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The generic of the album with Brigade, Roi David and Prince d'Angola. Celeo refused to participate to the recordings like Flamme Kapaya. Werrason was for hours in the studio for them, but they didn't show up, which him angry. It was like they wanted to sabotate his album, since that they were recording inthe last days of the tour.

The album was recorded in 2007 during the Europe-tour with help from French football-player Nicolas Anelka. Werrason invited the French rappers Youssoupha and Pit Bacardi. Sony BMG was supposed to release the album Simply the best of vol. 1 "Sans Poto". Werrason wanted to start his "worldmusic" career with this album. Problems in thale band with Heritier, Celeo & Flamme Kapaya and unhappy musicians led to the delay of the album. The album was released in the summer of 2009, one month before Techno Malewa vol. 1. It flopped very hard. Most song would be re-recorded and used for the Sans Poto album of 2016. I remember that JB Mpiana was attacking Werrason in 2009 Or 2008 that he could never do a Simply the Best album, because that shows that you are finished.

Who said they were?

Them self in interviews saying that they are the one who started recording songs of 4, 5 & 3 minutes.

Congolese Music / What did Fabregas say in this interview
« on: November 19, 2017, 23:33 »
I don't like to listen anymore to his interviews, since he clashed Fally in his interview with Papy Mboma

When our music started in the '40s the songs had always been 3, 4 or 5 minutes long. In started to change in 70's. With bands like OK Jazz starting to produce songs who were longer than 5 min and the youngsters of that time (Zaiko, etc.) having songs where they started singing, followed by sebene, sinning and sebene again to close the song

Congolese Music / Re: Is the time of long generics over ?
« on: November 19, 2017, 23:16 »
I had put Decollage, because for me it marked as the end of that long generic trend.

Here he got the longest generic ever, made by Zaiko who innovated our music by bringing atalaku's.

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 19, 2017, 18:52 »
^ lol, Franco was the biggest African vedette of the 70's-80's. No African artist will ever be as big as he was. He was getting golden discs and Maracas d'or award when such things were unheard of for DRC artists. He even got an honorary citizen award from the city of Atlanta, GA when he came to the US.

That song, Kimpa Kisangameni scared everyone (myself included) when they first heard it, then people grew accustomed to it. All his releases were the talk of the town, in the 80's especially

I still don't understand why the European press portreted Papa Wemba as the Greatest Congolese Artist ever. While Luambo Makiadi and Tabu Ley had done more in their music-career than him.

Congolese Music / Is the time of long generics over ?
« on: November 19, 2017, 17:30 »
Is the time of long generics over ? The trend started after the succes of Werrason's Alerte Generale with everybody from Kinshasa wanting to record generics of more than 10 minutes. The trend of on his peak with the succes of Sous Sol. Then Werrason came with the Malewa-concept, which was recording 2 versions for a generic, one sebene-version (mecanique) and one coupe decale-version (automatique). In the hope to counter the Coupe Decale-virus. The succes of Folklore-bands, DJ's based in Kinshasa & Brazzaville made some artists even record generics without the lead-guitar. The trend came to a end, with the succes of Fally Ipupa's Original and the succes of Fabregas's Mascara made people bash Werrason's Decollage of Fleche Ingeta with people being fed of generics who were longer than 10 min and suffering a little bit of inferiority complex, due to Trace Urban-music channel.

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 19, 2017, 08:16 »

I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.

Yea, they were all sharing the same group of women, so it took lots of people out eventually. The same women sharing still happens today, probably modern medication is what a little difference
Wow it is sad, nothing much to say... I always thought Zaiko, Tabu and the others were clean hut I guess it is just human nature...

Hahahaha no, no, no. The founder of Zaiko D.V. Muanda was big a "ndoki", Tabu Ley & Luambo Makiadi were scared of him. Evoloko who was before's Wemba breakthrough the biggest star of Zaiko and the 3d generation was his carreer long blocked by him. D.V. Muanda always said "mutu oyo ako longwa Zaiko ako kende mosika te". He had done many sacrifices for Zaiko. There was no one from Zaiko who came far in his solo career, except Papa Wemba who became a customary chief in 1977 and Bozi Boziana who was produced by Verckys . Evoloko was long time protected by Verckys, when he formed Langa Langa Stars with his friends, but started to be attacked when he left Verckys-recordlabel. Since that people from Zaiko didn't want to see him succeed. Bands like ISIFI Lokole, ISIFI Melodia and Yoka Lokole were killed in no time, by people of Zaiko throwing "nkisi" on places were they were performing and houses where they were living. Evoloko suffered alot of them since that he was seen as the most talented artist of the 3d generation. 

from 8: 56 min Evoloko is explainig why he returned in 1978 to Zaiko. Saying that at a moment he was started to get ill often, suffering "maladi ya mpese" many times and they then discovered that DV Muanda wasn't happy the way he left his band and started to block him with nkisi and attacking him spiritually. So the said to him that it's better to return to Zaiko if he wanted to move forward in his career, since that his wings were there.

 Nyoka Longo was in the past seen as a big "ndoki", but people are starting to forget it, since that Zaiko doesn't have a big impact like in the '70's, '80s and '90s. The Zaiko-split of 1988 was partly because of that. Because guys like Ilo Pablo weren't enough paid and started to complain with Nyoka Longo saying that if they want to be paid enough they had to do sacrifices like him, which they then refused.

Tabu Ley was is the most stingy artist ever. He never paid his musicians. Papa Wemba who was then on the heigt of his career signed a 1 year contract with him and joined then his band, but return after 6 months to his own band Viva. Because Tabu Ley didn't pay him. Tabu Ley's career was marked by many departures and shot-off bands (Afrizam, Les Maquisards, etc.) because of that, who were then killed by himself, his friend Luambo Makiadi or Verckys Kiamungana, who didn't want to see them dominating the music-scene. Guys like Ntesa Dalienst, Sam Manguana, Josky Kiambukuta, Ndombe Opetum could have a better career if they weren't blocked by him. Guys from the 3d Generation also suffered alot. In the past you had a band called Thu Zahina, who was then bigger than bigger than Zaiko. But it was killed by Luambo Makiadi and Verckys, who saw them as a big treat.

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 18, 2017, 13:48 »
^ @manzambi, not meant as an insult but you still have a loooot to learn about the history of Congolese music. I mean it really shows with how you're still deeply offended by one situation. (It's also getting tiring hearing the same thing in every Koffi thread).

Once again, I'm not defending anyone and as @mvulusi stated the things "legends" have done make Koffi's situation look soft. The genre's father figures like Franco and Tabu Ley are legitimately the most wicked African musicians ever in terms of what they did for success, destroying families, and deep kindoki polemics. Towards the end of his life, Franco made a song begging people to stop the kindoki.

Here's a snippet of a story my uncle told me about 2-3rd generation musicians very long ago - He said that artists and/or politicians in polemic would send people to purposely give rivals AIDS.

Now that is truly shocking because it makes me think of the all the artists and powerful Zaire people who died of the disease in the 80's-90's. Even people like Saddam Kongulu Mobutu who died in '98 - the powerful son of Mobutu

I friend said that all members of Zaiko who died in the 90's (Zamuagana, Baroza, Shiro Shiro, Alpha Kopeya, etc.) died from AIDS, because of having not protected relations with the wives and girlfriends of powerful politicians.

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 17, 2017, 20:55 »
I have a feeling Koffi will do something with Dalida, that girl who was interviewen him.  :D

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 17, 2017, 20:28 »
This house is so different then it was in 1995, when he left Bandalungwa to live there.

Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 17, 2017, 20:24 »
Koffi is missing ONE thing to extend even more his legendary status,doing stuff for other people
i think sports is the only field were people became legends basically doing thing for themselves, in all the rest some people became legends for doing things which had massive impact on people while koffi jb and werra who are the three remaining legends people easily identify themselves too are too almost NOTHING outside from themselves
so for the young artists succeeding in music has become getting wealthy and become arrogant and nothing more because of the model they have above( for most)
Werra maboko makasi eee
Anyway I agree with you Archos and you know well how much I do not like thes e guys in their personal lives, mostly because of this also like Ferre said: "you wanna be a leader but his many houses you have built for other people, how many schooled you have made so young people can go there?"
Same for Werra I mean how can these guys praise Werrason just for having a good ear in music
Eboa, Kene Kene, Celeo, Bill, Ferre, Brigade and many others are the guys who suffered by Werra's arrogance and stinginess
Eboa and Kene Kene made 8 months if I don't go wrong in Kin without a cent from their boss because he went on tour, Celeo and Bill with that money thing over some Serra's staff, Ferre's mom insulted like Ferre did nothing in Wenge by the clown Sankara without Serra telling anything and Brigade basically almost killed by Heritier's friends without Werra doing nothing to punish Heritier, I can never admire this guys and then how many times Werra slept with dancers along with Hus pal Koffi, even though they are married? It is disgusting.
I am still shocked by the way Koffi treated CNN and his girlfriend
Hahahhahaha that story about CNN is nothing. If you hear the stories of Papa Wemba, Tabu Ley, JB Mpiana, Franco Luambo, Ferre Gola & Fally Ipupa you not more listen to Congolese music.

Congolese Music / Koffi Olomide showing his house
« on: November 17, 2017, 18:55 »

Modogo was in fally's prince de southfolk and Ali debs from ultimatum. If I'm not mistaken he made his debut on Magie.

yeah, Koffi gave him even the chance to put a song in Magie called Sylvekou


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