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Title: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on June 23, 2021, 17:46
Which of the following has been the successful third Wenge act behind JB Mpiana and Werrason among the two here?

Adolphe Dominguez or Blaise Bula.

I would say Adolphe Dominguez but about you guys?
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Mfumu Vata on June 23, 2021, 17:48
Marie Paul
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 23, 2021, 17:51
Come on now you can’t compare the two Adolphe played at Olympia had a successful Europe tour, Played at Fikin and other open areas in Kin. His group Tonya Tonya was on fire in 2001 from 2002, he was the 5th guy behind the big 4. Whilst Blaise disappeared from the scene in 2000 only popping out here and there. So you can’t compare the two, but if we’re talking about better albums then that’s a better comparison.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 23, 2021, 17:55
Marie Paul
Marie Paul had a really good run in the 90s it’s just unfortunate that his run didn’t continue in the 2000s and those Wenge EL Paris concerts are so rare other wise he’d get more respect.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on June 23, 2021, 17:55
Marie Paul
I meant from within Wenge 4x4 group. But Marie Paul did have high success at one point.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 23, 2021, 17:56
Marie Paul
I meant from within Wenge 4x4 group. But Marie Paul did have high success at one point.
Marie Paul was in Wenge 4x4
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: SLK97 on June 23, 2021, 17:58
Answering this question is too easy. Adolphe.


Wenge Tonya Tonya were major competitors to the big 4 and even gave Maison Mere a run for their money, Affaire Tonya Tonya was a success in Kin and Adolphe was essentially on course to become a major bandleader and would've done so if it wasn't for Tonya Tonya falling apart. I don't think Blaise's album was really successful at the time.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on June 23, 2021, 18:03
Come on now you can’t compare the two Adolphe played at Olympia had a successful Europe tour, Played at Fikin and other open areas in Kin. His group Tonya Tonya was on fire in 2001 from 2002, he was the 5th guy behind the big 4. Whilst Blaise disappeared from the scene in 2000 only popping out here and there. So you can’t compare the two, but if we’re talking about better albums then that’s a better comparison.
Which of two made better albums in your view CM Prince?
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 23, 2021, 18:06
Come on now you can’t compare the two Adolphe played at Olympia had a successful Europe tour, Played at Fikin and other open areas in Kin. His group Tonya Tonya was on fire in 2001 from 2002, he was the 5th guy behind the big 4. Whilst Blaise disappeared from the scene in 2000 only popping out here and there. So you can’t compare the two, but if we’re talking about better albums then that’s a better comparison.
Which of two made better albums in your view CM Prince?
In my opinion Blaise Bula, all 3 of Blaise’s albums are too good proper Wenge. Whilst with Adolphe after Mouna his albums have been forgettable, with just a million Voyage remixes lol
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Mfumu Vata on June 23, 2021, 18:37
Marie Paul
I meant from within Wenge 4x4 group. But Marie Paul did have high success at one point.

Marie Paul had crazy succes in Kinshasa from 1992 to 1999. The way people used to follow Werrason in streets and public concerts with huge crowds, was the way Marie Paul was in Kinshasa during his prime years. He was also the one who started perform in stadiums and l’esplanade de Palais du Peuple in Clan Wenge. It’s just that none of his big events in Kinshasa are on YouTube. Marie Paul used to be in Wenge 4x4 from 1987 to 1991 and sung on the Live (1989) which is the Bouger Bouger-remix album and on the Kin E Bouge-album (1991), before forming Wenge Aile Paris with Ricoco, Aimé Buanga and Zing Zong. Between Blaise Bula & Adolphe Dominguez, non of both guys got voted star of the year, but Marie Paul used to be it in 1997 above JB Mpiana and in 1998.

If I had to choice between Blaise Bula and Adolphe Dominguez. I would choice for Adolphe. Blaise Bula can only dream about the many things Adolphe did from 2001 to 2002 (YMCA, Olympia, LSC, Mbuyi Mayi, those public concerts in Kinshasa, his triumphal return in Kinshasa). He had even successful concerts abroad, while Blaise Bula’s concerts in 2002 when he came in Europe were all mpiaka.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0OKRm540hGM
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: BR on June 23, 2021, 22:36
Was Marie Paul a full member at Koffi's QLI or just an invited guest?
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Mfumu Vata on June 23, 2021, 22:40
Marie Paul often explained in interviews that he never joined Quartier Latin. He was about to join, because he was Koffi's petit and rehearsing his songs at home. The problem was that when he wanted to join Quartier Latin, most members weren't liking him because he wasn't from Binza or Lemba like them. He argued with the late Yoto Nkelani "Delta Force" when rehearsing at Maman Amy's house in Binza to prepare Quartier Latin's first concert. He immediately left after that argument.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on June 24, 2021, 01:24
Marie Paul often explained in interviews that he never joined Quartier Latin. He was about to join, because he was Koffi's petit and rehearsing his songs at home. The problem was that when he wanted to join Quartier Latin, most members weren't liking him because he wasn't from Binza or Lemba like them. He argued with the late Yoto Nkelani "Delta Force" when rehearsing at Maman Amy's house in Binza to prepare Quartier Latin's first concert. He immediately left after that argument.
When did this story come out about Marie Paul and Quartier Latin. This is the first time that we are learning about this. I actually think that Marie Paul would have fitted well in Quartier Latin. From there, he should have remixed the song Ngobila to sing with Marie Paul.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Mfumu Vata on June 24, 2021, 02:12
Years ago since the couvre-feu era 1998 when Koffi recruited Depitcho and Marie Paul started accusing Koffi of stealing Depitcho and Koffi replying that Marie Paul used to be his musician in an interview, so he has to stop crying. It came back in 2012 after those presidential elections and Koffi saying the same thing and now when Marie Paul came back last year and journalists asking next to the same Werra-questions, to Marie Paul if he used to be Koffi's musician and Marie Paul having to repeat every time the story with the late Yoto Nkelani and Mascot de Katalas.

I don't think that they would have recorded a remix of Ngobila. Because Koffi used to see Quartier Latin as band that had to back him for his concerts in Kinshasa and Africa when he formed it in 1986. Quartier Latin became a proper band from 1991/92 when most Flash Musica started to join the band and fans in Europe wanting to see them live in Europe, with the start of Pas de Faux Pas-records. Marie Paul revealed in one of the interviews that Koffi wanted to form Quartier Latin already back in 1983/84, but that he hadn't enough time, because he had many stuff to do in Europe. Adding that they recorded at home with a cassette the songs of the Lady Bo-album, that Koffi recorded with Emeneya in Europe in 1984.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: archos on June 24, 2021, 11:40
adolphe's biggest "mistake" is "rejecting" the primus deal jb helped him get(with the system of always being signed with authorization of the longest serving) to go and settle in south africa,yes things had changed a bit as the mouna generation stayed for most in europe or  joined other groups,but if he could be resilient he'd have bounced back,he's been doing the mediatic noise with piece contre piece,which he should have continued trying
now its very hard to have agroup which is even less than one year old without a former tonya tonya member due to how music came for too long in second position after his private business,so he missed out on a lot of talent,he could have had a identite,ceda ya mado and another atalaku which also earned some name i am forgetting which one exactly,if they saw future in his group and stayed longer
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 24, 2021, 15:53
Same thing with Blaise, Blaise left bcbg way too soon. Sure he had a fan base but it could’ve been bigger if he left in 2000 and participated in the Zenith and Olympia concerts and co lead the stage before Jb came on like Adolphe was doing with Werra. It’s like if Adolphe left after Intervention Rapide in early 1999 I don’t think he’d have had the success he had in 2001. So if Blaise left in 2000 he could’ve cemented a stronger fan base then the one he had in 1999.
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: Franco Pepe Kalle on June 24, 2021, 23:06
Same thing with Blaise, Blaise left bcbg way too soon. Sure he had a fan base but it could’ve been bigger if he left in 2000 and participated in the Zenith and Olympia concerts and co lead the stage before Jb came on like Adolphe was doing with Werra. It’s like if Adolphe left after Intervention Rapide in early 1999 I don’t think he’d have had the success he had in 2001. So if Blaise left in 2000 he could’ve cemented a stronger fan base then the one he had in 1999.
But I feel like Blaise and JB had a big fallout in 1999. Did JB do a 12 on Blaise Bula in 1999?
Title: Re: Debate: Who has had the better career post Wenge: Adolphe or Blaise Bula
Post by: CM PRINCE on June 25, 2021, 01:08
Same thing with Blaise, Blaise left bcbg way too soon. Sure he had a fan base but it could’ve been bigger if he left in 2000 and participated in the Zenith and Olympia concerts and co lead the stage before Jb came on like Adolphe was doing with Werra. It’s like if Adolphe left after Intervention Rapide in early 1999 I don’t think he’d have had the success he had in 2001. So if Blaise left in 2000 he could’ve cemented a stronger fan base then the one he had in 1999.
But I feel like Blaise and JB had a big fallout in 1999. Did JB do a 12 on Blaise Bula in 1999?
Their fallout already started in 1998, with Jb suspending Blaise and Blaise stopped coming to rehearsals and then getting sick and hospitalized, if he only managed to keep his cool for another year like Adolphe then it might've been different