Quote from: CM PRINCE on October 15, 2017, 19:32To be honest the other problem with this album was it was the beginning of albums getting overhyped and of course they did the koyimbi ko dance to death at concerts that it was getting boringif the album was released 3 or 6 months earlier, then the album would get the respect it deserved at that time. Because people waited to long for that album, which made it getting not well received at that time, despite the lies of the Congolese press. The album got luckily the respect which it deserved after 5 years. The beginning of albums getting over-hyped was with Temoinage.
To be honest the other problem with this album was it was the beginning of albums getting overhyped and of course they did the koyimbi ko dance to death at concerts that it was getting boring
Quote from: mvulusi96 on October 16, 2017, 00:01Quote from: CM PRINCE on October 15, 2017, 19:32To be honest the other problem with this album was it was the beginning of albums getting overhyped and of course they did the koyimbi ko dance to death at concerts that it was getting boringif the album was released 3 or 6 months earlier, then the album would get the respect it deserved at that time. Because people waited to long for that album, which made it getting not well received at that time, despite the lies of the Congolese press. The album got luckily the respect which it deserved after 5 years. The beginning of albums getting over-hyped was with Temoinage. *Revives thread *A LA QUEUE LEU-LEU wasn't received well at the time in Kin? What were the press saying at the time? I would've thought with all the Koyimbi Ko dances in the makbokes it was smash. It was definitely well received in my community here in the States. ALQLL along with Effrakata was definitely on repeat all of 2002 @ every Congolese function I went to lol. Those were two integral albums for me growing up Also, hey everyone this is my first post here! After lurking here for like a month, I finally decided to make an account. I lowkey wanted to make introductory thread introducing myself, but I didn't think no one would care lol
Quote from: faithandwar on February 19, 2018, 06:52Quote from: mvulusi96 on October 16, 2017, 00:01Quote from: CM PRINCE on October 15, 2017, 19:32To be honest the other problem with this album was it was the beginning of albums getting overhyped and of course they did the koyimbi ko dance to death at concerts that it was getting boringif the album was released 3 or 6 months earlier, then the album would get the respect it deserved at that time. Because people waited to long for that album, which made it getting not well received at that time, despite the lies of the Congolese press. The album got luckily the respect which it deserved after 5 years. The beginning of albums getting over-hyped was with Temoinage. *Revives thread *A LA QUEUE LEU-LEU wasn't received well at the time in Kin? What were the press saying at the time? I would've thought with all the Koyimbi Ko dances in the makbokes it was smash. It was definitely well received in my community here in the States. ALQLL along with Effrakata was definitely on repeat all of 2002 @ every Congolese function I went to lol. Those were two integral albums for me growing up Also, hey everyone this is my first post here! After lurking here for like a month, I finally decided to make an account. I lowkey wanted to make introductory thread introducing myself, but I didn't think no one would care lolWELCOME NDEKO
Compared to Effrakata, Internet, and Trop C'est Trop, which came out months earlier...A La Queue Leu Leu was disappointing.Why was Flamme Kapaya playing most of the solos, I always felt that Japonais was the better lead guitarist and why did Burkina Faso Mboka Liya leave Masion Mere? He did excellent work on Werrason's debut album with Operation Dragon among other songs.
@mvulusi96Thanks you, brother! Werrason was so selfish back then, Japonais and Flamme Kapaya created the aggressive sebene that made Wenge Musica Masion Mere African superstars.I noticed that Solola Bien has two guest musicans; Dju Dju Chet on drums and Guy Sangue playing bass guitar. Why didn't Papy Kakol play drums during the recording of the album. Does Guy Sangue contributions have anything to do with Didier Masela leaving the band? I thought he left after the release of the album.
@mvulusi96 Now that you've explained it, I have noticed the significant difference in techinque of percussion in those songs. Papy Kakol was always powerful on drums, but definately lack the dynamic of style like rivals Titina Al Capone and Champion of Quarter Latin.What was your favorite album by Werrason or Wenge Musica Masion Mere? Which one was your least?My favorite is Kibuisa Mpimpa; excellent sebenes, all the members had a chance to shine vocally, and impressive animations from Bill Clinton & Celeo Scram.I remember for some reason that JDT had limited vocals on Solola Bien, if I'm not mistaken he just sang on Koffi Ayiana and Rendez-vous manqué. Poor Adjani, those times were the last time he looked healthy before drugs complicated him like Babia. My least favorite is the album is Temps Présent Vol. 1, maybe it was Flamme Kapaya's absence kiekiekie!I won't lie, it was rough start for Celeo Scram, the guy had so little space for animations in Intervention Rapide Rapide Force and Solola Bien, it wasn't until after those albums where he would get more space on records to impress. I heard it was because Werrason only wanted Bill Clinton as atalaku, is that true?
If I understand well Didier Masela & Celeo were not in Canada & USA.You're right Wenge1995 the Kibuisa era seems to be the last time Adjani looks "healthy" he was ubstable just like Babia that was really dumb to not come to A La Queue Leu Leu recording sessions no wonder why Werrason decided to cut him off that album and his song. Mvulusi, When he returned to Maison Mere in 2003 did Werra planned to use him(Adjani) in the original version of Miracle ? Was Alerte Générale supposed to be the original générique animated by Bill and Celeo ?
Quote from: Wenge1995 on February 20, 2018, 09:18@mvulusi96 Now that you've explained it, I have noticed the significant difference in techinque of percussion in those songs. Papy Kakol was always powerful on drums, but definately lack the dynamic of style like rivals Titina Al Capone and Champion of Quarter Latin.What was your favorite album by Werrason or Wenge Musica Masion Mere? Which one was your least?My favorite is Kibuisa Mpimpa; excellent sebenes, all the members had a chance to shine vocally, and impressive animations from Bill Clinton & Celeo Scram.I remember for some reason that JDT had limited vocals on Solola Bien, if I'm not mistaken he just sang on Koffi Ayiana and Rendez-vous manqué. Poor Adjani, those times were the last time he looked healthy before drugs complicated him like Babia. My least favorite is the album is Temps Présent Vol. 1, maybe it was Flamme Kapaya's absence kiekiekie!I won't lie, it was rough start for Celeo Scram, the guy had so little space for animations in Intervention Rapide Rapide Force and Solola Bien, it wasn't until after those albums where he would get more space on records to impress. I heard it was because Werrason only wanted Bill Clinton as atalaku, is that true?My favorite album was Kibuisa Mpimpa and the least was Temps Present. I didn't like the new style and image of the band with Werrason starting to praise Kabila openly in interviews and the departure of Flamme & at that moment my favorite atalaku Celeo made me not follow Maison Mere very hard like in the beginning.I remember how some people didn't like Kibuisa in the first days. Prefering than Solola Bien above Operation Dragon, they found the song 13 Ans the way Werrason said in the beginning "Le beaute de pere noel, c'etait les belles filles", "the looks of Santa Claus were beautifel girls". alot weren't used the way Werrason sung alot in Kibuisa compared to Solola Bien & Intervention Rapide, forgetting that it was a solo album. They said then that had to give Ferre Gola, Serge Mabiala & Adjani more space. But after after a month everybody accepted the album, expect the BCBG-fans. Werrason didn't really like Celeo, since he hadn't the looks at that time despite of having proved his talents in Duc Herode's band. Because in Wenge, beside of being talented you had to got the looks to join the band. That's also the way how they killed Congolese music, accepting singer in the band who can't sing, but only got the looks. Celeo wasn't supossed to be at the Europe-tour of 1999. But he finally came with help from some donors and support of Adolphe Dominguez. But was then left behind in London by the band, people in London advised him to seek asylum, but he refused. There was a day that he was almost arrested and send back to Congo. Then when he heard that Maison Mere came to Paris, he went there to rejoin the band, but made a big car-accident the day he had to perform at Villejuif. The succes of Solola Bien, made him get respect and a little bit more space. But he was lucky to be at Bercy, because Werrason was angry when he discovered that he had a relationship with female dancer Bibiche Bercy. So he wanted to punish him leaving behind in Kinshasa and replace him by Doudou Kibinda. But he the whole band was against it and they supported Celeo.
Quote from: mvulusi96 on February 20, 2018, 09:53Quote from: Wenge1995 on February 20, 2018, 09:18@mvulusi96 Now that you've explained it, I have noticed the significant difference in techinque of percussion in those songs. Papy Kakol was always powerful on drums, but definately lack the dynamic of style like rivals Titina Al Capone and Champion of Quarter Latin.What was your favorite album by Werrason or Wenge Musica Masion Mere? Which one was your least?My favorite is Kibuisa Mpimpa; excellent sebenes, all the members had a chance to shine vocally, and impressive animations from Bill Clinton & Celeo Scram.I remember for some reason that JDT had limited vocals on Solola Bien, if I'm not mistaken he just sang on Koffi Ayiana and Rendez-vous manqué. Poor Adjani, those times were the last time he looked healthy before drugs complicated him like Babia. My least favorite is the album is Temps Présent Vol. 1, maybe it was Flamme Kapaya's absence kiekiekie!I won't lie, it was rough start for Celeo Scram, the guy had so little space for animations in Intervention Rapide Rapide Force and Solola Bien, it wasn't until after those albums where he would get more space on records to impress. I heard it was because Werrason only wanted Bill Clinton as atalaku, is that true?My favorite album was Kibuisa Mpimpa and the least was Temps Present. I didn't like the new style and image of the band with Werrason starting to praise Kabila openly in interviews and the departure of Flamme & at that moment my favorite atalaku Celeo made me not follow Maison Mere very hard like in the beginning.I remember how some people didn't like Kibuisa in the first days. Prefering than Solola Bien above Operation Dragon, they found the song 13 Ans the way Werrason said in the beginning "Le beaute de pere noel, c'etait les belles filles", "the looks of Santa Claus were beautifel girls". alot weren't used the way Werrason sung alot in Kibuisa compared to Solola Bien & Intervention Rapide, forgetting that it was a solo album. They said then that had to give Ferre Gola, Serge Mabiala & Adjani more space. But after after a month everybody accepted the album, expect the BCBG-fans. Werrason didn't really like Celeo, since he hadn't the looks at that time despite of having proved his talents in Duc Herode's band. Because in Wenge, beside of being talented you had to got the looks to join the band. That's also the way how they killed Congolese music, accepting singer in the band who can't sing, but only got the looks. Celeo wasn't supossed to be at the Europe-tour of 1999. But he finally came with help from some donors and support of Adolphe Dominguez. But was then left behind in London by the band, people in London advised him to seek asylum, but he refused. There was a day that he was almost arrested and send back to Congo. Then when he heard that Maison Mere came to Paris, he went there to rejoin the band, but made a big car-accident the day he had to perform at Villejuif. The succes of Solola Bien, made him get respect and a little bit more space. But he was lucky to be at Bercy, because Werrason was angry when he discovered that he had a relationship with female dancer Bibiche Bercy. So he wanted to punish him leaving behind in Kinshasa and replace him by Doudou Kibinda. But he the whole band was against it and they supported Celeo.I knew that Celeo wasn't loved by Werra but why did he kept him for so long?? Celeo lasted only two albums (Temoignage and Sous-Sol) plus Primus Generique with Kene and Roi David and then left or got kicked out by Werra don't rember it, in Europe blogs they used to say he got fired but people from Kin said that he cheated Werra since he couldn't understand that Werra took Brigade, sensing a Bill Clinton 2's situation and furthermore not liking Brigade because of their common ex girlfriend Mimi Chikeva mother of Brandon Avatar which strangely sings exactly like Brigade lol, by the way if you check the live version of Sous-Sol (which by the way had over 2 million views but unfortunately got deleted)You can see Celeo being very present in every of the atalaku space "fighting" with Roi David joking with Prince and if I don't go wrong even playing with Brigade, you can feel that he wanted to make his leadership strong.You can sense Celeo wasn't that important to Werra by checking the Alerts General CD Cover where Werra took Roi David like a baby and sponsoring him like they did with Ko Yimbi Ko