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http://news.yahoo.com/abducted-tanzanian-albino-boy-found-dead-limbs-severed-163351079.html

I heard about this in connection with Burundi, I didn't know it is also a practice in Tanzania.

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Congolese Music / Re: Can you guys answer this question for me??
« on: February 18, 2015, 22:37 »
If it happens that you hear the sound in one channel only on particular systems, like a headphone, it is possible that the song is originally fine, but who converted it set the output to mono. And different systems treat mono recording differently. Some automatically makes it stereo, others are set to project the sound into a desired channel, left or right. I guess those people who has problems on headphones, when they plug it into their computer, the computer driver detects the headphone, and possibly the driver is set that in case you plug in a headphone, it sends the signal to one channel. Check your audio preferences on the computer and set both for speaker system and headphone that a mono recording should be projected to both channels than to only 1. It is in the preferences of your operating system.

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But actually it is not their money. You talk about this copyright thing as a rule of nature. As if it would be a rule of the universe that if you write a song, it must have a copyright attached to it. Artists can get revenue because somebody once came up with the idea of creating a law for copyright. But it is just and idea, and not a rule of nature. As you can see from the evolution of classical music, having no copyrights can be just as normal as not having it. Songs are not intellectual property because nature made it to be like that, but because some people came up with the idea  that they should be intellectual property. You can accept it or not. Personally I don't accept it. The fact that some thinks it is an intellectual property doesn't mean it have to be that every way. And!!! It doesn't mean that they serve the art the best this way. Read this article, it also says copyrights are actually limiting creativity. It is not only me who is talking about such things:

http://theconversation.com/why-cash-and-copyright-are-bad-news-for-creativity-34696

Copyrights are for the sake of the author, having no copyrights are for the sake of the fans. The balance should be found between the two because else it can become a culture killer.

In this particular case that Tata Nkiadi mentioned, I even find it unetchical that copyright should be paid to the family of Tabu Ley and Franco. They didn't write any song, these are the songs of Franco and Tabu Ley. They lived a life and had time to collect money to raise a family. The decendats should secure their wealth alone, not buy living on the success of their ancestor for ages. It is unethical towards fans, and you cannot exclude his fact because without fans those two guys would be nowehere. And this it something that is a rule of nature. No fans, no art. Copyright is an idea, but this, it is a rock solid rule. And this should be respected.

Moreover, in the recent state Congolese music is in, when sombody sings songs by Tabu Ley and Franco, we should consider it a blessing. Who cares if they pay copyright for those songs or not? We should be happy that these artists and their fans feel desire for hearing those songs, and not turning on MTV instead to feed themselves with foreign music. If we were in the 70's in the booming economical cicrumstance of Zaire, and you would worry about copyrights, I would say, okay. But when Congolese music is in decline (not congolese artists, but the congolese character), if you feel desire to preserve in congolese music what makes it congolese, you should place emphasis on encouraging people to look for the congolese caracter in music rather than threatening them away from it. Insisting on copyrights in the recent economical state of the congolese society and the recent trends in congolese music is rather a threatening factor than encouragement.

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You can definitely keep things going the way you mention, but it is not culture, it is individual business. This copyright thing is especially a concern in the US, there music is not a culture but business. Compare classical music to it from Europe. Pieces can be replayed by any orchestra any time, no revenue issues. And the composers who wrote those pieces lived on support from courts and nobleman especially, and not copyrights, and never found it abnormal when their compositions were replayed by anyone. And those pieces have been played for centuries. Where are US stars compared to this, I have just read Madonna is excluded from UK radios for being unfashionable. Another person who got rich by copyrights. She is rich, but did she became a cultural element? No, just another person to be forgotten soon. American songs survive only until a band is present. If you want to hear your favourite classical song, you browse the net for a concert and find an orchestra that plays it, and you attend that concert. If you want to hear your favourite rock song, what can you do? Put on a CD. But in most cases you have to forget to hear it live unless the band who wrote it is in town. For me this is what is not normal.

Or think of this: you visit masai people in Kenya to see their culture. What do you experience: They geather on the centre of the village and perform music and dance. Tunes, that are centuries years old. It is normal. Noone asks copyright for it. And noone ever did. If there is a song you like, they perform it. The same in my country if you visit a folk musician. If you like a song, you can freely request it and they play it, no matter who wrote that song. If an artist likes a song he can freely play it in public. This is a normal human behavior and noone ever blamed it. These things that I mentioned make a culture a culture.

It would be also absolutely normal that Kelly plays a song of Brown if he likes one of his songs and he feels he would like to play it. Not because of the money, but because he likes it. And I am sure there would even be fans who would appreciate it. Why he does not do it is because of the law, and possibly because the authorities repeated the importance of copyrights so much that they forgot about their normal human needs. And they think something is bad that actually is not. So they don't play the songs of each other. If they would, they would represent a culture. As they do not do it, it is not a culture thy represent but private businesses, that are called: R. Kelly and J. Brown.

This attitude towards copyright serves only the interests of individuals. There was always one thing that benefited from it: North American music and the industry behind it. I cannot find rationalism in that if you like a song, you cannot ask a musician to play it for you live, and you as a musician cannot perform a song in public if you like it. And if you have a friend who would like to ask a CD from you, you cannot copy it for him, if he cannot afford buying it. Blaming all these things for the sake of some people to gain money is not a rational thing to my mind. If these were abnormal human behaviors, noone would ever need a song to be heard anywhere. But there is need, because people like to hear what they like. And this is in what copyright limits them. Artists should understand, there are features of music making that they may not like but this is how it goes. They can deny it and insist on copyrights, but the outcome will be a music factory rather than an artistic production. And that everything you make won't be remembered. If it's worth for them, let they do it, but this doesn't serve the purpose of a culture, nor does it serve the interest of fans.

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Bencuri, you can't use someone else's material that is copyrighted without their permission or atleast paying some type of payment to that person.Wheter  its products, clothes, CDs etc. people don't won't other people to gain money and credit on their work. American artists sometimes use the same extract lyrics it beats in their music but will change it around so they won't get hit with lawsuits. And there has been good Congolese albums in the last 10 years.

If you write a song and become famous with it, and then years after someone takes this song and reuses it and becomes famous with it too, not by claiming it as his own song, but just by playing it, copyrights shouldn't be claimed, or only to a limited extent. When you write song and someone uses it and he becomes famous by it but you remain unknown, in that case copyright should be claimed.

Music and songs are not physical objects like meat. You cannot sell it by pound. Things like pirate copying and reuse appear because in some aspect they are normal human needs. And lawmakers should consider the circumstances when copyright Claims should be overlooked, even if there is pirate copying or reuse. If you copy a CD and give the copy to a friend who is interested in that music but has no money to buy every single album from the shop, it is normal. Even if lawmakes try to blame it. It is as normal as when you have a grilfriend and you feel the need to make love with her. When pirate copying reaches an unethical extent, that is another story. For example you want to make a business by pirate copying. That should be sanctioned. The problem with the average copyright law is that it sanctions things that are normal human needs that shouldn't be blamed. It is a normal human need to ask for a song in a concert to be played, even if the song was not written by the artist who is performing at that particular concert. However, recently this is also illegal. But, such needs are what keep a culture alive. If you don't make exceptions in these cases regarding copyrights, you fill the pockets of individuals, but you kill the culture.

Anyway, such ideas that are expressed by me are not unfamiliar in business. In fashion industry, it is a general practice to limit the number of patents. Yet, what you can see the fashion industry is not starving. Because this practice helps to fuel inspiration and creativity. That's why I am saying all the time loosening on copyrights on song reuse could help Congolese music return to its roots and have foreign music gain less impact on it. And the money that would go missing by this from the pockets of the artists should be provided by the government in forms of prizes and support instead. This should be the role of the culural minister to provide a background for it and organize this, and not that he is monitoring all the time whether copyrights are violated or not.

And I don't deny there were albums in the last decade that had got some memorable highlights, but I don't think their level compares to Kalayi Boeing by Wenge, Trop Cest Trop by Extra Musica, Avis de Recherche by Zaiko or Fiesta D'or by Aurlus Mabele. To my mind during the last decade Congolese releases improved only in one aspect: incorporating more foreign elements than before. For me these are not good news.

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This Trio Tasufa thing is the ultimate theme and inspiration for Mbuta Likasu, too.

Anyway, I think you don't address this copyright and revenue problem correctly. Copyright and revenue is useful in certain cases, but shouldn't be administered strictly when it comes to artists borrowing materials from each other. Borrowing old material and reusing it is an ultimate and normal human behavior. This is what builds a culture, this is what guarantees that the values of the past can live on in younger generations. This is something favourable, and this helped making Zairean music big, when the they set up community houses where people could show their traditional culture, and the modern musicians, like Zaiko members, borrowed segments of this cultural heritage, and this is how the person of the atalaku was born. They invited the two person from this traditional scene who became outstanding: Bebe and Nono. Do you think the atalaku thing could evolve so successfully, if those people on the cultural meetings who introduced this role would have insisted on copyright and revenue all the time? For example Bebe and Nono start legal action against Roberto Wunda? Would youu have liked to see no songs with Roberto Wunda for the sake of copyrights? Copyright is what killed culture as a pehomenon in western music. Western pop music is no more a culture, it is a fashion. There are no styles that could become a true 'culture' because artists don't dare to reuse old material due to legal barriers. But without this, there is no culture. One of the most important feature of a culture is that you have a heritage, that the forthcoming generations have access to and they feel like to use it. Insisting on copyrights kills this. This is what killed OK Jazz after Franco's death, and this can be one reason why Congolese music can be even less in the future than it is today. Franco's family made a big debate on revenues, and no authority forced them to stay silent, and consider that what the OK Jazz represents worths way much more socially than the cash the family expect. In the end, the family got its money, but a whole country lost a fuel of its culture. Did it worth? I think no. Artists should understand that a song they write never belongs to them fully. It is partly independent of them, and a public property. They have to allow reuse of their songs, if they want to keep the culture alive. Look at the Congolese artists, they all became selfish, they are chasing their own wealth. What is the result? Not a truly good CD for years. Copyrights has its place: when you want to avoid pirate copies of disks, when you want to collect cash from the radio, and when somebody steals your song, not reuse, but when he claims he wrote it. Those are the occasions for useful administering of copyrights. Borrowing materials and reinterpreting should be free of copyright claims.

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Dany wrote this song recently, it was available on his Facebook profile, thought not the final version. I cannot find it again, maybe he removed it for copyright issues. Did you see it somewhere else where I could listen to it? It was a pretty good track, but I cannot find it anywhere.


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Congolese Music / What happened to Defao's superband project?
« on: February 02, 2015, 23:57 »
I read about a year ago or so that Defao invited several famous Congolese musicians to work on an album with him together. What happened to this project? Is the album on they way? I noticed no follow-ups to this.

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Congolese Music / Please mention new releases
« on: February 02, 2015, 23:54 »
I need to update our advertisements. Please mention the new records that you were talking about lately, so I can add the newest ones. With Artist name and Title. Thanx!  ;D

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Congolese Music / Re: CONGO MUSIC CHART
« on: February 02, 2015, 23:52 »
I think Congolese music has died a natural death. There is a serious gap in music due to the fact that no serious bands have mushroomed over the past 15 years. Its a solo artist affair.  Even those charts you talking of lacks that enthusiasm.

Sad, but it is true. Not sure about the charts however, but the 'natural death' is true. Except for Zaiko, I cannot mention a band that doesn't look like a solo project. Since Extra Musica, no bands emerged on the scene.

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Congolese Music / Re: VIEW'S ON SECULAR MUSIC
« on: February 02, 2015, 23:25 »
You should separate the music and the personality of those who write the lyrics. And also you should consider the history of christian religious and european secular music to understand the behavior of some christian people condemning secular music.

If you look around among tribal and court musics of various cultures in the world, you can find the secular and religious music, and also the everyday and court music does not differ so much. In Europe both does. And this is because of the unnatural and false behavior of the christian chruch in the middle ages. In Europe, about 1500 years ago, or even before, music was tribal or court music, but not christian cout music. When the christian church started to dominate the cultural scene due to its alliance with kings and emperors, they exterminated tribal and non christian court musics, banning anyhing from the church but their own creation. They came up with ideas and determined what a 'clean' music must sound, that lacks anything evil. They determined that music that god prefers has to be monophonic!!!  So accoarding to this, almost all African music, also African tribal music and even recent religious christian music should be considered evil!  I guess you see this way of condeming secular music by the christian church is quite silly. So back to history, in the earily middle ages they exterminated everything from the high-class music other than monophonic. Poliphony was associated with barbars. It all changed when the plague reached Europe. In the 1300's the plague killed millions in Europe, and people saw the chruch could do nothing, and the power of the church weakened. People didn't have the trust in the church as before, and this made it available for the rennaisance to come. Along with this people started to turn back to poliphony again, and secular music started dominating the scene again, and in the forthcoming centuries the chruch tried to keep up with this change, but even today, in Europe at least, they are still in lag. And this causes that many youths simply don't care about the christian church, find it ridiculous and old fashioned. The christian church is struggling because of the mistakes it has done in the middle ages, like: forcing its artificial monophonic music on people by the idea of creating a 'clean' culture, killing many innocent people through inquisition, burning them on fire alive, even scientists like Giordano Bruno (Galilei almost became their victim as well), leading war in the name of Jesus, etc... These are historical facts, that you can read about in history books. The christian chruch did several things that the bible itself forbids. So when you hear priests condemning secular music, think about that the christian church in Europe has a dark and evil past. The institue that says Congolese music is evil, behaved like evil, too. This shows the level of their credibility. And this way you will see their opinion is fake. That's why many people in Europe considers the church leaders: priests, etc. a joke, clowns. Please remember however I am talking about the church as an institute, and not the bible and the christian religion. When you want to evaluate the opinion of priests, you have to separate the bible and the church as an institute. The two is not the same, and histoy has the evidence for it. So if some of you is faithful christian, don't consider my opinion an attack against the bible, I am talking about the institute, the christian church, and not the bible.

Secondly, the modern Congolese music is no different than it was 100 years ago considering its essentials. If you listen to field recordings of Hugh Tracey who recorded many tribal songs in the copperbelt in Katanga, you will hear the tunes are very similar to sebene tunes of today. Also if you listen to the tribal songs composed 50 years ago for guitar, the melody is also very similar to sebene tunes. Most of these old tunes has no arrogant lyrics. So if this music could serve a positive purpose once, why should it be considered evil, when some people today use it to express their arrogance? Arrgonat lyrics nowdays has to be considered the problem of the artist. The music is a different thing. It has no relation to whom uses it, this long history of Congolese music is the proof for that. The essence of this music remained unchanged along the decades, and it depends on the artist if he uses it for good or bad. Congolese music is a unique idea, that you can use either this or that way.

And a real life proof about that Congolese music is not evil: I have a friend who had serious mental problems because of the behavior of his parents. He got into hospital, too. He was mentally ill for 4 years. Doctors couldn't help him. They could make his state better but couldn't reach the level that he was in before his depression. One day I switched on some Congolese music on the HiFi of the car while we were travelling somewhere together, and by the end of the day he got cured! In a day, this music made a totally different man from him, something doctors couldn't achieve during 4 years. So when you want to decide if Congolese music is good or bad, think about my story. And this is a true story, my friend himself can testify it, also those friends of us who saw the change of this guy with me.

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Congolese Music / Re: NON ENGLISH POSTS
« on: February 02, 2015, 12:22 »
Guys, indeed, please stick to posts in English, and provide a brief English summary at least if the original content is  in another language. This forum intends to represent Congolese music in English, if there are too many posts in other languages, that lowers the revelancy of the content and the site becomes more and more discredited. Just imagine if someone is visiting this site because he expects content about Congolese music in English, and he finds not every topic is in that language, he might get fed up with needing to search for English posts a lot, and then decide look for info elsewhere. That won't do good for us or the mission of this site. That's why it is important to stick to English, and provide at least an English summary for foreign videos. Cheers!

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I don't know the background why that pastor did this, however hearing such news as a European, I have to say it is something favourable. In Europe, there is a big gap between religious and non-religious music, and it is a serious problem. It is a historical heritage, a big burden on European culture, and a disadvantage. It is something artificial, and not natural. Pastors here now try to incorporate pop styles into the religious music to overcome this problem, but it is still not enough to satisfy people as much as real pop music. As if the methods of the chruch were still in decades or even centuries of lag. Because of this, a religious ceremony seems more just a play than a revelation, something that is very far from the people's mind. I am talking about white man's ceremonies now, let me emphasize.

So I think what this African pastor did is somehow a normal approach and this is what can bring religion closer to everyday people. Maybe he did it for some crazy purpose, or he went further than needed, but yet this act could be a good example to the pastors here where I live.

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General / Re: Police in Kinshasa running away from protetsters
« on: January 26, 2015, 21:21 »
What do you mean exactly, Sab? I don't really understand what you mean by that "wrong part"?

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General / Re: Police in Kinshasa running away from protetsters
« on: January 23, 2015, 00:28 »
Good news that people are rising and let their power be seen. However the problem is: this alone won't bring a change finally. It is a neccessary first step, but not enough, even if they mange to oust Kabila. No matter who gets into power, one man won't bring a change. Bacause until Congolese people doesn't know how to administer and manage a country properly, no matter who is in the leader's chair, the situation in the country won't be better. Until mismanagement characterizes the country leadership,  there is no hope for the change in the life circumstance of people.

Unfortunately this is a heritage of the colonial era. The result of the way the belgians governed. Though the majority of the population was black, a small group of belgians could keep them under their rule because only they knew how to administer and manage the life and economy of a modern country. They kept those key administrational positions for themselves, this was the key to their power. Finally the people rise up, they left, and all their propety landed in the hands of Africans, especially after the Zairization. But did it bring a change? No. Rather a decline. Now the situation is worse than it was 50 years ago. And this is because though they handed over what they created to Congolese people, they didn't teach them how to "use those" things. The class of the society that was in charge to administer and manage that "property" went missing when they left the country after the independence, and this gap is still unfilled even today.  As if the driver left a train in motion and all the passengers were travelling on a vehicle they cannot control, because they weren't taught how to drive the train, they were only taught how to travel on it.

What Congolese do as management and administration can only be considered an "improvization" at best, but it is by far not a proper knowledge. And until the people of Congo don't make efforts to train a bunch of people on foreign universities for proper administration, the country won't recover from its ruins. It is not enough that there are businessman, that is only for the economy. People need to be trained for other segments of country management, too. This is how its done in Europe, and if Congo wants a better future, this is how it must happen there. Until then, no matter who is the president, if his staff mismanages things, nothing will change. This caused the decline of Zaire and this will prevent the developement in the future too. If people in Congo don't try to make efforts to change this situation, they will always be running after the modern countires of Europe, but will never reach that social wealth and satisfaction, no matter what minerals are in the soil of the country. Minerals guarantee only money, but not knowledge for proper management. Without that, the money is just flowing away.

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