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How did narcos humiliate papa wemba and why?
Also what was place vendome about in details? I dont speak lingala

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Bout to check it out.

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Congolese Music / Re: One of the rare VHS I can’t find
« on: January 15, 2019, 03:04 »
Can you summarize some of the reasons big bro? Also i find it crazy no one has footage of that zenith. Did it really ever happen lol im starting to wonder now

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Congolese Music / Foridoles vs Pole Position
« on: January 12, 2019, 14:43 »
Which one of these classics is the best in your eyes?

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Congolese Music / Re: O.O THIS SONG IS SO GOOD
« on: January 12, 2019, 14:38 »
Seems like brazza had quite a few underground groups like that in the late 90s. I only know of G7/Impression Des As and Patrouille des Stars but I know theres more.

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Congolese Music / Re: FROM ACROSS THE SEAS
« on: January 08, 2019, 15:33 »
Dope I love it

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Congolese Music / Re: V12
« on: November 30, 2018, 03:35 »
So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

I cant call LOI a classic because if you take away the generique and Micko that album is flat for the most part. The only thing that saved it was that it was the first album where all the videos were perfect, all the locations were chosen perfectly the choregraphies, the outfits everything about the LOI VHS was perfect. Its the one that started the trend I think.


But as far as music and calling the actual music in its entirety  a masterpiece I cant put it with V12 or some of the earlier ones. Personally Magie is a classic to me so i’d go with V12 and Magie. But no to me LOI without that sebene is not even close to classic.

It just marked everybody’s spirit because it was all orchastrated very well, but in hindsight looking back, we dont listen to much of those cuts from that album. Maybe Phaseur and SOS like bro said but thats it.
Not a classic?????? Tchip That's not true it's easy to say that now.... when loi came out all the songs were on repeat me people still play songs off that album now so how can you call it flat? It had songs like airways, Vicky, papito charme, mokuwa, motomolo on replay. A lot of people still listen to that album and its aged well so how can you say people don't listen to songs off that album


Yeah bro when he brought it up it made me wanna listen to it again and I been listeneing for the past hour and havent skipped a song. I dont know why for some reason I had tried to watch the videos like a year ago and go bored but now just now listening to it im like damn. Shit is a classic. Hands down. I take that back lol 

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Congolese Music / Re: Wenge Musica 4x4 BCBG
« on: November 30, 2018, 02:33 »
When do you think we'll see the next wave of groups independent from Wenge and Koffi (Quartier Latin is technically no more since Danger de Mort)?

Unlike previous generations of the Wemba, Kester, and Kalle...you don't see Fally or Ferre really embrassing the youthful artist like their former leaders or older musicians.

At the moment there are no big groups that stand out beside the Wenge Clan, Most of the top musicians today are really solo acts (Ferre/Fally/Heritier) from that generation.

There will come a new crop of musicians that will bring something totally new and disrupt the current situation, taking the music to a new level. That will happen, but as of now most of the big acts are from the Clan Wenge, or offshoots of the Wenge style.

If you look back, Zaiko brought a new faster style to compete with the slower tempo of TPOK and Tabu Ley which was ruling the 60's and 70's, then the (mostly) solo stars from Zaiko( Papa Wemba, Evoloko, Bozi) went on to form their own groups and for a while there was nothing new.

Wenge 4X4 Was a breath of fresh air to disrupt the 4th Generation, and we are now experiencing the plateau. We are almost ripe for a new generation to come and disrupt with innovation to a new level.

That is why Congolese music is forever strong, because there is always a new generation ready to innovate and disrupt the older one, regenerating the music and keeping it alive.

I disagree I think we’re near the end. Because at the time when we went from Ok to Zaiko and then Zaikos to Wenge Congo was the number 1 country in african music and by faaaaaar. Now its so much going on that I dont see any new artist coming out of congo for a long time. Nigeria is setting the tone now and they’re not letting up.

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Congolese Music / Re: V12
« on: November 30, 2018, 02:30 »
So for the most of us, we all agree that effrakata, v12 & Loi are koffi’s best albums?
I thought attentat was average but there was some dope cuts (the generic, number one, non assistance, cameleon, boda bodak). It so a « koffi & ql album » plus I found the drum sound weaker that other albums. But the hype was heavy (new band, bercy, new atalaku, fally, soleil, savanet), But anyway, there is some highlights. fally/gypson/soleil/lola génération realy « confirmed » in effrakata, because in attentat, the band was still in  « construction »
I agree with u brother, the 2000/2001 choirs were messed up in concert. But the arrangements made effrakata one of the most powerful of the decade 00/10 & affaire d’etat for the most of us, the best ql album.

I cant call LOI a classic because if you take away the generique and Micko that album is flat for the most part. The only thing that saved it was that it was the first album where all the videos were perfect, all the locations were chosen perfectly the choregraphies, the outfits everything about the LOI VHS was perfect. Its the one that started the trend I think.


But as far as music and calling the actual music in its entirety  a masterpiece I cant put it with V12 or some of the earlier ones. Personally Magie is a classic to me so i’d go with V12 and Magie. But no to me LOI without that sebene is not even close to classic.

It just marked everybody’s spirit because it was all orchastrated very well, but in hindsight looking back, we dont listen to much of those cuts from that album. Maybe Phaseur and SOS like bro said but thats it.

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Congolese Music / V12
« on: November 29, 2018, 10:43 »
Is V12 Koffi’s best album of all times?

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Congolese Music / Re: Wenge Musica 4x4 BCBG
« on: November 29, 2018, 06:35 »
I'm sorry but my comment my upset some people but wenge is a bit overrated every where especially on this forum give wenge too much credit for my liking. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of wenge but there's just some things I find exaggerated, for example why does it feel like nearly all musicians especially young ones always feel the need to say they were influenced by clan wenge.. but never QL, viva, Victoria... or atalakus always give praise to tutu or bill?

Wenge was hot but I find that they sometimes clan wenge get a bit too much credit on some stuff to the point that I fear in 20/30 years from now people might start saying wenge invented Congolese music and so on lol


That's because the musicians of the 5th generation are all born in the 70s so its normal they will credit everything to Wenge 4x4. The same for the guys who were born in 80's who see Werrason and the musicians of Maison Mere as their heros (Ferre, Flamme, Kakol & Bill). The generation who saw Victoria Eleison and Viva La Musica are those who were born in the 60's. All bands of Wenge 4x4's generation used to copy Victoria and Viva and dreaming to be like Papa Wemba or Kester Emeneya. Before Mulolo, Werrason used to copy Emeneya's voice. Those born in 50's see Thu Zahina, Evoloko Lay, Gina Efonge and Tabu Ley as their rolmodels and the most people who are born in the 90s see Fally Ipupa as their hero.


Most musicians who ended up in Wenge Maison Mere, Victoria Eleison, Nouvelle Ecriture and Quartier Latin after 1997 used to be Wenge 4x4-fans who had their own streetbands. The leaders of those bands started to copy the Wenge-style instead of continuing with their own music-style, so it's normal that people will then credit everything to Wenge 4x4. the original style of Viva La Musica (1977-1999), so different then that when Alpatchino came. The same with that of Victoria Eleison (1982-1997) before starting Dream Team, Dream Band.







that's a big difference if you compare it to Fula Ngenge, St Jean Mbelekete or Mazangi.


That makes a lot of sense. You kind of answered my question. I completely agree. The fact that Werrason ended up making such a big impact later on in his career is most likely the reason why we still hang on to the Wenge 4x4 era so much.

And thats actually something I was going to add on I was going to say I hear more people playing Wenge MM or Wenge BCBG songs than people playing Wenge 4x4 songs at events. And I know age has a lot to do with it but still I have yet to hear songs from the earlier era being played, it just does not happen. Maybe Pentagone every once in a blue moon but not often. For an era that is supposed to have so many classics you would think people would still hang on to those songs, but instead people play old koffi, old wemba, pepe kalle and the likes. But yes with Wenge MM being the uncontested Number 1s for almost 20 years straight it would make sense that we still see the 4x4 days as classic days.

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Congolese Music / Wenge Musica 4x4 BCBG
« on: November 28, 2018, 16:43 »
Ndekos I have something thats been on my mind for a while. Without any objectivity and with just looking at the songs for what they were do you think Wenge Musica 4x4 was overrated in hindsight? Only reason I ask is because from 1990 until 1996 they did a lot of work but to this day those songs dont get played much at parties or get togethers. During that period Pepe Kalle, Papa Wemba, Koffi Olomide, Defao were much less popular but to this day I still hear people play their songs from that era, be it in the car or at a party during the slow jams or even dancing to the sebenes.

I think personally Wenge revolutioned the sebene department but as far as the songs themselves I cant think of any song during 1990-96 that I can play at any wedding, am I bugging ndekos? Or do you guys agree in hindsight.

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Congolese Music / Folkflorique and Traditional vibes
« on: November 07, 2018, 03:47 »
I propose we make a topic of the best traditional music that there is out there or that there has ever been. Sometimes I like listening to the new stuff but i think its also good at times to go back to the roots. I ask that whoever posts songs give us a little insight on the group like the area where they from and such because at times they sing in traditonal languages that are not lingala or tshiluba or kikongo.

I stumbled upon a gold mine this week from the tetela/mongo people and oh my god. Easily the beat song i’ve heard in 2018.




Another gold mine and favorite of mine is a Kongo song from Angola



Lets dig for gold

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Congolese Music / Zaiko
« on: November 07, 2018, 03:38 »
Whats the reason that Nyoka Longa is the one that remained out of anyone else. He doesnt strike me as the most talented at the time when there was evoloko and papa wemba. What made it that he stood the test of time and became the face of Zaiko? Was he already somewhat the face of Zaiko back then? Is he musically inclided and knows how to play a few instruments? What is it about the guy.



He kind of remind me of Werrason. Not the most gifted as far as his voice but somehow ends up the face of a group, and then a whole movement.

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Congolese Music / Re: Boude Mayas ?
« on: November 07, 2018, 03:35 »
Just checked it out. Dope dope dope!! And the cover brings me back to those good old days of music. I love finding new artist that i’ve never heard of. I remember when i stumbled upon Pape God i was like my life will NEVER EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN lol




We should make a topic of “underground” artists that most people havent heard of or that we discovered someday. Im sure we could come up with a lot of gold.

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