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Congolese Music / NGOMA OR MBONDA?
« on: Today at 17:42 »
How do you say Congas in Lingala? Ngoma or Mbonda? Because 100% of leaders called the congas Mbonda and people who play it Moto Ya Mbonda (The Mbonda Man) or Name of the Mbonda Players + Mbonda (Ali Na Mbonda, Zulu na Mbonda, Kenyen Na Mbonda etc.) But what is the term for the Congas? Mbonda or Ngoma because if I search online usually when I type Ngoma this page wl come up first

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngoma_drums


But if I search Mbonda only the Lingala version comes


https://ln.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbonda

Also there is this song on J'Afro'Zz an instrumental group who featured Bill and it is called Ngoma with most of the music being Mbonda and the main instrument being a Mbonda instrument.




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He says he wants to enter and come down from a helicopter. Haha Even the two journalists couldn’t take him serious
https://fb.watch/fOF86jxmdu/?mibextid=z85qmb
Tbh  I want to see him it would be great to see him perform for himself only.

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lol like i have said several times he wants an industry like in feux de l'amour days where on sales it transformed his life while technology has massively helped piracy,even on spotify and co there are people scamming artists
and he is too obsessed with wanting to do his own way,not for the sake of image and just being present in the market like others,i am sure if he felt that he had disappeared from being scrutinized talked about every day he'd have changed


Someone needs to wake him up, he is jot that guy anymore people have moved on, and I don't know.  I mean if even Wazekwa is calling him out on it why can't he understand that he needs to let that album come out? Maybe only Werra calling him directly will change

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So sad how Celeo ended after a good start in his solo career. I think that he would have been very far, if he didn’t have problems with visa’s. If I remember well, he wasn’t even allowed to go to Brazzaville, missing a big event there which was just after Nzoto na Nzoto

Wym?

bro check  the comments i posted a video where he explained that all his attempts to go back to france where he had a couple of contracts waiting and potential feats did not happen and that he knew where it came from
 during that period or slightly after he had to go to turkey to "forget" a little bit as things were turning,beer sponsorship denied,one of his men of trust running away with 65K destined to buy a landplot then switching camps once he was back in europe and many other things
That's  exactly why I don't feel bad about guys like Werra not performing in Europe anymore, he could of created a society of guys loyal to him who could help with any problem but with Ferre, Celeo, and many others he treated them as dirt giving Sankara instructions on how to dirt them,  can't expect goodness after you treat people like trash, also he is lucky that people like Deplick (who got slapped by him) Heritier etc. Didn't took his bad actions at heart and forgave him. With that said, do you think that if Celeo kept quiet and planned strategically by asking for his passport without acting like he left and also didn't desrespect Werra in public his career would be different?

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If it's Ngadiadia's slogan than he's a genius. He and the late Mangbau had almost every year a new slogan or adage. Many also ended up in albums of bandleaders and bands. The most famous will stay "Lokuta eyaka na ascenseur, kasi verite eyaka na escalier", but attribute it to Koffi due to Loi-generique huge succes years. Its sad that "Bako batama" didn't make it in an album of the two wenge's.

 
Whaaaat? The Lokuta quote was of Ngadiadia? Wow, I always thought it was Koffi's I remember how much that quote got so much popular added by the success of Loi.

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So sad how Celeo ended after a good start in his solo career. I think that he would have been very far, if he didn’t have problems with visa’s. If I remember well, he wasn’t even allowed to go to Brazzaville, missing a big event there which was just after Nzoto na Nzoto

Wym?

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Congolese Music / Re: IS BEYONCE' SAYING THE TRUTH ?
« on: September 23, 2022, 13:28 »
Is it true?
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFdHp4fq/

I mean   except the bug artists and rappers why releasing an Album as an Artist? You release an album people listen one song and they searched for the next artist, plus as a marketer, it is easy to market a single song for 6 months and make it popular rather then making an album. The guy who did Ameno (You Want to Bamba You Wanna chill with the big Boys) release a series of single to prelude to his album and they had way less success then his Breakout hit


















Unlike CKay who kept the strategies and released only
A single after






Never mind he have also released an album... let's see how it goes


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Congolese Music / Re: FERRE TEASES A NEW RUMBA FROM DYNASTIE 2
« on: September 23, 2022, 10:41 »
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=874260990211448

they are finishing kakol song in kinshasa
rumba is slow music,generique is dance music,sebene is slow music with progressive acceleration then dance
I agree Archos but is Rumba not also the name of the whole genre ??

No not at all,

 Rhumba is only the name of the slow music which is destined usually for love songs or dedications to donors who pay the leader (usually a singer, but there are some rare cases like in Extra Musica NH and Zangul where the leader are musicans Sonor, Roga Roga) a good amount to make sings for them.
Acting like we had an album of 4 songs usually in Congolese  music



There is Ndombolo Music which is the genre dedicated to the generique  which is the main song or theme of the Album and that traditionally has the Album name and it is the first song of the album even tho like in Libre Parcours the generique were put last in the Album. This is the song that get danced at parties that introduce the new dances  and that introduce or solidify an Atalaku's name Leader  can participate but usually they just are the overall voice for Mabanga (Dedicace in French Shouting Out in English) for the various customers/donors who gave money to the leader for putting their name onto Generique, usually this used to be the most important song but there are guys loke Ferre, or Fally who sometimes have more Famous Rhumba then Generiques with Ferre being the most known for that since Fally have had very successful generique and his generique lack only when he doesn't put the effort. Thus js the fast pace music

The structure of the song is unique in the world because the song here doesn't go by chorus loke Western songs goes with a Bridge a Hook and verse no, it goes by dances, that's why it is easy to see 10 min songs being played for so long because people aren't dancing to an actual song but a series of dances, dances in Ndombolo are usually a concept a cat H phrase or a sentence and the  you repeat the catch phrase multiple times. An example could be Lelele By Brigade 




Where he said the concept in Swahili his original language (usually the songs are in Lingala but KiKongo and recently Tshiluba influxes are frequent) "Noel Ngiama Ana Letamambo, Ana Letamambo Yoyoyo MusiChoke" (Noel Ngiama he Is bringing new things, he is bringing new things so we are happy") and then he goes with Lelele as you can see this is a 10 min video, but if you dance it you don't feel those ten minutes cause it is a dance.

Then there is Rhumba which we explained earlier  and that have slow songs with a slower pace since they are destined for couples to dance or people just dancing with a partner, and they usually introduce new singers or solidify old ones in this case you have to cases of songs songs by the singers of the group who are under the leader (meaning that they can pose the lyrics give directions to the Instrumentalists, on how to play it) or the sings is credited to the leader himself, usually the songs where the singers under the leader compose songs are called Group Albums since they are of the whole group, while the album where the leader compose all the songs are solo albums, these songs usually end un slow pace with a lot of changes that goes to super extra slow to slow, a good example of a group album is A La queue Leu Leu where the Golden Generation each had a song


That's why you see like in this case Werrason Ft. Ferre Gola cause this was the song Ferre compose in Werra's group

A good example of solo album can be Temoifnage by Werrason where he made several good rhumbas loke Demi Tour and Na Touche








These are the songs that are usually dedicated to donors or to just explain love through the lens of the leader or of the singer

Then there are Sebenes
Who are the sings who are a mix of Generique and Rhumba which usually Starts with the slow pace Rhumba and then end up in a fast pace Generique a good example of this is 4:32/4:33

You can hear the song being called Sans Coeur (Without Heart even tho the meaning is Heartless)  and speaks about a Woman who got left and that lost that naivity after her first heartbreak but then in the minute I have cited you go with the fast pace and aggressive Sebene with Roi David starting to animate this song have usually a lead vocalist and a group of guys doing like 30 sec each of vocals in thus case since eit is Werra's album you have Werra as the main voice then Eboa Lotin, Bon Bon Kojack doing the vocals and the rest of the singers dancing the incoming Sebene, then you got the Generique part who comes this song serves two purposes to further make the Mabangas who couldn't physically fit the Rhumbas and the Generique but also to give space to Singers who didn't have a lot of chance to main Rhumbas or to introduce new ones and give Atalakus further space to repeat the catch cries/dances of the beginning or introduce e new ones who couldn't fit the main generique. These songs are really hard ti he danced at parties since people are focused on the main generique or Rhumbas.

Then there is the 4th style who sometimes is there but usually more then not isn't which is traditional, these are the sings that usually use Traditional Instruments of the Native region of the leader to put a popular proverb or a life concept  into music and they rarely talk about love they are more loke popular tradition, an example is always Werra with two songs, one is Block Cadenas which is a song by that kid called Elvis Kupemba who built his guitar by himself and gave life to Block Cadenas with Tshabwala Rhytm which is one of the many variations of the KiKongo Language and rhytm







2:25









In fact if you hear the sound is really.similar to this sound of our beloved Konono Mulende








This is usually the BaKongo rhytm which is located unto South West/West Congo those are kinda modernized version of the rhytm but there are also the more traditional ones























hen there is the Muluba rhytm




8:18




6:16 Mama Tshala Muana who got extremely popular introducing the Mutuashi rhytm into Popular music

Ferre tried too but Mmm



Then there is the Swahili rhytm








And then there is the Mongo Rhytm which is the Folklore version of the Bangala culture












This song is the one who got Boniomai which is the dance that inspired many of the Synthe song you used to hear when Fally Ipupa made Original



And Elok'Oyo







So as you can see Rhumba is just the name of one of the many genre of Congolese music, the fact that Congolese music is played with instrument and the natural ability of Congolese people to blend these genres all at once (Y9u can go in the street of any hood in Kinshasa, Lubumbasji, Matata, Mbuji Mayi or Mbandaka and find a kid who does things that not even Micheal Jackson or Beethoven could dream of) makes it appear from the outside that Rhumba is the only genre but it isn't each genre has his own rules

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I can understand Robinio's musician Leaving cause the guy doesn't have money to pay them, but why Heritier's musicians and But Na Fillet musician keep Leaving if they are getting paid from Wata and Hugues? That's ridicolous. Fabrehas has been known to not give money to his musicians so why leave? Vegeta especially. His move gotta be one.of the dumbest I have seen after seeing Paul Batomene (Ngando) Leaving France and a Semi Professional Fighting Careeer to join Wenge

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Anyway this is wild, a lot of the people commenting here and who are saying Koffi should be punished are the sane who were against me when I said that Koffi was wrongfully acquitted of his rape charges in France... like pick your side. Bow he is a molester? But earlier he was a Saint? Anyway I don't know. I don't know what to think about this.

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In my personal opinion it is Heritier because of the quality of his last released album, his follow up single and features , quality of his live performances too.
Thoughts?

It is hard to determined for the voice Ferre Gola but Ferre lacks the professionalism that a Fally has, Fally professionalism wise is the best but it seems that he lost drive/his fans take whatever he produces as gold so it is hard. Heritier was really good w8th his first Album forgot the name the one with BM on it, I guess it was Carriere D'H9nneur? But then even tho he took more effort to generiques unlike Ferre who have always have weak generique except for Sens Interdit, his rhumba became bland,  Deplick get slept on a lot and also Fabregas had some really good rhumbas so voice wise is Ferre, but tbh if Fally.or Heritier wake up they can take his spot because both they are way more professional then him

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In my personal opinion it is Heritier because of the quality of his last released album, his follow up single and features , quality of his live performances too.
Thoughts?

Felix Wazekwa. No doubt about it. He is producing balanced music.

Come on bro. Do I need you to remind this song he made?



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That was an awkward smile not smiling because shes enjoying it & she even tried to move away. Come on now keep it real & stop making excuses for him.
Brom i am the last person who can make excuse for that silly old men. I am probably one of the biggest critics/hater/notstanders of Koffi. I don't like him, I don't like his personality his behavior is weird he is jealous he ruined a woman's chance to be a normal woman to make her permanent second wife etc. But let's not accuse people of things they haven't done. Maybe that girl and him had already interc*urse before and he touched  her behind what do we know about it? Plus if I am a woman and an undesired person touched my behi d Smiling is the last thing I would do.
Jealous of what?

Koffi is extremely jealous of the success Wenge BCBG 4X4 had (Werra, JB, Didier Massela, Adolphus, Blaise Bula etc.) and also even more of Werra who managed to stay on top thanks to Celeo and Bill hence why he forced Brigade and Kero to spund just like them in Generation Bercy and in Effrakata also is huuuugely jealous of Fally Ipupa and despite acting nice he doesn't like at all that Fally is surpassing him in terms of popularity it doesn't matter if Fally is literal Koffi's hier in music. It is a well know n fact about Koffi and about his Jealousy

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That was an awkward smile not smiling because shes enjoying it & she even tried to move away. Come on now keep it real & stop making excuses for him.
Brom i am the last person who can make excuse for that silly old men. I am probably one of the biggest critics/hater/notstanders of Koffi. I don't like him, I don't like his personality his behavior is weird he is jealous he ruined a woman's chance to be a normal woman to make her permanent second wife etc. But let's not accuse people of things they haven't done. Maybe that girl and him had already interc*urse before and he touched  her behind what do we know about it? Plus if I am a woman and an undesired person touched my behi d Smiling is the last thing I would do.

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