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Congolese Music / Re: BALUBA HAVE REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES
« Last post by shamala on Today at 19:01 »
Hehehe following the election
a) they are proud to identify themselves
b)  they are speaking their mother tongue
c) they are dancing or singing mutwashi
Eeeiiish.... I now know about katanga, mulumba wetu etc.

BTW it is with a light touch????????????????

Misspoke... It is Kasai and not Katanga
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Congolese Music / Re: BALUBA HAVE REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES
« Last post by Manzambi94 on Today at 17:59 »
Yes. Thats also why Mobutu wanted to bring him to Mbuji Mayi after that he betrayed him. Thinking that they lynch him there, but Albert Kalonji refused, because he saw him as his brother despite all those problems (they used to be in the same party before they split). Then after that they decided to bring him to Katanga where he was tortured months long and then killed in a small village.
Wow that's a shock to me, so he was like those Belgians he used to despise
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Congolese Music / Re: BALUBA HAVE REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES
« Last post by mvulusi96 on Today at 17:39 »
Yes. Thats also why Mobutu wanted to bring him to Mbuji Mayi after that he betrayed him. Thinking that they lynch him there, but Albert Kalonji refused, because he saw him as his brother despite all those problems (they used to be in the same party before they split). Then after that they decided to bring him to Katanga where he was tortured months long and then killed in a small village.
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Congolese Music / Re: IS THAT CHRISTIAN MWEPU ON RHYTHM?
« Last post by shamala on Today at 17:34 »
i think he asked that because of bill ya christian mabanga mema biso toleka shoutout followed by a dominant rhythm
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Congolese Music / Re: IS THAT CHRISTIAN MWEPU ON RHYTHM?
« Last post by Wenge1995 on Today at 16:56 »
@mvulusi96

If nobody has heard from him since Palais du Peuple, he probably quit music as a profession.

Usually musicians would either be recruited elsewhere or become a session musican, but it seems like he may have not have been lucky enough for either to happen.
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Congolese Music / Re: BALUBA HAVE REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES
« Last post by Manzambi94 on Today at 16:56 »
You got two different baluba's. You have Balubakat, who live in Katanga (Haut-Lomani & Tanganyika district). They speak Swahili & Kiluba (which is diffrent from Tshiluba). Laurent-Desire Kabila was a mulubakat. The other baluba's are Baluba-Kasai, they speak Tshiluba. Their ground is Kasai Oriental, they migrated there in the 17th century when there was alot of dryness in Katanga. When they went to Kasai they met other tribes (Bakuba, Binji, etc.) and with the years going on their languague Kiluba developed into Tshiluba. During the colonisation alot went to Kananga in Kasai-Occident (the Lulua-district), wth them as point becoming even the majority which didn't please the Lulua. Then when the independence came close,the Belgian wanted to create a civil-war in Congo with them creating division everywhere and that also happened in Kasai. The Lulua created the association "Les freres Lulua", because they felt that they would lose their identity and ground with the Baluba-Kasai dominting them everywhere. From 1959 the Lulua started to kill baluba's in Kananga. The lulua's and Baluba were even fighting in Kinshasa. Albert Kalonji decided at some point to create the South Kasai-Empire to protect the Baluba's, because of Lumumba and Kasa-Vubu doing nothing. He was then supported by multinationals who wanted to get diamonds there. But then Mobutu & Lumumba decided to bomb Mbuji-Mayi which killed alot of people and it made alot of Baluba hate Lumumba. But alot of people already forgot that story. The secession only lasted 2 years (1960-1962). After that the Lulua and Baluba made peace. I guess that Bill Clinton Kalonji got the inspiration of the Mbuji Mayi-Kananga animation from there. The Baluba's living Kananga are a little bit diffrent from those living in Kasai-Oriental who are very conservative. 

Back in the late 80's of the 19th century when the Belgians just started the colonisation and the years after it they brought alot of Baluba-Kasai to Katanga as punishment, because of them being against the colonisation. That's why you got alot of Baluba-Kasai in Katanga. But people living in Katanga (Bemba, Aruund "Lunda", Balubakat) don't like them, because they dominate all the business there. Back in 1991 and 1992 you had there a massacre instrumentalisted by Mobutu, Nguz Karl I Bond and Kyungu Wa Ku Mwanza, with alot of Baluba-Kasai returning to Kasai. It also happened in 1960, when Moise Tshombe proclaimed the indepedence of Katanga. Alot of Baluba-Kasai returned then to Kasai, but they didn't knew Tshiluba only Shwahili because of them living more than 50 years in Katanga. This all made the elders living in Kasai deciding that all Baluba's have to learn Tshiluba everywhere where they are and all generation to not forget their roots. But alot of them living in Kinshasa and Europe only talk Lingala.
Lumumba did bomb innocent people for real? O.O
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Congolese Music / Re: IS THAT CHRISTIAN MWEPU ON RHYTHM?
« Last post by mvulusi96 on Today at 15:00 »


from 23:24 min next to Flamme Kapaya

If am not wrong is he playing mi-solo?

No he plays rhythm. Back in those days, Maison Mere didn't use the mi-solo,only during their concert at RTNC during that VSS-show. After that they used that spot once on Bercy and the first day of Double Zenith. The mi-solo spot became permanent in 2004 when Thierry Mogratana started to be accepted.

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Congolese Music / Re: IS THAT CHRISTIAN MWEPU ON RHYTHM?
« Last post by shamala on Today at 14:52 »


from 23:24 min next to Flamme Kapaya

If am not wrong is he playing mi-solo?
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Congolese Music / Re: IS THAT CHRISTIAN MWEPU ON RHYTHM?
« Last post by mvulusi96 on Today at 14:40 »
From 05:39


No, Christian Mwepu used to be a bassplayer. The guy on the rhythm is Guylain Mpungi.

Hehehe schooled.  I have never heard of Guylain Mpungi. If any one has his story or video kindly post

He joined in Maison Mere in 1997 with Flamme Kapaya & Celeo, the three guys came from Golden Tchatcho which used to be Duc Herode's band. Then he participated to all concerts of Maison Mere from the start at bar vis-a-vis until their farewhel concert at l'Esplanade de Palais du Peuple in 1999. After that Werrason left him behind with other musicians and he then left. From then nobody heard something about him.


from 23:24 min next to Flamme Kapaya
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Congolese Music / Re: BALUBA HAVE REDISCOVERED THEMSELVES
« Last post by mvulusi96 on Today at 14:26 »
You got two different baluba's. You have Balubakat, who live in Katanga (Haut-Lomani & Tanganyika district). They speak Swahili & Kiluba (which is diffrent from Tshiluba). Laurent-Desire Kabila was a mulubakat. The other baluba's are Baluba-Kasai, they speak Tshiluba. Their ground is Kasai Oriental, they migrated there in the 17th century when there was alot of dryness in Katanga. When they went to Kasai they met other tribes (Bakuba, Binji, etc.) and with the years going on their languague Kiluba developed into Tshiluba. During the colonisation alot went to Kananga in Kasai-Occident (the Lulua-district), wth them as point becoming even the majority which didn't please the Lulua. Then when the independence came close,the Belgian wanted to create a civil-war in Congo with them creating division everywhere and that also happened in Kasai. The Lulua created the association "Les freres Lulua", because they felt that they would lose their identity and ground with the Baluba-Kasai dominting them everywhere. From 1959 the Lulua started to kill baluba's in Kananga. The lulua's and Baluba were even fighting in Kinshasa. Albert Kalonji decided at some point to create the South Kasai-Empire to protect the Baluba's, because of Lumumba and Kasa-Vubu doing nothing. He was then supported by multinationals who wanted to get diamonds there. But then Mobutu & Lumumba decided to bomb Mbuji-Mayi which killed alot of people and it made alot of Baluba hate Lumumba. But alot of people already forgot that story. The secession only lasted 2 years (1960-1962). After that the Lulua and Baluba made peace. I guess that Bill Clinton Kalonji got the inspiration of the Mbuji Mayi-Kananga animation from there. The Baluba's living Kananga are a little bit diffrent from those living in Kasai-Oriental who are very conservative. 

Back in the late 80's of the 19th century when the Belgians just started the colonisation and the years after it they brought alot of Baluba-Kasai to Katanga as punishment, because of them being against the colonisation. That's why you got alot of Baluba-Kasai in Katanga. But people living in Katanga (Bemba, Aruund "Lunda", Balubakat) don't like them, because they dominate all the business there. Back in 1991 and 1992 you had there a massacre instrumentalisted by Mobutu, Nguz Karl I Bond and Kyungu Wa Ku Mwanza, with alot of Baluba-Kasai returning to Kasai. It also happened in 1960, when Moise Tshombe proclaimed the indepedence of Katanga. Alot of Baluba-Kasai returned then to Kasai, but they didn't knew Tshiluba only Shwahili because of them living more than 50 years in Katanga. This all made the elders living in Kasai deciding that all Baluba's have to learn Tshiluba everywhere where they are and all generation to not forget their roots. But alot of them living in Kinshasa and Europe only talk Lingala.
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