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guys i have a question about depitcho,for those who did not know depitcho is a childhood friend of werra and one of his most influential advisors of then wasenga (RIP)and depitcho was approached to join maison mere even before maison mere really started 
do you think he would have done better in maison mere?

yeah ofcourse, even better than his ex' best friend JDT Mulopwe. Don't forget how influent he was in Wenge EL Paris, who were the rivals of Wenge Maison Mere. Also with the system they had in Maison Mere, would have allowed him to expresse himself better than in Quartier Latin. Where it was Koffi Olomide being more on the forefront, which was even in bandalbums.

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Enfin is the album-title still 14 ? Or did he change it ?

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@mvulusi96

I suppose the only person in Maison Mere who doesn't have a story of business or personal polemic is Papy Kakol and maybe Heriter! ????

Who do you think was better qualified to be leader of Les Marquis de Masion Mere? Such a promising offshoot band, but apparently all the founding members were vying for that leadership position.

In my opinion, JDT was always the best choice for leader. After all, wasn't the whole idea his when they first had problems with Werrason during the tour for Solola Bien?

It was tough watching those London concerts of Masion Mere in 2004, because you could tell that the whole group was on the verge of a split.



Sometimes I wonder if Werrason regretted those underhanded tricks that broke apart such a talented group. I gave him a pass the first time around with Wenge 4X4, but this split seemed a direct result of greed and reckles self-ambition.

Btw, whatever happened to Christian Mabanga and Michael Tshendu? I was surprised how that young boy got a song placed on the first Masion Mere album before Ferre Gola, Gola had been by Werrason's side since Pentagone.

I'm just surprised Michael Tshendu never went on to do more with the group, he was a promising vocalist, had style, and could dance but he just vanished.
Papy Kakol and Heritier has a long polemic history, Kakol since he became Chef D'Orchestre really made everything for guys to feel uncomfortable if he thinks that they need to leave (Prince, Bercy, Lobeso) for example he will do everything for you to make you leaving and then on TV he will say "leaving the group is a big mistake" even though he well knows he forced those guys out but he never got that aura of a polemic guy because he is only under Werra and administration so people in Wenge are aittle bit scared of his authority since he is the guy who along with the guitarist and Werra decides his much space member will have.
For Heritier Werra has treated him like a son even refusing the demission letter that Heritier sent to Werra before leaving.
Since Werra treated like his own son his bad behaviour is under the radar, but he is the guy who had a baby with Sylvie Mamoata's sister (Mampata and her family is untouchable in MM fans's mind) and the guy who sent some kids to beat Brigade that resulted in Brigade being seriously injured with photo walking all over internet






(which I think he did because he was sensing that Brigade was becoming too much important for Werra) which led to Brigade leaving the group since he went to Werra telling him whole the story, but Werra didn't even say a word by looking at Brigade with an empty stare that  basically made Brigade felt humiliated.
The crazy fact is that now Brigade and Heritier publicly gave each other compliment, Brigade in interviews and Heritier on his first concert as a solo artist were like I am very glad that my brother Brigade is here today.

Yeah the list of people who left because of Kakol & Heritier is very long. Espcially Kakol. You got Michel Bass, Bibicia, Cappucino LBG, Teka Diobanza, etc.

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@mvulusi96

JB Mpiana should have kept Burkina Faso Mboka Liya in BCBG, they were neck and neck with Masion Mere.

After Mboka Liya departed from the group, Ficarre and Alba had to step to the forefront as soloist but I don't think they were ready to match the success of TH.

Don't get me wrong, Internet was good. But the rhumbas definately were better composed then the sebenes, although they had Masion Mere beat in percussion. Titina and Seugin were an excellent duo.

I feel like JB Mpiana never quite recovered from Mpela and Burkina Faso leaving.

Alba Accompagnero is a rhythm player. Yeah Burkina Faso's departure was a big blow for them. But is was replaced by Coco Kiandia "Pina Colada". He participated on Internet, but didn't last long, because he ran a away when they toured in Canada. I guess that he wanted to study there, like Fiston Zamuangana, who left Wenge BCBG in 1998 those reasons. So he was replaced by Pathy Moleso when they came back in 2001.

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How long before Olympia Depitcho came in ?

hahahaha that 20 years ago, who would remember it. His arrival was also not a big event or something like that. Surely somewhere in the Spring of 1998.

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@mvulusi96

I suppose the only person in Maison Mere who doesn't have a story of business or personal polemic is Papy Kakol and maybe Heriter! ????

Who do you think was better qualified to be leader of Les Marquis de Masion Mere? Such a promising offshoot band, but apparently all the founding members were vying for that leadership position.

In my opinion, JDT was always the best choice for leader. After all, wasn't the whole idea his when they first had problems with Werrason during the tour for Solola Bien?

It was tough watching those London concerts of Masion Mere in 2004, because you could tell that the whole group was on the verge of a split.



Sometimes I wonder if Werrason regretted those underhanded tricks that broke apart such a talented group. I gave him a pass the first time around with Wenge 4X4, but this split seemed a direct result of greed and reckles self-ambition.

Btw, whatever happened to Christian Mabanga and Michael Tshendu? I was surprised how that young boy got a song placed on the first Masion Mere album before Ferre Gola, Gola had been by Werrason's side since Pentagone.

I'm just surprised Michael Tshendu never went on to do more with the group, he was a promising vocalist, had style, and could dance but he just vanished.

It was already sure from day 1, when they made that interview with Yves Kambala that they would split in 1 year. That election to chose a leader made the situation worser.

The idea of Les Marquis came from JDT with his friend back Agazul Zulman and became official in the days that they came to South Africa for the Kora Awards 2000, which they lost against Extra Musica. But they reconciled quickly with Werrason and went back to Europe recording Kibuisa Mpimpa.

There were alot problems in Maison Mere when they came to the UK, but it wasn't planned that they would leave there or form a band at that moment. JDT stayed in the UK for medical reasons, because he had a car-accident in Kinshasa. Ferre Gola who had already French-papers went to Paris to see his ex'wife Sabrina and kids and was doubting about starting a solo career or join Maison Mere later in Kinshasa. Bill Clinton went to Paris on his own. The thing which motivated them to form Les Marquis, was when Werrason sent Sankara to insult Ferre's mother and mocking the way JDT and Bill Clinton came to Maison Mere on TV. Werrason send also an ultimatum-letter to them saying that they need to return in 48 hours, otherwise they will suffer in their lives or something like that (thinking that he's god or something like that). Ferre was furious and called Japonais & Mimiche Bass to form a band and they started recuiting musicians (Serge Mabiala, Biva Rai, Celezino, Picas Mbayo, Toms Koyimbi-Ko, Gemerose, Kaps Kapangala, Yves Meteor & Papy Mbonda), being joined by Bill Clinton and JDT joined them some days later (he was still sick). Thenthey contacted Baby Ndombe, who had to join them in Paris, but he changed his mind after seeing that interview with Yves Kambala.

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Does someone have this album which was recorded in the USA, before recording the original album in Paris. It was without Celeo, Didier Masela & Christian Mabanga.

http://www.sternsmusic.com/disk_info/JK021

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Christian Mabanga lives in Canada.

Michael Tshendu stayed in Europe after that tour of 1999. He had to release an album in 1999, but I don't of they ever released it. I was seeing him alot on French tv-channels in 2008 and 2009 and heard him on a compilation-disc with French stars. But I don't know where he's now.





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In yall's opinion, who do you think won the creative rivalry? Why did Abilisi leave Extra Musica? I've never heard from him since Shalai and what happened to Kila Mbongo's voice, I saw a video interview of him from a couple years back. His voice is frail and shaky, was he in drugs or damaged his vocal cords from years of shout animations?

Extra Musica Zangul that is clear. Extra Musica International dissapeared from the music-scene after Merci. Quetin released in 2007 an album called Virgule, but it flopped.

People said that Abilissi left because he was scared of Papy Jah, but I don't believe. It was surely about money. Because at that time he was a big star in Africa, so why he leave without reason. In 2003 he released a solo album called Jugement. But he had back luck, because JPS Production closed his door, when released his album.

He's in Paris now, people say that he is addicted to smoking weed. This was the last video a saw from him.




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This is the worst ndombolo-album ever. The generic was huge succes and made them tour in many African countries. This band wasa mix of artists from DR Congo, Congo Brazzaville & the Central African Republic. This was their second album. The first album was Nono Manzanza's solo album, who left them after the first album and started a solo carreer, doing session work for various artists (Wazekwa in Bonjour Monsieur, Defao in Nessy de London, Aurlus Mabele in Dossier X, Rigo Star in Formule 1, Awilo Longomba, etc.)



One of the singers, Top Frisson One is known for doing some animations in the song "On Dit Quoi" of Zouk-singer Kaysha.





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not only dancing, but charisma and that thing being "pure petit" of Koffi (informing about musicians, etc.), while it was Suzuki's role. So he saw that he was stealing his place, which made him attacking spiritually many times. Bouro wasn't happy because he saw that he stole his place, as being the boss favorite.

The most bandmembers weren't happy with Depitsho arrival, because he was getting alot of advantages, while they worked years long to get recognition. The same thing happended when Ferre arrived in Quartier Latin.

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I was about to post it lol. Apparently Quentin and other Extra Musica-members saw like Ferreol Gassackys was scamming them and weren't happy the way they were paid. So they wanted to fire him. Many musicians wanted to follow him, but didn't believe that he would succeed. So only Regis Touba, who started to be on the shadow of Abilissi and Durrel who wanted to play lead followed him. Joined by former Extra Musica-members Christian Ambe and Guy Guy Fall (who didn't last long).

Quetin Moyascko need to react on this interview to go really in the details, about that story of reorganize the structure of the band.

That was a huge competition man. Extra Musica Zangul vs Extra Musica International. We need that kind of competition back, instead of unneccesary polemic. Yeah, Etat Major was a huge succes, but Extra Musica International hit them very hard with Super Helico. Then Extra Musica Zangul reacted  very hard with Shalai and Extra Musica International responding back with Merci (that generic 007 was a masterpiece). With Extra Musica Zangul giving them a big smack on the face with Trop c'est Trop (enough is enough) and Extra Musica International not more standing up (ti lelo).

So sad that our journalists don't know alot about Extra Musica and Brazza-music. It could have been more interesting if Ingrid Kabongo and Ado Yuhe went more in the details about the preparation and succes of Nouveaux Missiles, the problems which led to the split in 1998, the big events (Abidjan '97 and Zenith 2001), the way they were struggeling to go back to Europe after Trop c'est Trop and the way he left his role as lead-guitarist to become the lead-singer of the band.

Roga Roga is a big hypocrite.He did everything to let Quetin's, Oxygene's, Herman's and Guy-Guy Fall's career fail to be alone in the competition to be alone in the game and now he is claiming that he wished them good luck, etc. acting like was an angel in that story about the separations.

I guess that getting angry reactions of people from DR Congo, after denieying to have been inspired by Wenge Musica, made Roga change his made a praise Alain Makaba and Wenge Musica.

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What about JF ifonge why did he leave??

He saw that his place wasn't in Quartier Latin. He hadn't vocals in Attentat and was barely singing in concerts, he was only dancing. Getting also nightmares. So after Bercy he decided to leave the band. When he heard that Depitsho left he contacted him to form a band along with his friend Cesar Loboko. They had some succes in Paris and claimed that they would do it better than Academia. But the band didn't last long with leadership-issues and the fact that JF Ifonge slept with Depitsho's wife. So Depitsho left and started his solo career and JF Ifonge went back to Congo and formed his band there and recorded an album called Force d'Attack.

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@mvulusi96

Now that you've explained it, I have noticed the significant difference in techinque of percussion in those songs. Papy Kakol was always powerful on drums, but definately lack the dynamic of style like rivals Titina Al Capone and Champion of Quarter Latin.

What was your favorite album by Werrason or Wenge Musica Masion Mere? Which one was your least?

My favorite is Kibuisa Mpimpa; excellent sebenes, all the members had a chance to shine vocally, and impressive animations from Bill Clinton & Celeo Scram.

I remember for some reason that JDT had limited vocals on Solola Bien, if I'm not mistaken he just sang on Koffi Ayiana and Rendez-vous manqué.

Poor Adjani, those times were the last time he looked healthy before drugs complicated him like Babia.

My least favorite is the album is Temps Présent Vol. 1, maybe it was Flamme Kapaya's absence kiekiekie!

I won't lie, it was rough start for Celeo Scram, the guy had so little space for animations in Intervention Rapide Rapide Force and Solola Bien, it wasn't until after those albums where he would get more space on records to impress. I heard it was because Werrason only wanted Bill Clinton as atalaku, is that true?

My favorite album was Kibuisa Mpimpa and the least was Temps Present. I didn't like the new style and image of the band with Werrason starting to praise Kabila openly in interviews and the departure of Flamme & at that moment my favorite atalaku Celeo made me not follow Maison Mere very hard like in the beginning.

I remember how some people didn't like Kibuisa in the first days. Prefering than Solola Bien above Operation Dragon, they found the song 13 Ans  the way Werrason said in the beginning "Le beaute de pere noel, c'etait les belles filles", "the looks of Santa Claus were beautifel girls". alot weren't used the way Werrason sung alot in Kibuisa compared to Solola Bien & Intervention Rapide, forgetting that it was a solo album. They said then that had to give Ferre Gola, Serge Mabiala & Adjani more space. But after after a month everybody accepted the album, expect the BCBG-fans.

Werrason didn't really like Celeo, since he hadn't the looks at that time despite of having proved his talents in Duc Herode's band. Because in Wenge, beside of being talented you had to got the looks to join the band. That's also the way how they killed Congolese music, accepting singer in the band who can't sing, but only got the looks. Celeo wasn't supossed to be at the Europe-tour of 1999. But he finally came with help from some donors and support of Adolphe Dominguez. But was then left behind in London by the band, people in London advised him to seek asylum, but he refused. There was a day that he was almost arrested and send back to Congo. Then when he heard that Maison Mere came to Paris, he went there to rejoin the band, but made a big car-accident the day he had to perform at Villejuif. The succes of Solola Bien, made him get respect and a little bit more space. But he was lucky to be at Bercy, because Werrason was angry when he discovered that he had a relationship with female dancer Bibiche Bercy. So he wanted to punish him leaving behind in Kinshasa and replace him by Doudou Kibinda. But he the whole band was against it and they supported Celeo.
I knew that Celeo wasn't loved by Werra but why did he kept him for so long?? Celeo lasted only two albums (Temoignage and Sous-Sol) plus Primus Generique with Kene and Roi David and then left or got kicked out by Werra don't rember it, in Europe blogs they used to say he got fired but people from Kin said that he cheated Werra since he couldn't understand that Werra took Brigade, sensing a Bill Clinton 2's situation and furthermore not liking Brigade because of their common ex girlfriend Mimi Chikeva mother of Brandon Avatar which strangely sings exactly like Brigade lol, by the way if you check the live version of Sous-Sol
(which by the way had over 2 million views but unfortunately got deleted)
You can see Celeo being very present in every of the atalaku space "fighting" with Roi David joking with Prince and if I don't go wrong even playing with Brigade, you can feel that he wanted to make his leadership strong.
You can sense Celeo wasn't that important to Werra by checking the Alerts General CD Cover where Werra took Roi David like a baby and sponsoring him like they did with Ko Yimbi Ko





Werrason kept Celeo because the succes of Solola Bien and because he worked very hard. Werrason saw Celeo as a treat,because he started to have contacts with Moise Katumbi Champwe and Vital Kamerhe.With his staff gossiping to him that he was adanger,because it looked like he was competiting with him, since that he was getting expensive cars (he had a Rolls Royce at that time if im right) with also the problem that Heritier, Flamme & him were against the recording of the world album Simply the Best of vol. 1 (Sans Poto), which made Werrason sent Linda & Gisele disrepecting him with him being present, but not reacting. In his last concert at Savigny Le Tempete, he fought with Sankara, who was insulting him with Blaise Element. Then he they left him without passeport in France. Celeo talking about that in the media made his situation worser.
Celeo decided to return back to Congo with the help of the Congolese embassadie in the hope to be accepted back in the band, but it didn't happen, so he left. With Maison-Mere's camp claiming that he left, because he was scared of Brigade, which wasn't true.

Kene-Kene left because he wasn't getting alot of space in the band after that Brigade and Prince joined. Then he was left behind in Kinshasa. Koffi wanted to get him in Quartier Latin. He accepted then he offer, but you know how crazy Maison Mere-fans are hahahahaha. So he didn't finally join Maison Mere and started his solo-career.

Roi David decided to stay in France, after that he heard that his wife went away with all the money and furniture of his house and he agreed with Werrason he would stay in Europe. I remember how Werrason jocked about it and saying that he wouldn't have somebody to cook some "mbadi of Bandundu for him. Then Didier Lacoste invited him to animate on his generic, but those crazy Maison Mere threatened him very bad when he came to studio Marcadet with him running away and them following. They scared him alot, which made him say that he would never do session work, but he accepted Calugi's offer who was idol.

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If I understand well Didier Masela & Celeo were not in Canada & USA.

You're right Wenge1995 the Kibuisa era seems to be the last time Adjani looks "healthy" he was ubstable just like Babia that was really dumb to not come to A La Queue Leu Leu recording sessions no wonder why Werrason decided to cut him off that album and his song. Mvulusi, When he returned to Maison Mere in 2003 did Werra planned to use him(Adjani) in the original version of Miracle ? Was Alerte Générale  supposed to be the original générique animated by Bill and Celeo ?

Yeah, they weren't there in Canada & the USA.

Ajdani came back somewhere in the spring of 2003. I don't know if Werrason planned to use in him Miracle. He wasn't he same anymore, like in the says of Solola Bien & Intervention Rapide.

No, Alerte Generale wasn't supossed to be the original generic animated by Bill and Celeo. the generic was created after that Roi David joined. They made alot of hints about Les Marquis in the start of the generic and you got also the animation "bako kende, bako zonga", "they will leave, they will return", which was created after the creation of Les Marquis.

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