Paris/Brussels/London-based artitsts to start their in Kinshasa, having on the same time their family in Europe. Many tried, guys like Duc Herode Mandiangu, Damien Aziwa (who even divorced with his wife because of that), Colombani Wa Senga (R.I.P.), the list is long. The moment that he released his album Drapeau Blanc, was the same moment that Werrason released Kibuisa Mpimpa with alot of people waiting for Internet which came out in August 2001.

The only guys who succeed are Koffi Olomide, Felix Wazewka & Karmapa. Felix Wazekwa worked very hard to become the artitst who he is today day. He was supported by people of his area Matete, the Congolese press who voted him as revelation of the year '97 with his album Pauvre Mais and by artists like Papa Wemba, Madilu, Tabu Ley, Boziana Boziana, J.B. M'piana & Werrason who helped him and some sung with him in albums. But he succeed with his 5th album Signature. Koffi Olomide also had very long way, being helped by Fafa de Molokai, Rigo Star, Maika Munan, Josky Kiambukuta, Manu Lima, King Kester Emeneya, Papa Wemba, Zaiko Langa Langa, Langa Langa Stars and  Choc Stars on his albums. Looking for a way to get his succes of 1978 back and breaking through with Diva in 1985 and succeed with Dieu Voit Tout in 1987, after the unexpected flop of Ngobila in 1986. Karmapa was lucky that at the moment he came that nobody released an album with everybody being focused on the ngulu-affaire and that he producer Eric Lukasi had alot of connections. With big record labels like JPS & Sonodisc/Next Music (aka Sono) being closed, which made albums like Monde Arabe, Miracles and Et Apres delayed.  Karmapa came also with something different (Rumba), while Ndombolo was dominating the Congolese-music scene. His first album Je m'apelle toi was a huge succes, which created polemic against his former'friend Wazekwa and Tabu Ley calling him his heir

Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 15, 2018, 23:15 »
Mvulusi how it is the situation of KiKongo now? It is still used? Because one of my biggest fear being a MuKongo it is that KiKongo might disappear like many other African languages

I don't know how it is in Angola or in Congo Brazzaville. But in DRC its dissapearing slowly, people in villages starts to do Kinzonzi in Lingala. Kasangulu is full in influence of Kinshasa and people of Kinshasa start also to burry people there, since there isn't much place anymore there and people not respecting deceased people. Everybody talks lingala in Kongo-Central, Kikongo is now more in the background. But in Mbanza-Ngungu they started a big campaign and they are teaching kids Kikongo at school so that they won't forget it. In 2012 my oncle called someone in Kindibu in Mbanza-Ngungu with a guy asking his friend which languague he was talking with my oncle being shoked. It's amaze me how people from Bandundu are proud about Munukutuba. Bakongo of DRC are ashamed to talk Kikongo in public in Kinshasa, while in Brazzaville they don't care. With people telling them to stop to talk it saying that it's a langague of people from villages, but the same people finding it normal if someone is talking Shawili or Tshiluba.

Mobutu's denigration campaign of Bakongo afected them alot, "Mukongo Zobä', etc. Having killed also alot of big Kongo-leaders Kasa Vubu, Nzenza Landu, Leopold Massiala (ow his death was horrible, Mobutu wasn't human), Emmanuel Bamba, etc.

It makes me always laugh how my oncles hates Mobutu or become angry if people start to praise them. Talking then lingala with that Kikongo-accent. Another oncle of me was telling me how they were humilating Bakongo-soldiers in the army (including his dad who was arrested many times). But that is all the past.

Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 15, 2018, 22:44 »
Mvulusi could you expand a little bit more on why bakongos didnt wanna speak munukutuba and how lingala won the congo bassin region over. Ive always been curious about that. I understand mobutu had a lot to do with it but it seems that lingala was already the major language before him.

I don't how it is in Brazzaville. But in DR Congo, the bakongo's see Munukutaba as a foreign langue, a langue of imposters. If you go to cities like Kimpese, Mbanza-Ngungu, Luozi, Kisantu & Kasangulu,you will hear nobody speak it. Only their own dialect (Kitandu, Kimanianga, Kindibu, Kimboma), since there doesn't exist a official/standard Kikongo. They only speak it in Boma & Matadi, were you got the harbors and in the past also Leopoldville(Kinshasa) before it dissapeard. Munukutuba is a patios of French, Kikongo and Lingala. It was created by Bangala's who went to work in Boma, since that they couldn't express themselves very well in Kikongo. And it got developed whenthey started to build the traintrack of Matadi-Kinshasa.

That's also one of the reasons why Nzenza Landu created ABAKO in 1955. One of his plans were to create a original Kikongo-language, which had to replace the fake Kikongo "Munu Kutuba". By getting officials from every district of Kongo-Central and making a symbiosis of all those dialects. But didn't got the chance the chance to do it, despite having Kasa-Vubu later as president.

Lingala was the official language of the colonial army (Force Publique). In the beginning only people from Equateur were talking Lingala in Kinshasa with the Bakongo seeing them as foreigners and not liking. Calling them "Les Gens de Hauts" or "Muvila". Lingala became really popular in Kinshasa after the Second World War, when the soldiers came back. But they were speaking Hindou-Bill, which a diffrent then the original Lingala and language of gansters. All the youngsters of that time wanted to talk it, since that they saw them as hero's. The influence became stronger with the Lingala-music. Those old Bakongo-people were scared to lose "their ground ground" and their language with the Lingala-influence being big. The last 5 years before the independence a big rivalery started between Bakongo'and Bangala. With Belgians supporting Bangala, since they weren't happy with Nzenza Landu's plan to proclaim the independence of Kongo-Central (including Leopoldville). Because their desire was to bring the Kongo-Kingdom back if Angola and Congo Brazza would became indepent in the future. That's why they supported Holden Roberto's FLNA, who had the same idea's in the beginning (proclaim the independence of North-Angola and being the Kongo-Kingdom back in a later stadium). Fulbert Yulu who would became Congo-Brazzaville's first president supported them also, since that he was a Mukongo (Mulari) and supported both parties financially. He helped Kasa-Vubu, Nzenza Landu and Pinzi out of prison, who were arrested after the riots of 4 January 1959, when the Belgians cancelled ABAKO's meeting at YMCA. The days before the independence Belgians created conflicts between Baluba and Balulua, People from Katanga against the Baluba-Kasai who were living there and Bakongo against Bayaka. In order to leave the country in a big chaos. The days before the indepence their was a big conflict about putting the official language of Kinshasa (Leopoldville) with Bakongo's wanting to put Kikongo as official language, with the reason that they were the most represented in the city at that time 55%, but other tribes refusing. In 1965 when Mobutu came to power he forbad all political parties and tribal association wanting to create a nationalistic country. He promoted Lingala alot, espcially after the time of l'Authenticite (1973). Which made Lingala getting popular in the whole country. But people of the east prefered Shawili. But in Bas-Congo Lingala dominated so much the Kikongo started to dissapear even in villages.

Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 15, 2018, 21:30 »
Do we know where modogo and reddy amisi are from? As well as madilu and lita bembo?

Reddy Amisi is a Mumbala. Modogo is from the ex'Bandundu province, but I don't know which tribe. Madilu is a Mukongo(Mumbeko). Lita Bembo is Ekonda,if i'm right.


Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 15, 2018, 20:49 »
Mvulusi could you expand a little bit more on why bakongos didnt wanna speak munukutuba and how lingala won the congo bassin region over. Ive always been curious about that. I understand mobutu had a lot to do with it but it seems that lingala was already the major language before him.

I will explain it later if I finished work

Congolese Music / Re: Ethnic groups
« on: March 15, 2018, 20:48 »
Would really like to know where Koffi Olomide, Felix Wazekwa and Blaise Bula are from.

Wazekwa is a Mukongo (Muntandu a subtribe of the Kongo-tribe), Koffi Olomide's mother is 50% Sierra Leone, 50% Mutetela and his father is 50% Nigerian and 50% Ngbandi. About Blaise Bula I don't know some say that he is Budja other say that he is a mukongo


So Roga Roga will perform at Palais des Congres instead of Bataclan ? Was the boss of Bataclan scared for the combattans ?

Did they ever released the Ziggy-videoclips on DVD ? Because I can't find them in Paris & Brussels.

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