<cite>@Sylvester said:</cite>
I blame all this on the artists themselves,i think they try to pull fast ones on the composers. A composer gives you something and you don't pay in full and stop taking their calls. The composer then sells the same song to someone else to teach you a lesson or he goes on tv saying he did that and he wasn't paid just like Eldorado did to Ferre who sampled Eldorado's songs,copied and then modified them without paying Eldorado. Mr Eldorado went on various tv stations complaining and saying he would release an album and it would have some of the songs in their original form not edited ones Ferre released.

ah yes i vaguely remember this being discussed on vibes d'afrique. that is HORRIBLE practice and it troubles me that this seems to be common practice among the big stars of congolese music.

i remember someone posting that a publishing company was being formed in the congo by some artists (i believe werrason was one of them) whatever the case is there definitely needs to be better regulation of these things on a legal level. i don't know what the laws are like in DRC but there definitely needs to be contract signing whenever songs are sold like this so that money exchanges hands before things are released. i find it kind of disgusting that this is how some of my favorite artists conduct business. it's sad.

also i don't blame the composers for going ahead and selling the song to others. if the first person they sold it to doesn't respect them enough to pay them then what they get is what they deserve.

well to blame the composer of the song would probably mean to burn bridges. he's been getting some pretty good songs that would be counterproductive lol it's better for him that he replied this way. this is that charisma i was talking about in the other thread. he knows (is confident in his talent and production) that you put him up against anyone else singing the same song he will make it more interesting, exciting, etc.

I personally like both versions of the song but for wide range appeal the producers of fally's version definitely captured the song better. he's not in any danger from losing the spot light over this.

Does fally write ANY songs? does he collaborate with the song writers? or is he strictly a vocalist who pulls out his guitar every so often?

that was really cool  8-)

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
kie kie kie ferre has an incredible voicez but like all the congolese stars he sings sometimes strange things and pick strange song titles
throughout the song he makes mystical hints,and pakajuma is ghetto of kinshasa where 3/4 of the population are prostitutes,drug addicts and stuff like that,it's nicknamed Kinshasa's Sodom

interesting

good luck with that.

<cite>@archos said:</cite>
charisma is a massive smokescreen for congolese musicians (or for musicians in general)
ferre and fally emerged like the leaders of the new generation and  i think we can now see with them the bad side of leadership we see with koffi,jb,werra and co
they have a almost 100 per cent granted  success for whatever they release,but then you have many artists who release better albums and then no success

but is that fally and ferre's fault? or the fans? or the industry (which makes it hard for most artists to record with good executive production and mixing etc)? i think it is unfair to place blame on them for what happens to other artists.
also charisma is not just a smoke screen but a great part of being an artist. people who have none very rarely make it as artists/musicians/singers/entertainers. maybe some of these other musicians so re-examine their personalities and try to embody more charisma like fally and ferre.

i don't understand why they can not exist at the same time. this question is not necessarily directed at you oj. this has just been on my mind. they both fill unique places in the landscape of congolese music. one kind of shaping themselves in the shadow of the more 'traditional' forefathers (ferre) and one who is determined to make congolese music that appeals to a wide range of people and not in a cheap way (fally). when i read comments under their videos on youtube there is always a heated debate between the two factions of fans that is reduced to the trading of insults (this isn't unique to fally and ferre fans i'm just saying)e. i like both artists a whole lot. i haven't had a chance to hear the whole boite noir yet though i look forward to it. from what i've heard so far i am excited to hear the rest.

power kosa leka is very good to me. it has some boring songs here and there but for me every fally album has a few songs i just don't like for whatever reason. he has so many songs on the album that a fally ipupa fan would be hard pressed to be dissatisfied with this effort.

anyway i understand comparison and competition is natural i just hope that these matters can be discussed with civility. i believe one can disagree passionately without trying to hurt another's feelings or argue to the point of being angry. that's my two cents.