Author Topic: Regis Touba's Perspective on Extra Musica  (Read 3435 times)

Wenge1995 on: March 29, 2021, 16:19

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Can anyone translate? It's interesting how people can switch midsentence between French and Lingala so naturally.

archos #1 on: March 29, 2021, 18:18

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in short he is saying that before extra musica was officially created  there was a transition from cogiex stars to extra in which they were already performing as him and guyguy as the singers,durell roga espa ramatoulaye kila mbongo,as he was called by roga to join them as the group he was in collapsed then when the group was turning into extra musica after some time of performances,quentin and some others arrived from cogiex stars and he believes  quentin sees himself as the founder of extra musica because it started in their family house but in reality,roga and espe put into practice the project of forming a band after cogiex which they were discussing there before him so he does not understand this eternal conflict about the creation
then when they recorded album later on he missed out because his parents were against him doing music and sent him abroad then when he returned he appeared in clips
 he also talked a bit about his contributions with some instruments,some donors,his contribution in extra's animation as some of the early animation were his as when kila was tired in their early lives he was helping him out
 he talked about their split following an argument between roga and quentin and he wonders whether they had an issue going on for long which he did not notice
he also talked about his time in wenge bcbg saying that it went bad from a moment when he was recorded and pictured with werra at la zamba and crowd was saying werra should recruit him and the day after maison mere's guys took it to tv so it put him in uncomfortable situation with jb
then he could not have a solo band because he felt strange without any of the extra musica members and he regrets until today their splits,and roga called him to join extra musica zangul which he accepted not knowing that his status had totally changed and roga becoming the supreme leader so him and hermann were suspended for having done a playback on their own                                                       
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Mfumu Vata #2 on: March 29, 2021, 19:32

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.

Didn't Regis Touba became a brother in christ ? He lost alot weight.

So Roga's version about the split was true ? Regis Touba regrets here about the split, but he forget that Extra Musica International and Z1 International made him reach another dimension and made him a big leader, which would be case if he stayed with Extra Musica Zangul, having Herman Ngassaki and Abilissi who already starting to dominate him in terms of popularity after Ouragan. I really wonder why Guy-Guy Fall quickly left Extra Musica International after co-founding it with Quetin, Regis and Durrel.

Regis is praising Roga to much, isn't it because things went wrong between Quetin and Regis last year ? I noticed that the last 2 years former-Extra members often indirectly hint to Espe Bass, like him being the real founder of Extra Musica, but always being quit.
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archos #3 on: March 29, 2021, 20:01

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yes i think regis is like the typical case of being seriously sick then recovering then going "nalingi nayembela nzambe sikoyo lokola abikisi nga" but often they are not ready for the radical change people expect
yeah its very possible the way he mentions quentin is totally different to the way he mentions roga

Monsieur Congo #4 on: March 29, 2021, 20:08

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.
Hahaha and when I said this exact same thing in the other thread about Extra Musica in Zenith, myself, JV and CM Prince were labelled haters  ;D ;D

Wenge1995 #5 on: March 30, 2021, 01:28

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.

Didn't Regis Touba became a brother in christ ? He lost alot weight.

So Roga's version about the split was true ? Regis Touba regrets here about the split, but he forget that Extra Musica International and Z1 International made him reach another dimension and made him a big leader, which would be case if he stayed with Extra Musica Zangul, having Herman Ngassaki and Abilissi who already starting to dominate him in terms of popularity after Ouragan. I really wonder why Guy-Guy Fall quickly left Extra Musica International after co-founding it with Quetin, Regis and Durrel.

Regis is praising Roga to much, isn't it because things went wrong between Quetin and Regis last year ? I noticed that the last 2 years former-Extra members often indirectly hint to Espe Bass, like him being the real founder of Extra Musica, but always being quit.

You're right, I initially knew Regis through Extra Musica International and Z1 International. Albums prior to Ouragan are a tough listen, because it's like a street band trying their own version of Kin E Bouge and Les Anges Adorables.

Is it true Guy Guy Fall was sabotaged in Extra Musica? I was shocked that he didn't sidelined so quickly in the band, because his voice is so prominent in their first two albums and he was a good dancer at concerts. You watch the footage, he's even better than Doudou Copa and Herman at those times.

Wenge1995 #6 on: March 30, 2021, 01:29

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in short he is saying that before extra musica was officially created  there was a transition from cogiex stars to extra in which they were already performing as him and guyguy as the singers,durell roga espa ramatoulaye kila mbongo,as he was called by roga to join them as the group he was in collapsed then when the group was turning into extra musica after some time of performances,quentin and some others arrived from cogiex stars and he believes  quentin sees himself as the founder of extra musica because it started in their family house but in reality,roga and espe put into practice the project of forming a band after cogiex which they were discussing there before him so he does not understand this eternal conflict about the creation
then when they recorded album later on he missed out because his parents were against him doing music and sent him abroad then when he returned he appeared in clips
 he also talked a bit about his contributions with some instruments,some donors,his contribution in extra's animation as some of the early animation were his as when kila was tired in their early lives he was helping him out
 he talked about their split following an argument between roga and quentin and he wonders whether they had an issue going on for long which he did not notice
he also talked about his time in wenge bcbg saying that it went bad from a moment when he was recorded and pictured with werra at la zamba and crowd was saying werra should recruit him and the day after maison mere's guys took it to tv so it put him in uncomfortable situation with jb
then he could not have a solo band because he felt strange without any of the extra musica members and he regrets until today their splits,and roga called him to join extra musica zangul which he accepted not knowing that his status had totally changed and roga becoming the supreme leader so him and hermann were suspended for having done a playback on their own                                                     

So for club appearances, you have to ask your band leader for permission? I'm assuming Roga wanted to percentage of whatever Regis and Herman charged for their appearance at the venue

Mfumu Vata #7 on: March 30, 2021, 04:49

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.

Didn't Regis Touba became a brother in christ ? He lost alot weight.

So Roga's version about the split was true ? Regis Touba regrets here about the split, but he forget that Extra Musica International and Z1 International made him reach another dimension and made him a big leader, which would be case if he stayed with Extra Musica Zangul, having Herman Ngassaki and Abilissi who already starting to dominate him in terms of popularity after Ouragan. I really wonder why Guy-Guy Fall quickly left Extra Musica International after co-founding it with Quetin, Regis and Durrel.

Regis is praising Roga to much, isn't it because things went wrong between Quetin and Regis last year ? I noticed that the last 2 years former-Extra members often indirectly hint to Espe Bass, like him being the real founder of Extra Musica, but always being quit.

You're right, I initially knew Regis through Extra Musica International and Z1 International. Albums prior to Ouragan are a tough listen, because it's like a street band trying their own version of Kin E Bouge and Les Anges Adorables.

Is it true Guy Guy Fall was sabotaged in Extra Musica? I was shocked that he didn't sidelined so quickly in the band, because his voice is so prominent in their first two albums and he was a good dancer at concerts. You watch the footage, he's even better than Doudou Copa and Herman at those times.

lol though to listen. I prefer Nouveaux Missiles and Confirmation far above Ouragan. Extra Musica was by far better than many professional bands of Brazzaville and sounded more professional than some bands of youngsters based in Kinshasa, who were looking a way to breakthrough on the musicscene. Extra's two first albums are better than the albums made by Z1 International and Extra Musica International, who are just manzanza if you compare to it.

Yeah they did Guy-Guy dirty before he left. But I though that you asked it also in other threads from the interviews made by former Extra-members talking about the past (Quetin, Roga, Oxygene). Herman and Doudou were reserve-band-members in those days who were doing a few vocals here and there. Herman started to gain notoriety when Guy-Guy Fall left and being on his prime during the Zangul-days, Doudou was a long time in Quetin's shadow, but started to get alot of space after the split and became one of the main stars after singing lead in Horizon 2000.

Mfumu Vata #8 on: March 30, 2021, 04:51

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in short he is saying that before extra musica was officially created  there was a transition from cogiex stars to extra in which they were already performing as him and guyguy as the singers,durell roga espa ramatoulaye kila mbongo,as he was called by roga to join them as the group he was in collapsed then when the group was turning into extra musica after some time of performances,quentin and some others arrived from cogiex stars and he believes  quentin sees himself as the founder of extra musica because it started in their family house but in reality,roga and espe put into practice the project of forming a band after cogiex which they were discussing there before him so he does not understand this eternal conflict about the creation
then when they recorded album later on he missed out because his parents were against him doing music and sent him abroad then when he returned he appeared in clips
 he also talked a bit about his contributions with some instruments,some donors,his contribution in extra's animation as some of the early animation were his as when kila was tired in their early lives he was helping him out
 he talked about their split following an argument between roga and quentin and he wonders whether they had an issue going on for long which he did not notice
he also talked about his time in wenge bcbg saying that it went bad from a moment when he was recorded and pictured with werra at la zamba and crowd was saying werra should recruit him and the day after maison mere's guys took it to tv so it put him in uncomfortable situation with jb
then he could not have a solo band because he felt strange without any of the extra musica members and he regrets until today their splits,and roga called him to join extra musica zangul which he accepted not knowing that his status had totally changed and roga becoming the supreme leader so him and hermann were suspended for having done a playback on their own                                                     

So for club appearances, you have to ask your band leader for permission? I'm assuming Roga wanted to percentage of whatever Regis and Herman charged for their appearance at the venue

it was just a way to get them out the band before Sorcellerie Kindoki, because they were to old in Roga Roga's eyes.

archos #9 on: March 30, 2021, 13:40

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and too aware of money loool ah ba leaders
talking about regis i was just listening this morning to this song

these type of songs barely exist these days mawa trop

CM PRINCE #10 on: March 30, 2021, 19:58

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Finally an artist of Extra Musica BPBL who admitting that they used to copy Wenge Musica alot in their beginning (1:03:43) "Comme to imitaki mingi Wenge Musica..". They also hide it in interviews tryby saying that their idols were Empire Bakuba, Zaiko and Viva La Musica, they never mention Wenge Musica.
Hahaha and when I said this exact same thing in the other thread about Extra Musica in Zenith, myself, JV and CM Prince were labelled haters  ;D ;D
LOOOL nako loba te  ;D ;D

Mfumu Vata #11 on: March 30, 2021, 22:29

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About Extra Musica copying Wenge Musica in the beginning, it's normal. Since the start of Congolese music, every band first copy their big brothers before creating their own style. Ok Jazz used to copy Dewayon (the older brother of Johnny Bokelo), Wendo and those bands who used to play Polka-Pike. African Jazz used to copy Cuban bands. Zaiko used to copy Thu Zahina and Los Nickelos when they started before switching to the mongo and cavacha style. Wenge Musica used to copy Victoria Eleison in their start, just listen to their unreleased album of 1986, on Anges Adorables and Kin E Bouge they mixed it with Zaiko's style of the tokati robinet-era and Choc Stars of 1986, however they had still little bit that Victoria style in them. For example the way JB started talking about their trip of 1992 towards the end of Voyage Mboso, Blaise Bula talking towards the end of Jessy Chouchou des Londres and JB Mpiana once again in Mon Ami Coboss. Just the way King Kester Emeneya used to do in his prime years 1982-1988, saying stuff in at some points during sebenes like "nalakati ba cuire na lint, mais epesaki danze quoi. Hein tokendaki na Paris...", "hein na kin moko te......", etc.


Wenge1995 #12 on: March 31, 2021, 04:22

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About Extra Musica copying Wenge Musica in the beginning, it's normal. Since the start of Congolese music, every band first copy their big brothers before creating their own style. Ok Jazz used to copy Dewayon (the older brother of Johnny Bokelo), Wendo and those bands who used to play Polka-Pike. African Jazz used to copy Cuban bands. Zaiko used to copy Thu Zahina and Los Nickelos when they started before switching to the mongo and cavacha style. Wenge Musica used to copy Victoria Eleison in their start, just listen to their unreleased album of 1986, on Anges Adorables and Kin E Bouge they mixed it with Zaiko's style of the tokati robinet-era and Choc Stars of 1986, however they had still little bit that Victoria style in them. For example the way JB started talking about their trip of 1992 towards the end of Voyage Mboso, Blaise Bula talking towards the end of Jessy Chouchou des Londres and JB Mpiana once again in Mon Ami Coboss. Just the way King Kester Emeneya used to do in his prime years 1982-1988, saying stuff in at some points during sebenes like "nalakati ba cuire na lint, mais epesaki danze quoi. Hein tokendaki na Paris...", "hein na kin moko te......", etc.

Has any of the singers say who inspired them? I know Werrason and JB Mpiana say King Kester and Wemba influence them vocally. I wonder who Oxygene, Herman, and Doudou Copa were inspired by? Obviously, Papy Bastin is a photocopy of King Kester.

Mfumu Vata #13 on: March 31, 2021, 10:51

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Guy Guy Fall and Herman Ngassaki were inspired by Werrason, but they always deny it interviews and never mention Werrason name. Guy Guy Fall used to walk like Werra and copying his style of doing mabanga in Wenge 4x4 (which they used to call "nzela ya zamba" with that heinnn towards the end. Also mixing it with JB Mpiana's djatence in concerts when someone doing his vocal, which JB used to do back in the days and Titina following with a drum-partition (for example the moment of Wenge BCBG performing the song Kin E Bouge at Bataclan, when Alain Mpela is doing his vocal). Guy-Guy Fall nowadays always say it were only Reddy Amisi and King Kester Emeneya who inspired him. Once he wanted almost say Wenge, but quickly replaced it with a name of Reddy (like "na Weeeng eeuh Reddy Amisi"). Doudou Copa was inspired by Koffi Olomide and Reddy Amisi who were his rolemodels and idols. In his solo-career he ended up by singing with both artists in his solo albums. 4/5 years ago he did a Doudou Copa chante Koffi Olomide in Brazzaville and it also in Kinshasa at the Saint James Rolls-hall (I don't know if it was a huge succes, because nobody really talked about it afterwards and Koffi himself wasn't present). Back in Nouveau Missiles-days he was seen as a faux-chanteur and used a sing a little bit like Guy-Guy Fall. You can hear him doing the chorus with Herman in the start of Freddy Nelson "Extra Musica eye lelo" and the chorus of Amie Reviens along with Guy Guy Fall and Quetin Moyascko. He ended up by working alot on his voice with help from Durrel Loemba and in Confirmation you could hear the result, with him singing more with a deep voice and also hiting high notes on the same time.It may that he also had Wenge as rolmodels, because he did those speeches in Amie Reviens and Detresse (which Regis Touba normally had to do, but not being able to do that, because of being in Angola when they recorded the album). The one in Detresse makes me always laugh, claiming that they took a metro from Paris to Toulouse, while you don't have a metro going from Toulouse to Paris.