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Manzambi94 #60 on: May 18, 2021, 14:38

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Feux D Amour is the best arranged album of Clan Wenge
Pentagon the best Group Album
Alain Makaba is overrated, he is a good soloist but not overall good musician as he is being portrayed, he has done nothing notable post Wenge
JB Mpiana is the most talented, Most charismatic and most lazy Musician of Wenge, if he had half the aggressiveness of Werrason or Koffi olomide , he would have been the best ever Musician of Congo, but he is still the best of his generation
Werrason is a very good tactician and the most aggressive of the Wenge Clan, he is the brain behind most of the strategies. Those characters helped him to build Maison Merre into a formidable force,  but he cannot sing to help himself.
Adolph Dominguez was lucky to be a member of Wenge, out of Wenge he would be nobody
Koffi Olomide albums were better arranged than those of Wenge, that is why he had a good following in Africa. Since most of Fans do not understand Lingala, they always go for well arranged album. I was surprised to learn that Force D intervention Rapide was a success in Congo, the album was very poor arranged, Titanic was the best Album of that year.


With arranged what do you mean? The overall sound or the mix of instruments? Maybe some Guitar playing.more loud then the other things like this or the sound quality being just bad?

Mopao195 #61 on: May 18, 2021, 15:31

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the mabanga shit is stupid why cant these people name be written in the cd booklet or something lol why do I have to hear Heritier Itele, Lorenzo etc name and sometimes make songs a little intolerable like on Eternellement,Ligne 11 and more
Cause that's how they make money, a random guy named El Double Kamidiora Francisco Mujinga Mulamba Madiola gives you 1000 dollars to sing his name, what you finna do? And when the Mulamba Madiola becomes a 100 and all give between 1000 and 5000 dollars what you will do refusing? If Internet was wide spread in Congo and there weren't so much piracy on Congolese music we wouldn't hear Mabangas, anyway to me what kill the genre was this obsession in following Nigerian for Older artists and to just make Rhumba like the young guys are doing, I can listen to Deplick crying one a week but not a whole year of him and But Na Fillet crying about their exes
i would say no but if that's the only revenue that black artist in Africa have then I would said yes of course
i dont know what this means but its hard

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Mfumu Vata #62 on: May 18, 2021, 16:55

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Feux D Amour is the best arranged album of Clan Wenge
Pentagon the best Group Album
Alain Makaba is overrated, he is a good soloist but not overall good musician as he is being portrayed, he has done nothing notable post Wenge
JB Mpiana is the most talented, Most charismatic and most lazy Musician of Wenge, if he had half the aggressiveness of Werrason or Koffi olomide , he would have been the best ever Musician of Congo, but he is still the best of his generation
Werrason is a very good tactician and the most aggressive of the Wenge Clan, he is the brain behind most of the strategies. Those characters helped him to build Maison Merre into a formidable force,  but he cannot sing to help himself.
Adolph Dominguez was lucky to be a member of Wenge, out of Wenge he would be nobody
Koffi Olomide albums were better arranged than those of Wenge, that is why he had a good following in Africa. Since most of Fans do not understand Lingala, they always go for well arranged album. I was surprised to learn that Force D intervention Rapide was a success in Congo, the album was very poor arranged, Titanic was the best Album of that year.

So Pepe Felly Manuaku and Flamme Kapaya are also overrated ? Because they also didn't do anything nor joining a band.
Drummers like Meridjo and Champion Djikapela are also overrated because they had done nothing notable after leaving their bands ? So Nono Monzoloko and Ditutala is also overrated because he done nothing notable after Zaiko


 *Alain Makaba participated to
Fula Ngenge and Bakala Dia Kuba of Papa Wemba and one of album of Deesse
Mukangi in 2002.

 Alain Makaba dissapeared from the Congolese music-scene because he was very dissapointed and had lost the love he had with our music. In the same period he was married to the daugther of the late Omar Bongo who used to be president of Gabon at that time.  Pepe Felly Manuaku  for example (who is seen as the father of sebene) was in the same situation, until that Papa Wemba went to get him to participate in Pole Position and later on the Le Quatro+1 project. However he was not motivated anymore and felt that Congolese people weren't giving him the respect he deserved. He tried to settle in Angola, because he's parents are from there, but he felt as a foreigner there and came back to Kinshasa where he works nowadays in Socoda.

The circumstantes also count to the album. Your album can be of high quality, but still not being well received. We have seen it with Emeneya's album Everybody who was a huge flop, but only getting the respect it deserved when he passed away. In the period the critized Emeneya alot and said that he throw his rhythm in the streets and Wenge picked up. Comparing it to Kalayi Boeing who was a huge succes and who had those tribal guitar-sound in the main song, which the original Victoria Eleison used to have.

 The moment when Titanic and Force d'Intervention Rapide got released, alot music-fans and press had sympathy for Werrason, who recorded Force d'Intervention Rapide in difficult conditions (The civil war started, the money devalued, rebels cut the hydroelectro-dam down which created alot problems in Kinshasa) and the public was already used with Wenge BCBG due to their names already being known and their concerts at Bataclan, Madeleine & Palais du Peuple, while Wenge Maison Mere was something new, the singers not known yet. Also JB Mpiana made some declarations in the press, which made many of his own fans turn their towards him and going to support Werrason and alot people hating him.
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Kizito #63 on: May 18, 2021, 19:33

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Feux D Amour is the best arranged album of Clan Wenge
Pentagon the best Group Album
Alain Makaba is overrated, he is a good soloist but not overall good musician as he is being portrayed, he has done nothing notable post Wenge
JB Mpiana is the most talented, Most charismatic and most lazy Musician of Wenge, if he had half the aggressiveness of Werrason or Koffi olomide , he would have been the best ever Musician of Congo, but he is still the best of his generation
Werrason is a very good tactician and the most aggressive of the Wenge Clan, he is the brain behind most of the strategies. Those characters helped him to build Maison Merre into a formidable force,  but he cannot sing to help himself.
Adolph Dominguez was lucky to be a member of Wenge, out of Wenge he would be nobody
Koffi Olomide albums were better arranged than those of Wenge, that is why he had a good following in Africa. Since most of Fans do not understand Lingala, they always go for well arranged album. I was surprised to learn that Force D intervention Rapide was a success in Congo, the album was very poor arranged, Titanic was the best Album of that year.


With arranged what do you mean? The overall sound or the mix of instruments? Maybe some Guitar playing.more loud then the other things like this or the sound quality being just bad?

Overall sound, the quality of the album is very high, although some people have been complaining about the drum set

Kizito #64 on: May 18, 2021, 19:37

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Feux D Amour is the best arranged album of Clan Wenge
Pentagon the best Group Album
Alain Makaba is overrated, he is a good soloist but not overall good musician as he is being portrayed, he has done nothing notable post Wenge
JB Mpiana is the most talented, Most charismatic and most lazy Musician of Wenge, if he had half the aggressiveness of Werrason or Koffi olomide , he would have been the best ever Musician of Congo, but he is still the best of his generation
Werrason is a very good tactician and the most aggressive of the Wenge Clan, he is the brain behind most of the strategies. Those characters helped him to build Maison Merre into a formidable force,  but he cannot sing to help himself.
Adolph Dominguez was lucky to be a member of Wenge, out of Wenge he would be nobody
Koffi Olomide albums were better arranged than those of Wenge, that is why he had a good following in Africa. Since most of Fans do not understand Lingala, they always go for well arranged album. I was surprised to learn that Force D intervention Rapide was a success in Congo, the album was very poor arranged, Titanic was the best Album of that year.

So Pepe Felly Manuaku and Flamme Kapaya are also overrated ? Because they also didn't do anything nor joining a band.
Drummers like Meridjo and Champion Djikapela are also overrated because they had done nothing notable after leaving their bands ? So Nono Monzoloko and Ditutala is also overrated because he done nothing notable after Zaiko


 *Alain Makaba participated to
Fula Ngenge and Bakala Dia Kuba of Papa Wemba and one of album of Deesse
Mukangi in 2002.

 Alain Makaba dissapeared from the Congolese music-scene because he was very dissapointed and had lost the love he had with our music. In the same period he was married to the daugther of the late Omar Bongo who used to be president of Gabon at that time.  Pepe Felly Manuaku  for example (who is seen as the father of sebene) was in the same situation, until that Papa Wemba went to get him to participate in Pole Position and later on the Le Quatro+1 project. However he was not motivated anymore and felt that Congolese people weren't giving him the respect he deserved. He tried to settle in Angola, because he's parents are from there, but he felt as a foreigner there and came back to Kinshasa where he works nowadays in Socoda.

The circumstantes also count to the album. Your album can be of high quality, but still not being well received. We have seen it with Emeneya's album Everybody who was a huge flop, but only getting the respect it deserved when he passed away. In the period the critized Emeneya alot and said that he throw his rhythm in the streets and Wenge picked up. Comparing it to Kalayi Boeing who was a huge succes and who had those tribal guitar-sound in the main song, which the original Victoria Eleison used to have.

 The moment when Titanic and Force d'Intervention Rapide got released, alot music-fans and press had sympathy for Werrason, who recorded Force d'Intervention Rapide in difficult conditions (The civil war started, the money devalued, rebels cut the hydroelectro-dam down which created alot problems in Kinshasa) and the public was already used with Wenge BCBG due to their names already being known and their concerts at Bataclan, Madeleine & Palais du Peuple, while Wenge Maison Mere was something new, the singers not known yet. Also JB Mpiana made some declarations in the press, which made many of his own fans turn their towards him and going to support Werrason and alot people hating him.

Thank you for clarification, it seems guitarists in Congo have a challenge when it comes to going solo, Diblo succeeded a bit with Matchatcha, although i doubt if he was well received in Congo as Paris based musician are not appreciated there. I still wonder what would Force D intervention rapid be if recorded in Paris. The songs were really good, the vocals top quality only the sound.

Manzambi94 #65 on: May 18, 2021, 20:18

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Feux D Amour is the best arranged album of Clan Wenge
Pentagon the best Group Album
Alain Makaba is overrated, he is a good soloist but not overall good musician as he is being portrayed, he has done nothing notable post Wenge
JB Mpiana is the most talented, Most charismatic and most lazy Musician of Wenge, if he had half the aggressiveness of Werrason or Koffi olomide , he would have been the best ever Musician of Congo, but he is still the best of his generation
Werrason is a very good tactician and the most aggressive of the Wenge Clan, he is the brain behind most of the strategies. Those characters helped him to build Maison Merre into a formidable force,  but he cannot sing to help himself.
Adolph Dominguez was lucky to be a member of Wenge, out of Wenge he would be nobody
Koffi Olomide albums were better arranged than those of Wenge, that is why he had a good following in Africa. Since most of Fans do not understand Lingala, they always go for well arranged album. I was surprised to learn that Force D intervention Rapide was a success in Congo, the album was very poor arranged, Titanic was the best Album of that year.

So Pepe Felly Manuaku and Flamme Kapaya are also overrated ? Because they also didn't do anything nor joining a band.
Drummers like Meridjo and Champion Djikapela are also overrated because they had done nothing notable after leaving their bands ? So Nono Monzoloko and Ditutala is also overrated because he done nothing notable after Zaiko


 *Alain Makaba participated to
Fula Ngenge and Bakala Dia Kuba of Papa Wemba and one of album of Deesse
Mukangi in 2002.

 Alain Makaba dissapeared from the Congolese music-scene because he was very dissapointed and had lost the love he had with our music. In the same period he was married to the daugther of the late Omar Bongo who used to be president of Gabon at that time.  Pepe Felly Manuaku  for example (who is seen as the father of sebene) was in the same situation, until that Papa Wemba went to get him to participate in Pole Position and later on the Le Quatro+1 project. However he was not motivated anymore and felt that Congolese people weren't giving him the respect he deserved. He tried to settle in Angola, because he's parents are from there, but he felt as a foreigner there and came back to Kinshasa where he works nowadays in Socoda.

The circumstantes also count to the album. Your album can be of high quality, but still not being well received. We have seen it with Emeneya's album Everybody who was a huge flop, but only getting the respect it deserved when he passed away. In the period the critized Emeneya alot and said that he throw his rhythm in the streets and Wenge picked up. Comparing it to Kalayi Boeing who was a huge succes and who had those tribal guitar-sound in the main song, which the original Victoria Eleison used to have.

 The moment when Titanic and Force d'Intervention Rapide got released, alot music-fans and press had sympathy for Werrason, who recorded Force d'Intervention Rapide in difficult conditions (The civil war started, the money devalued, rebels cut the hydroelectro-dam down which created alot problems in Kinshasa) and the public was already used with Wenge BCBG due to their names already being known and their concerts at Bataclan, Madeleine & Palais du Peuple, while Wenge Maison Mere was something new, the singers not known yet. Also JB Mpiana made some declarations in the press, which made many of his own fans turn their towards him and going to support Werrason and alot people hating him.

Thank you for clarification, it seems guitarists in Congo have a challenge when it comes to going solo, Diblo succeeded a bit with Matchatcha, although i doubt if he was well received in Congo as Paris based musician are not appreciated there. I still wonder what would Force D intervention rapid be if recorded in Paris. The songs were really good, the vocals top quality only the sound.
TBH everyone who isn't a singer have a challenge going solo in Congo, Atalakus, Guitarists, Bassists, Drummers, if you take the known Three top guys Koffi, Werra and JB they had many guitarists or drummer or Atalakus who had a better music taste or overall were better but since they weren't singers they hadn't aucceded

Mfumu Vata #66 on: May 18, 2021, 21:15

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Soukous-artists like Diblo Dibala, Kanda Bongo Man, Aurlus Mabele, Dr Sakis, Dany Engobo, etc. aren't really known in Kinshasa, they are mostly known by Congolese people who went Europe through West-Africa or who were once based there.Some in Kinshasa know them, but don't respect them, seeing them as comedians for the music they made (Congolese people back in those days didn't like easy lyrics, they used like poetic love songs or songs about life). In that era they used to see Soukous-artists who were shortly broadcoasted on tv by journalist Manda Tchebwa, like people who were send to kill our music.

They only know Nyboma Canta and Awilo Longomba which due to Nyboma being Kinshasa based before his soukous-career and being one of the topstars in Kinshasa back in the 70s, when having his band Lipua Lipua and Kamale. Awilo Longomba is known because of being Papa Wemba's drummer for a long time (getting often shot-outs in tracks recorded by Stino Mubi and Reddy Amisi) and later becoming a co-founder of  rebel band "Nouvelle Generation de la Republique Democratique" which had huge succes with the song Porokondo and diss-track Monimambu against Wemba.

The only instrumentists to have succeed careers in Kinshasa are the Lutumba Simaro when replacing Luambo Makiadi as president after his death and 4 years later forming Bana OK after getting fired, Dr Nico when forming African Fiesta with Tabu Ley and a few years later having a long rivalery with the last one, which resulted in ethnic conflict in Kinshasa between Luba's and those coming from the Kwilu-province. Franco Luambo Makiadi who's seen as greatest musician ever in the Congolese music-history, who's the co-founder of TPOK Jazz,  bringing multiple bands to Europe (Zaiko Langa Langa, Papa Wemba's Viva La Musica and others) and producing their albums on the same time. And of course saxophonist Verkcys Kiamuangana who formed his own band orchestre Veve (having the trio Madjesi as his singers) and also creating his own recordlabel Editions Veve, who produced artists of all generations.

Franco Pepe Kalle #67 on: May 18, 2021, 21:17

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Some unpopular opinions

1) Dilu Dilumona and Papy Tex were better singers than Pepe Kalle but lacked the energy that Kalle had
2) Soki Vangu was a better Soki singer
3) Werrason made a big blunder allowing JB Mpiana to be president of Wenge Musica
4) Baby Ndombe should have been third or fourth star in the current age of Fally and Ferre.
5) Manda Chante never should have been a member of Wenge Musica original
6) Simaro should have never accepted Madilu to return to OK Jazz in 1990
7) Madilu should have created a band with Aime Kiwakana, Elba Kuluma, Dindo Yogo and Luciana Demingongo before going solo around 2 to 4 years later
8. Franco should have never brought back Kwamy into OK Jazz in 1970 and then Vicky would have left in 1974 instead of 1971.
9) Zaiko would have had less divisions if Pepe Felly had led Zaiko
10) Papa Wemba should gotten Koffi Olomide into Viva La Musica officially.

Mopao195 #68 on: May 25, 2021, 20:18

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7eme Lecon is better than Alerte Generale
i dont know what this means but its hard

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Manzambi94 #69 on: May 26, 2021, 13:51

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Mopao195 #70 on: May 26, 2021, 15:13

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7eme Lecon is better than Alerte Generale
Damn this is wild
it ain't just a little better its ALOT better
i dont know what this means but its hard

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Manzambi94 #71 on: May 26, 2021, 16:11

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7eme Lecon is better than Alerte Generale
Damn this is wild
it ain't just a little better its ALOT better
... Bro come on now, which parts are better? I mean Demukusse and Celeo really schooled Bill and Les Marquis yes 7eme Leçon is funnier with I'll throwing all those shots at Werra like "Miziki ya Koko Wana elalaaa ee" etc. But Alerte Generale was way better especially the transituin between Celeo and ROI David "Bana bakomi Mikolo, balingi ba finga Ya Ngiama..." Etc.

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Mopao195 #73 on: May 26, 2021, 16:57

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7eme Lecon is better than Alerte Generale
Damn this is wild
it ain't just a little better its ALOT better
... Bro come on now, which parts are better? I mean Demukusse and Celeo really schooled Bill and Les Marquis yes 7eme Leçon is funnier with I'll throwing all those shots at Werra like "Miziki ya Koko Wana elalaaa ee" etc. But Alerte Generale was way better especially the transituin between Celeo and ROI David "Bana bakomi Mikolo, balingi ba finga Ya Ngiama..." Etc.

4:38 is fire as hell, 8:54, 9:55 this part right here is better than alerte generale and only bill Clinton can have a 11 minute generiuqe and all of it be fire meanwhile on alerte gnerale i get bored as hell 7 minutes in. let me make one thing clear its not a bad song its not better than 7eme lecon that's all.
They may have schooled him they ain't nowhere near as good as Bill that's a fact, have listened to Alerte Generale throughout the week and I dont get the hype at all sous sol is better techno malewa is better even Ligne 11 is a better generique, I don't know lingala so maybe that's the issue lol
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i dont know what this means but its hard

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CM PRINCE #74 on: May 26, 2021, 18:08

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7eme Lecon is better than Alerte Generale
Damn this is wild
it ain't just a little better its ALOT better
... Bro come on now, which parts are better? I mean Demukusse and Celeo really schooled Bill and Les Marquis yes 7eme Leçon is funnier with I'll throwing all those shots at Werra like "Miziki ya Koko Wana elalaaa ee" etc. But Alerte Generale was way better especially the transituin between Celeo and ROI David "Bana bakomi Mikolo, balingi ba finga Ya Ngiama..." Etc.

4:38 is fire as hell, 8:54, 9:55 this part right here is better than alerte generale and only bill Clinton and have a 11 minute generiuqe and all of it be fire meanwhile on alerte gnerale i get bored as hell 7 minutes in. let me make one thing clear its not a bad song its not better than 7eme lecon that's all.
They may have schooled him they ain't nowhere near as good as Bill that's a fact, have listened to Alerte Generale throughout the week and I dont get the hype at all sous sol is better techno malewa is better even Ligne 11 is a better generique, I don't know lingala so maybe that's the issue lol
First you say Voodoo is much better than Sanction and Viagra, then you say Detresse isn’t that good of a song, then you say Ekokota isn’t that good of an Atalaku and now you’re saying 7eme Lecon, Sous Sol and Ligne II are better than Alerte Générale. Ehhh nzambe I’m honestly terrified with what you’re gonna come out with next.