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I bet that Fally, Ferrè, Fabro and all the rest of the bug leaders will never get exposed like that tho lol. Maybe Innoss and Gaz Mawete are the only musicians not doing it, with that said Jordan is really really risking a lot now the story about him having sex with a minor is more believable and now I understand why his single Affaires Does Love despite being really good hadn't had any attention what so ever, have Jordan spoke to the media or is he still silent? Cause the public will demand something from him, the journalist mentioned to QL musicians it is Jordan Kusa and? The only other I could think of is Soleil

Can someone translate? Like a summary

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Congolese Music / Re: EXTRA MUSICA ZENITH 2001
« on: February 28, 2021, 20:25 »
If ever a concert was mythical... this is it. These guys should’ve played Zenith at least 3 times in their prime

At this point Nkila Mbongo was having difficulties with his voice

Somebody's gotta reach out to the guy for the VHS. I have the equipment to transfer VHS to digital video. I don't mind paying money for the tape

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Did Pinacolda succeed in filling Burkina Faso's void ?







The solo's he played in Internet, before running away in Canada. JB Mpiana decided to erase his name in the credits when he came back to Europe to do the mix after a serie of concerts in Kinshasa, Congo and Africa (Zimbabwe, Tchad & Zambia).

Deja vu! Fiston Zamuangana ran away in the same country just three years prior, but I'm not sure if it was for the same reason.

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Sam and co didn't want to listen to Kenzy's advice of hiring session musicians and dancers for their concerts (Djudju-chet and co). In pop-music its always the recordlabel who pay and hires them in the case if more musicians are needed. But Sam and co didn't want that, they wanted to recruit musicians and dancers in Kinshasa, like big bands were doing and promote new talents,  forgetting that had to pay them with their own money. Since that the contract was just for two albums, both Academia and Secteur A went their own ways. Sam Tshintu decided to sign with Jimmy Mukelenge (who was their first manager when they just started Academia, before signing with Secteur A), but they ended up by signing with Rigo Makengo who produced their album 4 Coins Kandala. It's only when Sam Tshintu was stuck in Europe because of the ngulu-affair that he started to regret. He then tried to make a comeback with Sexy Chocolat and wanting to enter new horizons, but it wasn't a succes and not long after it Academia disbanded when Modogo and Mboshi decided to return Quartier Latin (Academia in Kinshasa was already dead  because all musicians joined other bands in 2003).

Years later Sam Tshintu and Modogo had an idea to record a duo-album. Then Sam met his friend Alain Mabanckou who is a known writer in France, they agreed to record an album about his book and he arranged a contract for Sam & Modogo with big recordlabel Lusafrica which has a distribution deal with Sony BMG. Sam Tshintu was really exicited because he was dreaming since 2003 about a worldmusic-career, being fed up with Kinshasa and the way he was treated in 2009. Sam, Modogo and Alain started to promote the album on French magazines, tv and radiochannels (France 24, TV5, Africa N1, etc.). They even performed at the big French retail chain FNAC when their album came out. They associated CNN, Beniko Popolipo and Do Akongo to the project. After that they performed at the mythic New Morning and started to have a tour in France, going even to Ile de Reunion, without getting attacked by combattans. But Sam Tshintu started to get mad, because all the credits went to Alain Mabanckou, them not getting invited in the media and they didn't appear on the album cover. So after a year, Sam decided to leave. Modogo then stayed alone and was joined by singer Ballou Canta who replaced Sam Tshintu and Roi David replacing CNN. The succes made Alain Mabanckou want them to record a second album, which they and made again a long tour in France, performing also at festivals in Germany and Holland. Then in 2014 they disbanded.




Bouro Mpela left because he was fed up of Sam Tshintu's behaviour when they were Kinshasa and also against Modogo, Mboshi, Lebou who were doing nothing to stop him. They were living in hypocrisy, saying yes in Sam Tshintu's face, but disagree behind his back. Before going to Kinshasa they agreed about multiple stuff, but most didn't get the respected the moment they were in Kinshasa. The succes went to their head and it was worser, because in Kinshasa they started to get "ba bureau" who were putting "songi-songi". They had a concert at Intercontinental and Bouro Mpela decided to show up very late, to show Sam a point that he wasn't his boss and Sam being angry. Then when they went to Brazzaville, Sam take revenge by cutting the music, when Bouro was about to do a solo dance. Bouro was so furious that he left the music-hall and the concert not being able to continue, because they were just 3 singers. Then you had also he problem of Bouro being against Somono and Sam recruiting reserve-singers and guitarists (Pitshou Concorde, Tonton Lay, Eric Menthe and co), but him being seen as a hater by the rest of the band. Then when they arrived in Paris, the conflicts went to another level and Sam Tshintu and co already hitting that they would do a 12 on by, by recruiting soon a tenorist (I think that they recruited at that point Abilissi of Extra Musica). After performing in Lille, Bouro had enough and decided to leave, to avoid the tensions getting on another level. Wanted to take a break and think about which band to join (Nouvelle Ecriture, Wenge BCBG, Wenge Maison Mere and Quartier Latin). But his father already contacted Koffi Olomide and he was then surprised to see Koffi at their house in Antwerp drinking champagne with his father. Koffi promised him a car, some money and celebrated the death of Academia, Bouro saying nothing and just accepting the offer. He was presented at Bolistone, but only Champion, Felly, Binda Bass, Nseka, Mamale and Ridens Makosso were happy with his return. The rest (Fally and co) werent happy and gave him a cold look. Nevertheless they returned together to Kinshasa and the rest is history. Sam Tshintu on his side claimed that Bouro Mpela was corrupted by Koffi Olomide and attacked both guys very hard in the media, saying also that it was due to bad influences from other bandleaders that he left (his brother in law Papa Wemba).



If Bouro's father hadn't intervened, which band would he had continued with? Probably Papa Wemba, because both Wenge had a pretty strong line-up at the time. Also, Werra was still on good terms with Koffi so he would avoid recruiting him out of respect.

If Sam Tshintu had half of Koffi's professionalism, Academia could of went far! I had no idea the lengths Secteur A was willing to go to promote Sanction, what would make Sam think he knows the music business better than them?

Also, Abilissi of made such a dumb mistake by not sticking with Academia. Maybe he saw the band wasn't serious, because I heard he tried to rejoin Extra Musica. If I'm not mistaken, you said they mocked him during the sebene of Karen Amour @ 6min


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I think that it was a mistake from Stino, to go a different in his third album Invitation. His first two albums were made of the pure Viva La Musica-style from the Nouvelle Generation/Made in Paris-Generation (1988-1993), having Bongo Wende on the lead on the songs, Ping-Pong who's was important for many Viva-albums of the late 80s and early 90s and Yves Demukuse. But for his 3th album he wanted to go a different artistic direction, to fight Wenge Musica and Quartier Latin who stole their places in nightclubs like La Reference, Hollywood, etc. (Viva albums being less played in those nightclubs), which made him invite Caien Madoka to play that Wenge-style and Tutu Kaluji to make people dance. The themes of the songs were good and the arrangement also, but there was something missing to make most songs catchy. Some arrangements weren't even matching with the songs (for example Mathias).

The album flopped very hard, despite the participation of Bozi Boziana, JB Mpiana, Madilu and Papa Wemba. Looks like the Viva-public and his own fans totally boycotted him from making an aggresive chance. I think it had also to do with not even  one song matching the level of hits-song (song like Mista, MJ Ngoyi and Romeo & Julliette).

Thinking now about his rival Reddy Amisi, I think that Reddy succeed with his first album Compteur a Zero after his departure from Viva La Musica, because he his solo-albums who were released when he was with Wemba being already diffrent from Viva-style (especially Prudence and Ziggy), which made it also already easier to accept his album. With Etoile he was already unlucky that it was released in the same period when Pepe Kalle's Cocktail, Maison Mere's Force d'Intervention Rapide and BCBG's Titanic came out. Also, him not getting the blessing anymore from Wemba who was furious at him to use like Stino, atalaku's in his album.



Why was Wemba against atalakus again? What made him change his mind with albums like Fula Ngenge?

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I had no idea they knew each other

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Congolese Music / Re: Blaise Bula & Ado Yuhe
« on: February 08, 2021, 01:05 »
in short he is saying that he started developping taste for music at home with his mother singing in groups of praise for mobutu and when going to buy stuff he was hearing music of viva la musica and co then he made one step further  in school groups until he came in wenge via jb and makaba and he was tested on a song of his own and they iiked it a lot so he joined them and ado asked whether it was not too hard for parents to accept and he said on his case what happened is that his parents were reassured knowing that jb werra and co's parents had a job of high responsability so they would not let their children become thugs like the reputation of musicians suggested
he threatened not to sing in mulolo because of a disagreement with the guys so they put young alain mpela then 17 to sing but his voice was not mature enough yet so he could not fill that role so they had to beg him to come and sing which he did
he said he has never been an official admin but he was just behind the 4 admins as chef of discipline and was asked about tutu caludji's suspension and admitted he did not remember well but for sure it was something wrong so he had to be punished
about salaries he said each of them 6 big names had their salaries depending on their status,then simple members also had a certain hierarchy in their salaries
he talked about how saddam was liking them a lot and giving them money  and then also talked about his sad incident we mentioned above
he also explains whats according to him esprit wenge,respecting everybody but not fearing them,and certainly not letting them bully you and he says he misses those days of wenge 4X4 because there was true love even if today he has doubt whether it was comedy or genuine love given how hard it is for them to be anywhere near as close as in the past
He said that each of them  wenge singers had his particularity and its that diversity of skills which created a big force,and his voice was very present in wenge's music  because he was the first singer to sing in studio he was giving the direction of chorus under coordination of alain makaba then jb werra adolphe would sing next,then in the long run he started doing that "backbone of the chorus" role with alain mpela and aimelia before jb werra and adolphe stepped in,which is why until today its easy for him to reproduce wenge4X4 style of songs since he was the central voice in shaping the chorus,so it would  be easier for him to find people to do kinda like jb,kinda like werra and so on
and he said alain makaba is an absolute genius of music could play every of the instruments sing tenor 1eme and 2eme voix but joked that his only artistic flaw was that he could not dance in sync with the music

Do you remember why Caludji was suspended? I'm assuming that's during their presentation of Pentagon when Ferre Gola interpreted his part for the studio concert. Was Ferre Gola considered a official member of Wenge Musica or was he just Werra's understudy

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Congolese Music / Re: IT'S OVER FOR ROGA
« on: February 07, 2021, 16:21 »
We can't say that it's over for Roga Roga. Roga Roga has now a dip now, but the difference between Rogatien and Nouvel Horizon is Roga having a solo-career and Nouvel Horizon being a band. We have seen in the history of Congolese music that legends like Tabu Ley, Papa Wemba and King Kester Emeneya had dips of 3 years some even more than 5 years, but made a strong comeback. Nouvel Horizon can split every moment. Its rare to see rebel-band last more than 5 years. Back in 2006, they also said that Roga Roga was finished, but they already split before he could react.

What do you think Roga is missing? Is his band too afraid to push him give up a little creative control. It seems like Nouvelle Horizon is a group effort as opposed to Roga dictating to his band how they should sound.

People forget that Trop C'est Trop and Shalai sounded different from anything prior, because Roga gave Sonor more space to play. He let a mi-soloist play alongside them, instead of the standard set up

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Congolese Music / Re: IT'S OVER FOR ROGA
« on: February 06, 2021, 06:08 »


Damn, his voice never quite recovered. Listen from 4:33, but I would still love to see a reunion concert with the entire group from their 1996 lineup

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Somebody should get a chair Roga Roga to sit and relax...... These guys are the future
do not get too excited yet....I was watching a roga roga village chez ntemba live and roga roga is back with new atalakus and drummer. Very nice show. I fear for Horizon because they have some power struggle boiling..... Levyson looks like he is leaving soon if not already. Their atalaku section also needs an addition to help zaparo.

Roga is finished lol

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lol, Roga Roga wanted to copy Alain Makaba by also singing his own song in Confirmation, Quetin claiming that he was obssesed with Wenge Musica. But if you ask Roga Roga it today, he will deny it and only mention Empire Bakuba and Zaiko as his rolemodels.  It's also from that trip to Belgium that he bought the  white steinberger-guitar that Alain Makaba used to have from 1994. If you look on the backsleeve of the Confirmation-album, you see Roga Roga being credited on every song as composer (except Espe's song), like the way Makaba did on the Anges Adorables-album except those were Fi-Carre played lead. In Etat Major he would play both rhtyhm and lead on the whole album, like Makaba did in the  Kin E Bouge. Quetin had to block Roga, Espe and Ferreol's trip to Belgium. So the picture on the back, had normally to be the album-cover, if Quetin didn't insist to put Guy-Guy on the albumcover.

I'm surprised to hear that Love in Love wasn't supposed to be in Confirmation and it quickly being recorded, without somebody knowing it and when being in Belgium, replacing the song of Guy-Guy Fall with that of Love in Love. Really sad that they cut Guy-Guy Fall's song out of the album. Roga's plan with Espe Bass was well prepared to get Guy-Guy Fall out of the band. Herman already being there and sung lead on Etape. They were lucky that they are from Brazzaville, otherwise Kongolo Mobutu would do them dirty lol.

Espe Bass and Roga Roga really knew what they were doing, looks like they wanted already have a split,  creating havoc in the band with that Succes Extra-song, by calling Doudou Copa & Guy-Guy Fall deep in the night to add that history-vocal, where they didn't mention Quetin Moyascko. If it was not their elders, he would already have left Extra Musica. About Roga-Roga being obsessed with Wenge Musica, was that history-vocal of Succes Extra, not inspired from JB's vocal lisapo in Daddet Mpoko, where JB sung the history of Wenge Musica.

What's your favorite album before the 1998 split?

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Congolese Music / Re: RUTH NZELE HAS APPARENTLY LEFT FERRE
« on: January 26, 2021, 21:43 »
I feel like women can't manage in Congolese music, name me one that's successful and not getting her cheeks clapped by a band leader?

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Congolese Music / Re: ADO YUHE INTERVIEW WITH JULIEN GABBANA
« on: January 26, 2021, 21:41 »
I remember his vocals on Mutoba, that's about it lol

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I don't think that it would have sounded like Alerte Generale, some guitar partitions from Flamme Kapaya were created after Les Marquis. Don't forget that when new cries come in, guitarists will look for other sebenes to let it fit the cri. reserve-guitarist Mayindombe gave Flamme that guitar-signature, when Celeo comes with "yo tein petit". Except the sukali-sukali part, "kimbongile" and "olie biloko ya mbwa", the rest were all new cries who came after Bill's departure. Roi David's koko cri, is a recycled version of Bill Clinton's cri (If I remember well, Bill animated it in the song Miami), but Ali Mbonda added for Roi David "bana batika kepa" and "keba oko tekisa ba mapangu" to attack Les Marquis. We will never know how that album would have sounded. Also a few songs in Werra's album came later in, when Ferre and co already left. For example the song Temoingage itself, because that was written to react against JB's Ezau and that song came months later out after the creation of Les Marquis.

Yes, Werrason saw that they weren't really ready despite experienced singers Aimelia, Lacoste, Heritier, J3 and Kabose being there, also for the fact for not getting visa's for France. To test the team, Celeo as main atalaku (after being years in Bill's shadow) and the new Roi David & Kene Kene, he decided to record Alerte Generale, giving the singers alot vocals. Btw the way when they came to record Temoignage, singers like Bonbon Kojack & Cappucino weren't able to do vocals in the studio and Sec Bidens being mad, calling them 'faux chanteurs', saying that they had to learn singing again and rehearse very hard. After spending 5 months in Europe, they went back again to Kinshasa for Bralima concerts (Kikwit, FIKIN, etc.) and when they came back to finish the album, evertyhing was ok. Werrason could have recruited better singers, but there was alot corruption, himself also not looking to the singing abilities, but just the looks. You had a guy (I forgot his name), who ended up in Bill's samourai, who came to replace Baby Ndombe, but he wasn't accepted. You also a guy singer from Tshangu (nicknamed Moyibi), but Werrason prefering Cappucino. Also a tenorist was by far better than Bonbon Kojack.
Were there original cries from Miracles that were saved for Temoingage?
This might be a little off topic but why was Sous sol also a Maxi single? He had the talent around him that time compared to Alerte Generale.

No, because all original cries of Miracles were animated in Alerte Generale. All cries of Temoingnage were new crie, most were created in the time of FIKIN 2005 (Kisanola, Werra Champion, Kwanza munu awa, Bakanisaki toko sila, etc.)

Sous Sol was recorded, because Primus wanted a generique-single. At the same Lacoste & Adjani were complaining about still not having released a song under their name in Wenge, which made Werrason decided to record a 3 song-maxi. Later on he wanted to give also Heritier an opportunity to put a song, since that used to be in Maison Mere since 2000. But later changed his mind. On the same time he was contacted soccerplayer Nicolas Anelka who started a music-recordlabel, wanting him to start in world-music. To prepare his public for his world-album which he used to call Arche de Noe, he gave his private singer Petit Lokua and Flamme Kapaya the opportunity to put songs in Sous Sol. The funny thing is that Werrason would credit Adjani & Petit Lokua's song to his name.





When recording Arche de Noe, Flamme Kapaya, Celeo & Heritier didn't want to participate, because they wanted to get affiliated to SACEM, get royalties, etc. Later on Heritier changed his mind and participated and Celeo came on the last minute, but he came to late, because already finished recording. The same problems occured when recording Temps Present. For whatever reason, the album release-date got postponed to 2008, Werrason changing it into Simply the Best volume 1 "Sans Poteau" and saving the album-title Arche de Noe for his solo-album he wanted to release after Temps Present, who never came. Simply the Best ended up by getting released in the summer of 2009, but not officialy and flopped very hard.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7l51k

Maybe Bonbon Kojack, but why was Sec considering Cappucino a fake singer?  His vocals were very nice, especially in Conscious Bela and Temps Perdus. I'm guessing the first verison of Temoingage must have been very bad if they had rerecord the entire album lol I thought Werra wasn't convinced by the animation, which is why they had to do some corrections later on...as well as replace Michel and Teka who ran away.

What happened with J3 and Michel Bass? I noticed J3 was prominent in concerts and clips for Sous Sol, but never sang a single vocal on the entire EP. Michel Bass was more advanced a bassist then Mimiche, but he left as quickly as he was recruited.

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I don't think that it would have sounded like Alerte Generale, some guitar partitions from Flamme Kapaya were created after Les Marquis. Don't forget that when new cries come in, guitarists will look for other sebenes to let it fit the cri. reserve-guitarist Mayindombe gave Flamme that guitar-signature, when Celeo comes with "yo tein petit". Except the sukali-sukali part, "kimbongile" and "olie biloko ya mbwa", the rest were all new cries who came after Bill's departure. Roi David's koko cri, is a recycled version of Bill Clinton's cri (If I remember well, Bill animated it in the song Miami), but Ali Mbonda added for Roi David "bana batika kepa" and "keba oko tekisa ba mapangu" to attack Les Marquis. We will never know how that album would have sounded. Also a few songs in Werra's album came later in, when Ferre and co already left. For example the song Temoingage itself, because that was written to react against JB's Ezau and that song came months later out after the creation of Les Marquis.

Yes, Werrason saw that they weren't really ready despite experienced singers Aimelia, Lacoste, Heritier, J3 and Kabose being there, also for the fact for not getting visa's for France. To test the team, Celeo as main atalaku (after being years in Bill's shadow) and the new Roi David & Kene Kene, he decided to record Alerte Generale, giving the singers alot vocals. Btw the way when they came to record Temoignage, singers like Bonbon Kojack & Cappucino weren't able to do vocals in the studio and Sec Bidens being mad, calling them 'faux chanteurs', saying that they had to learn singing again and rehearse very hard. After spending 5 months in Europe, they went back again to Kinshasa for Bralima concerts (Kikwit, FIKIN, etc.) and when they came back to finish the album, evertyhing was ok. Werrason could have recruited better singers, but there was alot corruption, himself also not looking to the singing abilities, but just the looks. You had a guy (I forgot his name), who ended up in Bill's samourai, who came to replace Baby Ndombe, but he wasn't accepted. You also a guy singer from Tshangu (nicknamed Moyibi), but Werrason prefering Cappucino. Also a tenorist was by far better than Bonbon Kojack.
Were there original cries from Miracles that were saved for Temoingage?
This might be a little off topic but why was Sous sol also a Maxi single? He had the talent around him that time compared to Alerte Generale.

No, because all original cries of Miracles were animated in Alerte Generale. All cries of Temoingnage were new crie, most were created in the time of FIKIN 2005 (Kisanola, Werra Champion, Kwanza munu awa, Bakanisaki toko sila, etc.)

Sous Sol was recorded, because Primus wanted a generique-single. At the same Lacoste & Adjani were complaining about still not having released a song under their name in Wenge, which made Werrason decided to record a 3 song-maxi. Later on he wanted to give also Heritier an opportunity to put a song, since that used to be in Maison Mere since 2000. But later changed his mind. On the same time he was contacted soccerplayer Nicolas Anelka who started a music-recordlabel, wanting him to start in world-music. To prepare his public for his world-album which he used to call Arche de Noe, he gave his private singer Petit Lokua and Flamme Kapaya the opportunity to put songs in Sous Sol. The funny thing is that Werrason would credit Adjani & Petit Lokua's song to his name.





When recording Arche de Noe, Flamme Kapaya, Celeo & Heritier didn't want to participate, because they wanted to get affiliated to SACEM, get royalties, etc. Later on Heritier changed his mind and participated and Celeo came on the last minute, but he came to late, because already finished recording. The same problems occured when recording Temps Present. For whatever reason, the album release-date got postponed to 2008, Werrason changing it into Simply the Best volume 1 "Sans Poteau" and saving the album-title Arche de Noe for his solo-album he wanted to release after Temps Present, who never came. Simply the Best ended up by getting released in the summer of 2009, but not officialy and flopped very hard.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7l51k

Did they keep any of Flamme Kapaya partitions any songs from Mayi Ya Sika? I heard he started the recording process, but stayed behind in Europe after the Spring tour of 2007. Werra's decision making was very strange in that period. He lost Roi David, Flamme, Kene Kene, and Celeo.

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