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MUSICIANS
Musician are usually the ones who have more space on the stage, on the lyrics, and on the song usually if they aren't natural born songwriters they buy some songs by other small musicians outside of the big group's system (Paroliers)
It can't be different type of musicians that can be of two type mainly the singing musicians, and the instrumental musicians

SINGERS

Singers are usually divided in voice type (1er voix, 2 void don't know well the division I ask brother Mvulusi to help me on this) they get space in function of how much talent they have and on how close they get to other musician or to the leader himself, they usually sing rumba songs in group albums and have the chance to put at least one song, more sing if they are Chef or if they have showed to be skilled enough to deserve more than one song, they sing even in the seben songs (Songs who are half rumbas and half generique)

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So from '97-2004 during the first generation of WMMM, Ferre wasn't both the Golden Child and the Chef D'Orchestre?
Hmm let say it was half and half with Bill, Werra had pure admiration for Bill, giving him more space on the generiqye, sometimes giving him the role of making complicated choreography while Ferre was more of the guy who could do it all but I don't know how was the relationship between them it took a huge blow once he left and joined QL and since that time they don't have much relationship of talking between them

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Congolese Music / Re: ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL SONG IN THE MAKING
« on: February 24, 2018, 13:38 »
that he was known to be a great sex addict especially with them  journalists with his bokoko stuff
I mean he have plus numbers kids and he said in the interview that if you go to a No go party you will be shocked by the amount of cursing and so on furthermore
MIPENDE (Legs) is a clear sexual song especially the toll part that guy is nasty but somehow he got away with it unlike Brigade

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Jesus Christ if I hate that guy Kakol Jesus...
My God what a hell is wrong with him you have like 7 songs credited to you, you steal money of people when you know Werra gave them and you act bully only because you are big and you have the Chef Role ye keep doing stupid things you see how Roger Ngandu now keep quiet because JB had enough, you will be kicked out in the street and go ask for some forgiveness if you don't stop, Lobeso, Prince, Miel and many others are leaving the group that was once the biggest one for becoming your own street band with songs about how I am great and how I am big even though I speak like a lady Kakol, remember that you are not anything without the fans, and you know how well Serra doesn't like this and if Mampata has spoken I give you one year and you are out

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Congolese Music / Re: STRUCTURE OF CONGOLESE ORCHESTRA
« on: February 24, 2018, 12:58 »
DONORS

Donors are the 15/20% of the whole orchestra's income and they are short in number but with high money income, most of them are members of the Congolese diaspora and most of the time lives in France, Belgium  or in minor cases,  Ivory Coast, Equatorial Guinea and Congo Kin/Brazza.
The more money they give the more they will be praised for example it is crazy the amount of times Didi Kinuani has been named by MM in songs J'en Ai Assez (song in A La Queue Leu Leu dedicated to him) Bercy Mwana crie (Sengaka na Ya Didi) BCBG with Ya Saint Mwanangani or Patrick Bolonia, Ferre & Koffi with Adolphe Muteba, Heritier & Fally with BM Bernadette Massengo and so on.
Most of the time guys with honest reputation like Wazekwa has troubles finishing the album because most of the donors love artists on the peek of popularity and the rest who didn't make money in an honest way (the way Wazekwa likes) doesn't like as well dealing with not very popular artist because mainly for them having name on the song is mainly for promotion of their own companies since it is a way to create buzz curiosity on their brands.
Musician cause of that buzz know that they have to make their best for making the song for donors since people and other donors will love to have the same success for the song.
BM - Heritier (Bernadette Massengo), Judgement - Ferre Tshilamwila - Koffi (Adolphe Tshilamwila) Liyebo Le Serpent De Moise Werrason (Grevy Futila "Liyebo") sometimes the biggest donors are African president themselves like Nguema Obiang (Equatorial Guinea) Sassou Nguesso (Congo Brazzaville) Kabila (RD Congo) or members with less power but still important like Paolo Tudilu (Angola) or Moise Katumbo Chapwe (DRC)

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Congolese Music / Re: STRUCTURE OF CONGOLESE ORCHESTRA
« on: February 24, 2018, 12:55 »
GOLDEN CHILD

The golden child is a name I have been given to this phenomenon but in French is the enfant Cherie, is an unofficial role that the leader don't even give but shows to the guy whom he thinks he will be his heir, the guy has preferential treatments doesn't get punish much for bad behaviours and his given at least two songs (not max since he doesn't have the authority of the Chef D'Orchestre) in group albums, he has the spot next to the right or the left of the leader which is of massive importance since visually is the spot that will get you more attention.
Usually unlike the Chef D'Orchestre roles that can be made by any musician the Golden Child is usually a singer that the leader take like his own son.
GENTA and ABRAHAM for BCBG, FALLY IPUPA and BOURRO for QL, HERITIER and ELVIS for Werra.

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Congolese Music / FERRE HIMSELF CONFIRMS 8 MARCH'S CONCERT
« on: February 22, 2018, 21:14 »

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Congolese Music / Re: ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL SONG IN THE MAKING
« on: February 22, 2018, 21:07 »
The song on the 37th minute has line that really seems Se Na Se's beginning, but then goes very well and in an original way everybody in the comments are bashing Lpbeso thinkimg Faux Patron is about Werra but in reality it is for Kakol, but people only see what they want to see, anyway he should stop falling onto the trap that the journalist make to him because they always ask him about Wenge and as you all know Lobeso can't be diplomatique, I have like his honesty I mean he told everybody since the beginning that he hasn't got money to pay nobody but somehow musicians and especially Coreen are still with him.
The guy that sang in a solo way when he spoke about formateur sing really well

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Congolese Music / Re: ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL SONG IN THE MAKING
« on: February 22, 2018, 19:54 »
Ahahahahah "ba'a na mbika na kati ya mutu" Oh my God Lobeso and his insults, anyway I feel sorry for him like most of ex Wenge's members he didn't want to leave especially being at the peek of his career with the first song and lot of responsibilities, but he needs to be smart and do different music and understanding that Mabele Elisi was unique and being a Mongo folkloric Atalaku it is not his suite, and try to put the Wenge style on his track and maybe he could be between Brigade and Bill as a reputation of an Atalaku who is wealthy (Bill) or make great songs (Brigade)

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Congolese Music / Re: STRUCTURE OF CONGOLESE ORCHESTRA
« on: February 22, 2018, 19:46 »
CHEF D'ORCHESTRE

The Chef D'Orchestre role is a role given to the leader onto the best component between the musicians that can combinate being the best in terms of talent and being one of the oldest for example the original Chef D'Orchestre in the Operation Dragon/A LA Queue Leu Leu days was Ferré, and after the big departures (Ferre, Celeo, Bill) it has become Papy Kakol.
The Chef D'Orchestre has the role of communicate to the members the days and the hour of rehearsals (usually three times a week plus concerts on Saturday) sending them messages for the kind of dress (colour and brand principally) that they should wear on the concerts, and make sure that the new members (along with his staff of musicians for example Papy Kakol works with Makaba Bicorine and Hugo Symthe mainly) get in the movement to know the songs and to create new ones as well.
Usually he is even the artistic director and gives advice on the arrangement, like Kakol who is always in the studio with every musician when the recordings of the songs are made (you can see on YouTube a lot of videos of Kakol giving advices to Ali Mbonda, Diego, Ambulance, Bercy and so on, but even give advices to other musicians) he usually has two or plus songs on the group albums and doesn't have any on the solo album of the leader, unfortunately most of the chef d'orchestre in Congo sometimes bullies components like asking them money to perform or taking the mic out of a musician for giving it to another using most of the time their songs in concert and in 90% of the time giving their selves more space than the other.
He is seen as the best friend of the leader in the musician area and having a problem with him will lead you to leave the group since on the music side he is the guy that controls everything.
For example a lot of departure in BCBG (Abraham, Metrau, Abel) WMMM (Bercy, Prince)
Gessac (Quartier Latin are due to the fact of Chef D'Orchestre being too much bully, invasive, or harsh



Tomorrow I will come with the other roles

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Congolese Music / Re: STRUCTURE OF CONGOLESE ORCHESTRA
« on: February 22, 2018, 19:44 »
ADMINISTRATION

The administration is a group of friends of the leader or professional stuff that helps the leader to decide which direction the group should take, what members should have been take for bettering up the movement, and what lucrative deal could bring more money and more power to the group, most of the time in group that are not very professional these guys are in charge of checking nice women for the boss so they can go to bed with him since unfortunately in Congolese mind for being a strong leader you have to be strong with everybody for imposing your authority and have a lot of unofficial women to show that you are limitless, in fact there are cases of leaders having children with their own musicians wife's or spouse's.
If the staff it is very professional will deal with whole the "boring" aspect of the organization of the music read contracts, talking to journalist for setting up read press or interviews directly to the boss himself, organizing trip to play abroad, paying the musician in time, and paying the promoting of the song for TV Channels and internet, speak up when a polemic is heading high and to keep the passports of the members (yes musicians in the orchestra literally give their passport to the administration, and if they want to take a trip they need to ask for it)
 for example the staff of Fally (which are two staff French staff AZ label under Universal and Congolese staff F'VICTEAM of Fally himself) did an excellent job of promotion of Tokos  if an Orchestra isn't professional of course they will eat the money the boss gave them by inventing excuses to not pay musician and not even promoting the single, for example Roger Ngandu (JB's manager) did everything to block the promotion of Je Ne Te Calcule Pas in the clubs in Kin blocking the DJ with treats after he was puting the song in fact in the forum we were very confused about the low resonance the song had at the time despite being an excellent song (now it has 1.5 million but after a month of release were barely 180k) Roger's justification was that the generique couldn't be promoted since it would have put distraction to BDM's official generique (who was out by three years by the way) and album

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Congolese Music / STRUCTURE OF CONGOLESE ORCHESTRA
« on: February 22, 2018, 19:42 »
The function and the work of Congolese orchestra's system is something a lot of you asked for so I have decided to show you and explain you how it works.

LEADER

I will take Werra's example because I am a Werrasonique
He is the guy making the big money and has the legal and financial responsibility of the group he is in charge of everything and has a very small group of friends/colleagues that works with him advising him the better choice to make, most of his income comes from commercial deals especially with Primus, every time you see a Primus albums or song is due to this deal that they have, being in Primus has an artist gives you the chance to control another artist's life since no new musician can join Primus unless old musicians agree on him or her.
After the publicity most of the leaders have private business JB, Fally for example have a strong Hotel marketing so they can fund on their own the music or live a good life without risking to become poor if the music goes down the third and last type of income that leaders make is by music, basically in the music of Congo the leaders sign all the papers for the royalties, whole the solo albums and has generic song (typically and historically the most successful songs) on his name for example Werra in 7 Jours is a solo Album with Werra having whole the money for him, not like Ingeta group album that had only Werra's name only in the generiqye and some rumba/sebenes, everything that happens in the orchestra need to be told to him, and most of the time (the only guy who accept advices from his musicians is Wazekwa) his leadership is untouchable, if he does have a second job or a trip for personal reasons that brings him out of time for a lot of time he hands it all to the Chef D'Orchestre for the artistic part and to the administration for the financial part.

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Congolese Music / Re: 7 JOURS'S MESSAGE
« on: February 22, 2018, 19:34 »
Yes himself says it and by the action of him until Kabongo you could sense hwle was true about it, even though Kabongo is not driver by Kindoki but only by anger/stubbornness of not accepting an advice by his former friend Robinio, becoming more closer to his best friend of one time Fabregas

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Congolese Music / Re: 7 JOURS'S MESSAGE
« on: February 22, 2018, 11:54 »
Why they keep doing it? Placebo effect. They've been brought up that way. That black magic may not guarantee you success but lack of it guarantees you failure.
It depends, Deplick never did any black magic and his album has been successful not like Fabregas but successful anyway Kabongo is doing good so I don't agree, I mean yes with Satanism you have more chance to have success, but without it it doesn't mean you will not have it

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He spoke well and hopefully it would continue, he actually admitted to witchcraft :-\. Still don't know why Team Wata picked him u because they need a tenor animator not a falsetto, if it was Heritier trying to prove a point to Werra then he already did in his career so far and got Olivier and Arnake.
At least he is not hypocritical, we all know musician do it...
And I think Wata took him also for spiritual reasons, and because that guy is way talented I mean Wata's best animateur was Brandon (clear copycat of Brigade) so Ambulance being in Team Wata it can be a great deal for Wata if he uses him well

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