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Congolese Music / Underrated / Forgotten Legends
« Last post by BrazzaBoy on March 19, 2019, 20:17 »
Im currently listen to grand pere bozi right now checking out whats abailable on apple music. First time ever listening to him and his albums and im quite impressed. I feel like he’s one of our unsung heroes. We always hear of madilu, defao, debaba and the likes but I feel like bozi doesnt get his credit. Correct me if im wrong but was bozi one of the most popular acts late 80s early 90s and then started dying down?

Anyways who do you feel are some of our unsung heroes that you feel dont get praised enough not just on the forum but in everyday life when we’re listening to old music with our parents families and such
« Last post by archos on March 19, 2019, 20:16 »
no,genta,chai and bikou had no problem,caludji aswell it was mainly targetting rio kibens jdl seguin and mukena a little bit
yeah somehow they play a good role aswell as the traditional dancers who disappeared after bercy
Congolese Music / Re: WHO IS THIS?
« Last post by archos on March 19, 2019, 20:13 »
a singer from ferre's label
Congolese Music / WHO IS THIS?
« Last post by shamala on March 19, 2019, 19:57 »
Congolese Music / Re: Joining bands
« Last post by SLK97 on March 19, 2019, 19:50 »
You shoulda took out Wenge and QL to make it more even. Thats like asking people what spanish club would you sign to then listing 10 clubs including Barca and Real Madrid lol everybody is going to logically vote for those.

OT, but I'd play for Atletico Madrid, Valencia and Sevilla ;D.
Congolese Music / Re: Joining bands
« Last post by SLK97 on March 19, 2019, 19:49 »
If I was talking about the bands of my generation, as Mr JV put it, I would join Quartier Latin (mid to late 90s-early 00s) and Maison Mere (D.T.D.B, that is). I wouldn't want to drum for WMM though ;D, I'd play second fiddle to Kakol. I'd also choose late 90s Wenge Kumbela (Aime Buanga's band) as well.

If we were talking about bands that peaked before I was born, I'd join Victoria, El Paris or pre-split Zaiko.
« Last post by Manzambi94 on March 19, 2019, 19:49 »
I will never understand why people hate Ferré ...
It is down to fathers, Congolese people see Ferre as the disrespectful son that not only left Werra in the moment on need, but also got to the guy that (at the time) was the enemy, so people are thinking that Ferre should straight kneel down to Werra like Fabro did to be having the same credit and respect that Fally has. From the other part Fally is the gilden child of Koffi, the guy who always behaved well and when he left, he never said officially that he left, but always said I have one foot in and one foot out, ans even though Fally got rejected by MM in the beginning he never went to Werra's orchestra, almost humiliating Werra and other old leaders when Droit Chemin's success came, the reason Fally hates Ferre is very simple. Ferre was a Maison Mere members and Fally was not, and furthermore, not only Fally wasn't in Maison Mere, but all of a sudden Ferre (who were considered the best singer ever at that time) joins Quartier Latin and the boss Fally consider like his father (Koffi) not only accept him but make him the big star.
Despite what Fally wants to show in public, he is actually very insecure and the continuos hints and atten0s to mock Ferre are an example, I mean, why the hell Fally have to mock Ferre if he is the biggest guy now? Simply because he is insecure.
Who told you such rubbish
Lol. I won't even amswer, Fally fans cannot accept truth
Ehh So Emo has been right the entire time about the older generation.  So they're also partly to blame for the Europe ban by making the original ppu stay there. I've got a few questions was every single person from the first team targeted? Cause some older guys like Bikou, Richard mukena and co started leaving one by one was it due to fan pressure? I know Richard left cause of his relationship but did the fans pressure him too? And same with Bikou?
Congolese Music / Re: Koffi Olomide is free
« Last post by Mirobexx on March 19, 2019, 19:08 »
He better not do anything stupid now.He is just lucky that girl he beat up was in Africa otherwise he would be inside.
« Last post by archos on March 19, 2019, 19:08 »
as everybody knows,after wenge musica 4X4 split,jb mpiana will have on his side 90 per cent of the group,but quickly due to leadership issues and due to everygrowing list of concerts and tours a new recruitment is well needed
and this is why will be created the concept of PPU(president's protection unity),in other words a reserve section of wenge bcbg ready to step in when needed
singers jules kibens,rio de janeiro,chai ngenge,heritier,guitarists alba,zygal and sunda bass are among the first members and by 1999 most of that first crop of les PPU will become members of first team,with jb mpiana having then to hire new members to keep the concept of reserve team alive
the new generation of les PPU will be a mix between unproven musicians,few who could not make it in big groups and a good number of members of the collapsing wenge kumbela
and quickly they will start to impress in concerts whenever they are given a chance to showcase their talents
in 2001 while they are about to get a chance in the biggest stage of congolese music which is european tours,tensions start to appear between them and some of the older members who feel threatened
they will still be part of the humongous list of bercy concert and will shine there,and will be meant to record 6 songs together in the future group album anti-terro
but as the tour goes on tensions start to grow further and older generation convince the leader jb mpiana to let them remain in europe so that they can improve their looks and really feel the privilege of being in a big group,while in reality some hope that the young guys will disappear in "dreamland" europe but whenever wenge bcbg come back to europe they are around
in the meantime,in kinshasa,jb mpiana tasks gentamicine lisimo in who he senses good recruitment skills to find some other musicians(plus some who come individually for tests) who can fill in for the now europe-based ppu and who can start concerts and get a chance to be discovered when the boss is on stage in a one by one impro on an old wenge musica song
and when in late 2002 early 2003 jb mpiana returns to kinshasa on his own for a playback and a concert,he trusts that new team to step in quickly and honour contract and go back to europe ASAP and that new group will shine so much that out of excitment some chegues will remove their coats or shoes and give it to the musicians and most of them will go home with 100 150 dollars which is for them,and at that time,a lot of money
the news of their stellar performance reaches the older generation and when jb goes again on his own to perform at fikin the young guys shine again and to his surprise the old generation all ask to return after hearing again the news,and they will all return with the plan to prepare planned concert at zenith in kinshasa while jb initially wanted them to prepare concert in europe with the europe ppu counting on the motivation of the ppu after experiencing the" dream of europe" for a good while to produce exciting choreographies for the concert
and while the europe PPU are waiting for the group's return for the big concert,the old generation aka armee rouge will face stiff competition from the PPU of kin,so much that in a concert in brazzaville,they'll start concert from the first second instead of letting the young guys start and when jb wants to start the traditional PPU song gentamicine tells him in his ears that the young guys had been banned from stage so some event went outside hall to smoke or do matolo and it makes jb so angry that he literally orders the whole group of armee rouge except the keyboard players to leave stage and the PPU of kin completed the 2 remaining hours of concert with jb taking few seconds between songs to give them tips for how to play songs they are normally not used to sing
when the group is back in kinshasa,the chief of discipline seguin tries to suspend genta but the suspension is lifted the same day when jb is informed
while they are few weeks away from zenith,the group is denied visas and informed they will serve a long europe ban due to ngulu affair,so now more than ever the two groups will be forced to coexist and jb mpiana will hold a reunion to try to solve definitely thoses issues between the two generations
and as a symbol he announces that the PPU of kin will participate to album anti-terro as well as refusing to go and perform at zenith with the europe PPU to avoid creating even more problems
it coincides with the period in which the older generation get really really close to him as they unite around him in his personal and professional tough times which are starting
the europe PPU who feel completely abandoned decide to record together having heard the PPU of kin will also record their own album and officially leave wenge bcbg,fearing they might have lost their songs to them since the group can not come to record in europe
during recording of anti-terro some little tensions will appear again as due to singer djino giving rude responses to sound enginner and arranger,guitarist pathy moleso when he asks to add some of the  remaining mabanga list of the instrumentists on their song and to punish them paty molesso decides to pretend their files have disappeared,and jdl who went back to kinshasa with him fully supports that idea,him who like maintaining the old wenge spirit of elders bullying younger ones
 and one year or so after recording of album,many fans start to protest against older generation,in an operation started by people from europe(including the man who writes this topic lol),with the idea to kick out majority of the older generation in order to compete better with the two rival groups wenge maison mere and quartier latin(my idea was to separate the groups,the older for the boring VIPs,the younger for the public concerts for example)
tutu caludji who feels he could get his position safe by appearing like a mentor to the young generation starts on his own to come much earlier at concerts and sing with the younger generation and asking to fans to clap for them but its not well seen by some other guys who will use it to unsettle him in the group until he leaves,while they do everything they can to brainwash their leader that he should only trust them off and on stage since the younger ones never really proved him they love him,while they stuck by his side in good and bad moments
genta who openly sides even more with the younger generation advises them not to go for  clash with the older anymore so that they can more easily break barriers to first team
and it is what start to happen,with a couple of events jb will use to try solve for ever the conflict
in fact,in a public concert,he'll make sure the traditional impro song of the young guys is three times longer than usual in order to please fans but when the older guys step in again they are heavily booed and he decides to restart the impro of younger guys then call all bcbg musicians on stage and ask them to hold each other by the hand and insists there is only one BCBG,not two rival groups of one same leader
few days/week after,protests will reach a whole new level with fans literally throwing stones and wood at some of the guys and physically assaulting them and when a big stone is thrown on stage for the first time during jb's presence,jb decides singlehandedly to stop concert and go back home and says if fans cant show minimum respect to their artists despite disagreement they are not true fans
he will from then make a radical decision to stop public rehearsals to protect his group members, one will himself once have to hold an angry fan who wanted to assault kibens and asks him"if you have a brother who works and did nothing particularly wrong,will you find his boss fair if he fires him?" and the guy responds no
in the meantime rival groups make heavy attacks towards the group and jb will use it strategically in order to appease protests by claiming its fans of other artists who came to cause havoc because their own groups are in meltdown and they dont like how stable bcbg appears from the outside
and luckily for him it works wonders with the younger generations getting more and more time in concerts and makes a strong decision by taking the three most popular of them djino,fudji and abraham on the europe tour after ban and they are the ones who return with the most gifts
satisfied by the success and attitude of the younger guys,jb mpiana plans to record an album with songs of younger artists "to test them and see who deserves to participate on his solo album" but his idea does not go too well with older artists who already did not have enough songs on previous album quel est ton probleme,and to appease sulking musicians he decides to make it a complete group album soyons serieux but decides he wont make extra promotion efforts for any of the musician and not to participate in most songs because first he is unhappy with the continuous little conflicts but also he does not want to appear like "over promoting" one at expense of another
in other words like himself will explain he prefers a team of guys fighting for the common cause which is bcbg rather than a group with strong egos,promoted heavily by the boss but fighting for egoistic interests and he will also indirectly admit he is not too keen to promote too seriously musicians anymore after the way it ended with alain mpela and caludji who left him and went to be supported heavily by his enemy didi kinuani and that he does not want around him guys who think they are bigger than the group(EG djino's case)
album will be released and two years after there is another possibility of zenith in december of 2013 But it fails due to combattants pressure
and the possibility of another long europe ban threatens group's stability as european tours are vital for group members to near proper satisfaction to their needs
so in bcbg and most other groups,many artists start to ponder solo projects as plan b to hopefully earn similar money than on europe tours
jb thinking authorization to do solo albums in bcbg will avoid trouble keeps insisting that everybody has the right as long as its not behind his back,but one album will cause long term chaos in bcbg,the album passe en or jb himself decides to offer to  mignon abraham
in fact,not only will he give authorization but he'll fund many sessions and make sure abraham gets personal visas and quickly longterm european papers to go and record in europe also,and it will frustrate some of the older musicians while they do not know the other guys who had an album project were offered the same and chose to record in kinshasa and use the money elsewhere
and to make it worse,big majority of abraham's album will be done with younger guys and in order to unsettle abraham a bit,they secretly send their spy atshuda to follow closely abraham behind the scenes and they will get the info that he rehearses those songs of album withsome of the younger musicians and some guys of the usual private groups of musicians of big groups to work outside group rehearsals
and to influence jb they will transform it into abraham preparing a rebel group secretly,and insist so much that jb starts taking more time to fund him plane tickets or give him some money for studio
one event will massively help them as abraham who takes a couple of colleagues to a bar to meet donors is invited on stage by the interpretation group performing and invites his colleagues on stage aswell and it is reported to jb as him having taken musicians for a solo concert since it was a live concert and not a playback which was kinda normal
in the meantime,those influent older guys convince jb mpiana not to hurry for release since they have already received their money for songs,they are not especially craving song success to survive,also because younger guys have plans of solo career while they are loyal to him
so it ends up in several young guys leaving,but the conflicts seem to have been solved now as there is much more rotation on stage and much less conflict within the group and all are eager to make a positive impression to people with next album

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