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Congolese Music / Re: Archive; Full DVD Techno Malewa (2009)
« on: March 23, 2022, 20:19 »
Temps Present was already finished in 2007 and Flamme Kapaya did the mixing and also brought the final product to Werrason, but Werrason wanting to record another generique (I believe that I knew that Flamme would leave soon). After Flamme they erased all his work except his contribution in Elliot Mondombe’s song (I forgot the title, but Taddet lead there). Thierry Mogratana became the n1 solist but after a few months he decided to go back to Europe to short his papers out. This made Christian become the lead guitarist of WMM.

I excerpted nobody to become a big bandleader because they didn’t had in my opinion the charisma musicians of the 1997-2006 had. I used to hate Heritier back in those days. Heritier left on the right moment, but I believe that he could do also wonder if he left 2011 when Werrason slept him in his face.

What made him slap Heritier? Wow, I thought Heritier couldn't do wrong in Werra's eyes! So that also means that Celeo had his parts deleted as well? Probably a song since it was a group album as well!

The song you're talking about is Retour Interdite. I can't believe Werra wouldn't honor his promise to Flamme, he's given him so many classic solos since Kibusia!

@archos I agree, there was no more catchy dances anymore. I guess they stopped borrowing from shegues, because I feel like animations are either raunchy. You never see atalakus incorporate folklore or gospel songs as cries like before...

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Congolese Music / Re: Archive; Full DVD Techno Malewa (2009)
« on: March 23, 2022, 17:10 »
Ironiccaly, I liked it. After that Temps Present "Mayi ya Sika" didn't convince me. Before the release, I tought that Techno Malewa would be the end of Werrason after that "version automatique" got leaked. Everybody critized it. But when the album got released, I had something like wow when hearing "version mecanique" of the generique. My favorite song was Salon d'Honnheur and I used to like Diego Music and Par Amour alot. Yeah, the team wasn't a dream team. But the Congolese music-scene had changed. The level of Congolese bands dropped, but people weren't noticing really it, which could be maybe due to the hysteria of the G5-revolution and the public wanting to see bandleaders sing more to be convinced of their singing-abilities since and also solo-albums. Bandleaders were more looking to singers who had some comedy when singing, copycats of Fally and skinny boys.

Bonbon Kojack was left behind in Kinshasa when Wenge Maison Mere went abroad for 6 months in Europe. Accoring to Kene-Kene they did that because, it was rumored that Kene-Kene, Bonbon Kojack and another artist (I don't remember who) would get papers. But that's contradictory if you see that some guys (Miel for example) of the Temps Present-era received papers later on. Anyway, Bonbon Kojack started to have issues with his voices and Werrason used often to humilate him in public during concerts and rehearshals at la zamba playa. There used to be a concert on youtube of them performing at FIKIN, but the channel having that video is closed. Many girls were dissapointed when discovering that Bonbon Kojack was left behind, because he used to have many fans over there. During that period Taddet de Monticule took his role when being in Europe. When Wenge Maison Mere returned he continued to have problems with his voice and at some point he started to become ill. He had only one vocal in Temps Present. In that period it was rumored that he was about to join Ferre Gola's band and even reported in the press, but I don't know what happened. Bonbon Kojack would also miss the trip to Zenith 2008. His problems would become with the day worser. There was a moment that it was reported by the press that Bonbon Kojack died. But luckily he was still alive. It was said that they were already transporting his body to the morgue before that he wake up. Bonbon Kojack would make a comeback when recovering. Werrason let him participate in the videoclips of Techno Malewa volume 1 and was also thinking about giving him a song, but changed his mind on the last minute, preferring to give him that opportunity in volume 2 . Bonbon Kojack would go to Zenith 2010. After Europe tour 2010, he preferred to stay in Europe which made his song being erased from Malewa 2. Years later, Bonbon Kojack claimed that he was victim of spiritual attacks by Taddet de Monticule and Miel de son which made him lose his voice, also how he almost died, the way Taddet took his official girlfriend, etc.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9c716?syndication=110766
the video of Bonbon Kojack in the hospital


Did Flamme Kapaya participate in Temps Present, if so what songs? He was with them for some concerts in 2007. Also, why did Thierry Mogratana leave? He would of became the number one soloist with Flamme leaving, even Christian Solo and Michel Bass ran away. Werra was losing so many artists.

Wenge MM was crowded. Were there anyone from the new team you expected to have a strong solo career? For me, I had high hopes for Taddet, Heritier, and Cappuccino but only Heritier and Fabregas managed to really graduate into a successful solo career.

Did Heritier leave at the right time? Or should he had left earlier? I believe he was ready to go solo by this album


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Koffi Olomidé himself said it a few times in interviews that Ngobila was inspired from Mabele. JF Ifongé is just stupid sometimes and always like to minimise people, while his own songs are mediocre and he doesn't sing well. People just listen to his songs to laugh.

Koffi Olomidé often openly said that the late Lutumba Simaro one of his idols next to Tabu Ley. He also said that he started to wear boubou's because of him, seeing the clothing-line as the one for nobles and intellectuals. Back in the early 80s Lutumba used to wear them often and even appeared on one of his LP's like that. But the young generation who was focused on La Sape didn't understand that and were mocking Koffi for it, thinking that he didn't knew how to wear those big brand clothes and calling him "mutu ya ba boubou". Emeneya would mock him his whole career for that. Until this day people say that it was because of Wenge that, Koffi switching from that style. Next for being mocked to wear boubou's, he was also mocked for wearing tailored clothes. Back then artists wear often wearing clothes that were oversized and youngsters thinking that it was cool, while it was because artists borrowed clothes or people stealing clothes that weren't of their size. That's also where the trend of wearing pants over the belly came. So when Koffi was performed with tailored clothes, youngsters had something like this guy doesn't know anything, while Koffi wanted to differentiate himself from artists that they used to call "voyou" and wanting to create a different image, of being an intellectual, a musician that speaks French well and who had finished school. Back in 1988, he came back in Kinshasa with a Porsche. But back at that time music-fans weren't focused on villa's and cars and bandleaders not having expensive cars. It's only when Wenge came back from Europe in 1991 that that trend of having expensive cars started.

What are you talking about JF Ifongé is one of the best singers in the genre?! I heard he was forced out of QL, because Fally and Mamale feared him.

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Aaah oyebi Mimiche Bass (RIP) te

I don't know what problem Mimiche Bass had with Lofombo, but in the few interviews he made, he was always ignoring him or minimise him, while he used to be one of his many understudies. I don't if Werrason thought WMM members to ignore and minimise their former mentors, because I saw that it is often the case with members of the 1st Maison Mere generation (Bill, Ferre, Lacoste, Adjani,..).



When Lofombo left Dymanique Asha, Mimiche was the one who replaced him. When Shora Mbemba's band split, he joined the camp of those who decided to leave Shora Mbemba. They recruited him, because he knew Lofombo's style and Lofombo often always participated in albums of his big brother Shora Mbemba. The same Mimiche Bass replaced Lofombo in Empire Bakuba when he left with Djuna Mumbafu and the guys of Delta Force after Pepe Kalle's death.


Mimiche Bass said that Lofombo was only playing one string and him playing bass like kingongolo, which was false. Yes, Lofombo was often playing one string like many bass-players of that time, since that it was a trend set by Oncle Bapius of Zaiko Langa Langa. But it was Lofombo who brought that style letting the bass talk during the sebene, following the voice of atalaku's, etc. Mimiche was just the person who copied that style. But he butcouldn't really impose it in Wenge, because of Flamme Kapaya not liking it, wanting to have less bass in sebenes.


With playing bass with one string I mean this (Lofombo didn't play on this show, but just to let you hear what I mean)



Lofombo's way of playing sebene (I just that I didn't Empire follow much, not knowing titles of many songs, so I did not pick the best songs where he really exposed his style). Try to listen the whole tracks









from 4:20 min (Espe Bass played this in Freddy Nelson and Motingia Tunga in one of the Zaiko tracks)




That's crazy that Flamme of all people didn't like Lofombo's style of bass, why? Because he wants the attention mostly on his solos or does he find that basslines too distracting. It seems like Japonais and Burkina Faso didn't mind

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https://www.discogs.com/artist/1563683-Mavungu

Here is 158 albums among those he's been on
if i am not mistaken his most recent contribution on congolese music is heritier's mi ange mi demon and mignon abraham's reworked version of his original(unreleased) solo album passe en or

R.I.P.

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This is fucking GARBAGE!!!

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Thanks.
Werra and WMM got a longer playtime than the other groups.

And Thierry Mongratana doesn't get enough credit as a good soloist. I don't think his stint in WMMM was his style.

I didn't really care for him as a soloist with Wemba, especially with the departure of Ramazani. I even believe Daddy Bola and Pitshou Santiago were superior in creativity.

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I only know that he had many songs of Syllart on his channel. It could be that Binetou Sylla the daugther of the late Ibrahima Sylla who's the now the head of Syllart Records, made the channel close by making copyright claims on videos. If I remember well, a youtube channel gets closed if more than 3 videos on the channel are reported. Franco Pépé Kalle had  separated songs of Avis de Recherche and Gardez Votre Souffle of Pepe Kalle (both produced by Syllart Records) on his channel, which may have created the bad luck of his channel being closed. It is not fair, because he started putting songs on his channel since 2010/11, Syllart wasn't on youtube yet.

Syllart made many channel being removed and videos taken down. She also took videos of Ingenieur's channel and put it on her channel, only removing the bottom side of the video to have Ingenieur name being removed from the video. Also making claims on original vinyl tracks on youtube of Dr Nico and Tabu Ley and just putting the cd-version of compilation albums on youtube.

What would be of Pepe Kalle if he never died? Would Cocktail still be successful? I feel like Delta Force got a boost, because of his passing. Could he actually compete against QL, Wenge, and Wemba?

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Has Fabregas always had a difficult personality like Reddy Amisi or did the success from his solo career ruin him? He seemed like such a cool guy back in WMMM and the first couple years of his solo career.

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True, he is such a talented atalaku! I'm surprised he stayed as long as he did with Wenge El Paris despite back to back flops

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Who was the paroler, Le Grand Mopao? LMAOOOO but in all seriousness, the songs 100% factual. A lot of women are out of control these days

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yes he knew him almost one year before,yes jb was upset because he had tasked people to look after him while they went to zenith,the plan was that he finishes his year of class and graduates from high school  then enters in the trip list as a  first team member being also majore by then but he got taken to maison mere since the news came to maison mere's guys that jb had a young promising singer but left him behind and the rest is history

Getting left behind was a blessing in disguise, because he wouldn't of have fit in with BCBG and likely he would have ended up like Dolin, Yondi, and the others with failed careers in Europe due to ngulu affaire.

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I like it its different from the ken mpiana and co or the usual style of types of 50 guests having the representatives of big guests stealing the time some of the minor guests paid for and things like that
here heritier is talking about his life from childhood to now and he says his real name is heritier kabeya kabanga and not kabeya bondongo(which is was forced to transform into that and with a older age as maison mere went to previous tour of bercy with a ngulu)
he grew up in bandal and was raised a lot by his grandmother and he was a brilliant student being at some point the best of his whole primary section and he started singing at church but he had not plan whatsoever then to become a musician and his mother when he moved back to her would not allow it anyways,his family was neither rich or extreme poor and if he actually could think about anything other than whatever job his longterm school cursus would send him towards,it was football he loved playing football and was playing in teams of various areas at the same time and he jokes that he understood the value of money early because teams were paying him to play one match with them,and he talks about his friend saisai who was president of a team and who at some point got tired of him refusing to play if he does not get paid and he went to hire other guys from outside their area but they were losing 2 0 nil  with 20  25 minutes to go and sai had no choice but to pay him and he came on and score two and assisted one and they won
despite the modest conditions his mother raised them in with no father she was paying class for everybody but he started not getting good results anymore as towards the end of high scool he discovered under influence of his friends that you could dress up go to school sing the national anthem before going in classes yet still not spending a second in class that day as his friends were skipping class to go have fun,and he did not realise he was doing something wrong since they were playing football instead of being in class so it was one thing he loves a lot against another  and he'd have to go to a friend's house and take a bath before  going home or he'd receive a good correction from his mother who was very strict
and it worsened when he really got into love of music from his rehearsals with the kibinda guys,and his time with bcbg where he failed class for a second time which got him even having to go live with a friend asmother was upset and he was now addicted to music
he talked about his personality saying he knows he is not the most perfect person,he's done a lot of bad things in his life  but at the same time he is also somebody  who is very kind and who loves sharing because he knows the feeling of having lacked things when he was younger,with age he tries to handle better his two radical opposites he has in him and hopefully he's doing it well
he was asked about three names and what they represent for him he was asked about saisai and talked about their past where sai was his club president and how they studied in same school  and that they do argue a lot because both are not guys who abandon a discussion early they'll argue till the end especially if convinced they are right so sometimes they fallout a bit but he loves him a lot
he got asked about fila basele and he says fila is somebody who encouraged him to take the mic when they were in kibinda nouvelle alliance(fila,fally,choumen and co) because he spotted some talent in him despite being younger than them all and he really is thinking these days about doing something symbolic to thank him for having indirectly paved way for his current career
and he got also asked about patou solo and he says patou and him were in church group together  and a little bit in the street groups
about his experience in maison mere  he says the process from his arrival to being left out in bercy tour in brazza was a blessing in disguise because he learned to improve as a singer in that period and to toughen up to the hardships of congolese music and when he arrived in double zenith he was already ready which is why he got straight away so much space for a first album appearance in a la queue leu leu because him and werra  worked a lot together and he could see that he was ready since for exemple over 10 vocals of kibuisa mpimpa were his which the guys sung and it gave him motivation to see that those older experience singers did his work instead of fully changeing
apart from the fact that he used to live with werra and that his talent the level of importance he got in the long run in the group was not a favor he was receiving but more of a reward because he really was totally invested in the group  and especially towards werra himself who was like a semi-god to him and he believes werra understood that he was one of the few who had a complete other level of emotional attachment to him,like kakol and sankara
and he recalls a scene when he convinced werra for a rare occasion to go to nightclub with him,and the nightclub was shaking as arrived and later on bcbg fans arrived after their concert and it was at the moment the kipala nzonzako generique was having a lot of success and it got played in the night club and the bcbg fans came to dance around werra in the vip zone and he was about to react  and werra told him not to do anything and acted like he belittled it but then when he left the nightclub as he had to go to sleep he said into his ears "i want to the hear the news "and when werra was gone he created a complete mess in the nightclub and those things were out of love,he could not stand anybody messing with werra like that so a lot of the fights he is notorious for were around things like that
he says  he was not too hurt when sankara used to attack him because he knew the system and he  knows how dangerous sankara can be when he has had strategic reunion with werra and received mission to execute
she tries going down the private life route asking him about his children and briefly tries to talk about heritier's youngest child who celebrated 1st anniversary recently and who he had with the girl of a friend who had a child with the mother of heritiana  but he did not let her develop to fully say that and she asked whether his children know about his career  and whether he'd allow his children to do music one day and he says he tried his absolute best to keep his children away from anything related to heritier the musician but his co-oldest daughter ketsia knows his music as she grew up listening to congolese music and he was shocked to hear his daughter heritiana sing bm which she surely learned from now hanging a lot with ketsia
but he insists he wishes they'd be totally away from him the musician because people can associate them to his mistakes or do whatever to them to hurt him because of their rivalries and he would be strongly against any of his children doing music
other than that he typically of late praised success of his album and some subtle shots at the two F's and an ironical answer to the other F about his comments and that he wanted to perform at stade des martyrs in june but the date ended up being given to the 4X4 reunion and he is more than happy for that but he'll still set a new date,and he is not afraid because he believes in himself and them wenge men know how it is to attract crowds for a big concert so he will make sure to do the promotion required even if he has to go to poor areas of kin street by street because in reality those big crowds come in majority from the modest people  which is why even when artists of our diaspora(gims dadju and co) come they perform at vip halls only because their music is more appreciated by the children of the rich people while the rumba artists its the opposite,you can never become big if you only have elite fans

So technically Heritier knew JB Mpiana longer than Werrason, because he was a member of PPU. Is that right? I wonder if JB Mpiana was upset when he joined Masion Mere

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I don't know that it was, because none of the guys talked about those tensions. Only the press releasing sometimes artciles about it. It already started in 2003. I only know that Jordan Kusa once shortly talked about it last year during his live with Lodia H20, saying that something went wrong between Koffi and them during the mourning of dancer Mireille Konde but he didn't want to go in the details.

Junior had nothing to do with it. He there already since 2002 along with Asso, being reverse-members and slowly getting their places in the band after hard work. Mirage had just a personal problem with Soleil, because of Soleil thinking that Koffi recruited him to get his place, which led to many confrontations, because he wasn't happy when he was doing his vocal at concerts and along with that Arabic vocal. It was also one of the reasons why Mirage left Quartier Latin early fearing Soleil. But the rest of Quartier Latin was cool with Mirage

So the rest of QL left because they suspected Koffi would clear them out due to Fally and Ferre departure or did they try to follow in their success?

I'm surprised that they had the courage to ask Koffi to record a solo album, especially with Fally leaving. Would it be fair to say that Fally leaving hurt Koffi more than Sam creating Academia? Because Koffi never regained confidence with his band again, he didn't have Beniko and others to keep him motivated to prove a point.

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Yeah. There are two versions about the project of Droit Chemin. First version is that he was mad about Koffi going to Europe with Ferre and him being approached by Wenge Maison Mere to join them as revenge, but him not wanting to join on a normal way. Him wanting first to get fired by Koffi by saying on tv that Koffi giving the authorization to work on his solo-album. Second version is that he already wanted to work on his album and in 2004, when there were already tensions in the group, asking about that to Koffi Olomide but Koffi reacting coldly, leaving him and Jordan Kusa behind for a trip to Zimbabwe. The moment when Ferre Gola joined, he saw it as a humilation, especially when both went to Europe, thinking that he would end up like Suzuki in 1998. So to get the sympathy from the people, he came on tv to say that Koffi authorized him to record an album, knowing that Koffi will fire him. Koffi was mad when hearing in Europe what Fally said on tv, but decided not to fire him, knowing to what it could be. At the end he finally accepted to let Fally work on his album, but behind the scenes he would do anything to block the recordings and release of the album. Somina had normally to produce his album, but he was threatened by gangsters sended by Koffi. When Fally decided to work with David Monsoh, he didn't name the producer to avoid losing once again an executive producer. When Koffi discovered that David Monsoh was about to produce Droit  Chemin he was really hurted, because David Monsoh was his enemy since the Monde Arabe-days, after working for a long time with him. Koffi did everything to block the release through a lawsuit behind the scenes, saying that David Monsoh hadn't the right to release of Droit Chemin because of Fally Ipupa having a contract with Quartier Latin. But he lost the case, because on paper Kiki Touré being the producer.

Fally Ipupa ended up by leaving Droit Chemin started slowly to have succes. In the first two months after the release he was about to stay in Quartier Latin. Thinking that the album had flopped and the public not reacting how it had to be. But when being in Kinshasa, the press started to promote the album very hard and Droit Chemin slowly becoming a succes. Guys like Shabani Records, the late Michel Lady Luya helping him out and him giving concerts. He was then adviced to lie that Koffi gave him green light to give concerts, in the hope that Koffi would be angry and fire which could lead to musicfans feeling pity for him. But Koffi already noticed that and started to make multiple interviews about it, saying that there were bad people influencing Fally. Sankara de Nkuta would often mock Koffi Olomide for being hurt about Fally and making multiple interviews. The succes of Fally would grow more with the months coming and him ending up having a contract with Bracongo/Skol and also a small europe tour in Europe along with Maika Munan, Ramazani, Pathy Moleso, Champion and co to promote Droit Chemin.



The famous interview of a hurt Koffi Olomidé

When Droit Chemin first came out, did you think Fally could break the curse of failed solo careers? (Alain Mpela, Sukuzi, ect.)

What was causing tension in QL since 2004? I know Bouro and Soleil had rivalry with Fally, but was it dude to new members too like Mirage and Junior?

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