Quote from: CM PRINCE on May 06, 2018, 23:54Seben is not what got people outside of Congo to love our music. Congolese music was played all over Africa since the 60's. Mbilia Bel is one of the most famous african musician in Latin America, especially Colombia, she never played seben. Franco was famous all over Africa, even the world. He wasn't a seben based musician.
Seben is not what got people outside of Congo to love our music. Congolese music was played all over Africa since the 60's. Mbilia Bel is one of the most famous african musician in Latin America, especially Colombia, she never played seben. Franco was famous all over Africa, even the world. He wasn't a seben based musician.
There's a common misconception on what the sebene really is. in Marie Louise, Wendo Kolosoy yelled out in a "Yoka sebene" and the guitarists plucked out danceable melodies and rhythms, in a rhumba song. When it comes to the sebene, nakoyoka ba kulutus. They're the pioneers before Wenge, Zaiko, African Jazz etc. So when I hear people like you say, people outside of Congo don't care about the sebene, that's not true. To many Europeans, the sebene can be in a rhumba song. Franco thrived on the sebene: the danceable instrumental ending of a song.Somehow through the Evolution of Congolese music, the sebene has been misconstrued to only belong to fast paced songs like generiques. I blame this on Soukous and Ndombolo.
Quote from: Paysan Congolais on May 08, 2018, 03:25Quote from: CM PRINCE on May 06, 2018, 23:54Seben is not what got people outside of Congo to love our music. Congolese music was played all over Africa since the 60's. Mbilia Bel is one of the most famous african musician in Latin America, especially Colombia, she never played seben. Franco was famous all over Africa, even the world. He wasn't a seben based musician. There's a common misconception on what the sebene really is. in Marie Louise, Wendo Kolosoy yelled out in a "Yoka sebene" and the guitarists plucked out danceable melodies and rhythms, in a rhumba song. When it comes to the sebene, nakoyoka ba kulutus. They're the pioneers before Wenge, Zaiko, African Jazz etc. So when I hear people like you say, people outside of Congo don't care about the sebene, that's not true. To many Europeans, the sebene can be in a rhumba song. Franco thrived on the sebene: the danceable instrumental ending of a song.Somehow through the Evolution of Congolese music, the sebene has been misconstrued to only belong to fast paced songs like generiques. I blame this on Soukous and Ndombolo.
Quote from: Franco Pepe Kalle on May 08, 2018, 04:49Evoloko was totally overrated singer in the Zaiko age. He was never that special to begin with. Unfortunately people such as my idols Franco and Pepe Kalle thought he was "special". This man was a wreck in making. His voice is so annoying. He is not the worst singer but he is not the best at all. For some reason my parents love his songs so much that they always want me to play them. I don't know what they see special about him. SMH. Koffi Olomide was better with Josky than with everyone else. Josky and Koffi Olomide had a special musical connection that Koffi did not have with anyone else. Josky gave Koffi the chance to express himself in many ways. Franco was better with Vicky Longomba than with Madilu System or Youlou Mabiala. Franco and Vicky understood each other well musically better than they did with others. Vicky was a classical tenor singer while Franco was a wild baritone singer and they mashed to a accurate harmony. Nyboma belonged to Pepe Kalle and not Madilu. Pepe Kalle made Nyboma a better singer than anyone else. Including Koffi Olomide, Wuta Mayi, Madilu, and others. Papa Wemba should have done a duet song with Ntesa Dalienst. Ntesa and Papa Wemba would have been a better duoFranco should have gotten Tino Minkwa into OKJ. He would have been a great addition into OKJ. Fally Ipupa and Heritier need to do a duet together Madilu, Papa Wemba and Tabu Ley would have been a great trio. Koffi Olomide was very jealous of the Wenge Musica style of music. and I got more but that is what I got so far.That's not true, more people will dance to Solola Bien than Ndombolo ya Solo. little kids born in the late 90's and 2000's dont even know hot to dance Ndombolo Ya Solo, since that there isn't a videoclip. While Solola Bien is each year promoted on Instagram-pages. It's also many times very rare to hear Ndombolo Ya Solo on parties or it had to be a 50th anniversairy of someone or people who like JB Mpiana alot. If they put generics of JB Mpiana then it's mostly only Mpunda and Kipe Ya Yo (Lopele).
Evoloko was totally overrated singer in the Zaiko age. He was never that special to begin with. Unfortunately people such as my idols Franco and Pepe Kalle thought he was "special". This man was a wreck in making. His voice is so annoying. He is not the worst singer but he is not the best at all. For some reason my parents love his songs so much that they always want me to play them. I don't know what they see special about him. SMH. Koffi Olomide was better with Josky than with everyone else. Josky and Koffi Olomide had a special musical connection that Koffi did not have with anyone else. Josky gave Koffi the chance to express himself in many ways. Franco was better with Vicky Longomba than with Madilu System or Youlou Mabiala. Franco and Vicky understood each other well musically better than they did with others. Vicky was a classical tenor singer while Franco was a wild baritone singer and they mashed to a accurate harmony. Nyboma belonged to Pepe Kalle and not Madilu. Pepe Kalle made Nyboma a better singer than anyone else. Including Koffi Olomide, Wuta Mayi, Madilu, and others. Papa Wemba should have done a duet song with Ntesa Dalienst. Ntesa and Papa Wemba would have been a better duoFranco should have gotten Tino Minkwa into OKJ. He would have been a great addition into OKJ. Fally Ipupa and Heritier need to do a duet together Madilu, Papa Wemba and Tabu Ley would have been a great trio. Koffi Olomide was very jealous of the Wenge Musica style of music. and I got more but that is what I got so far.
Quote from: mvulusi96 on May 08, 2018, 14:37Quote from: Franco Pepe Kalle on May 08, 2018, 04:49Evoloko was totally overrated singer in the Zaiko age. He was never that special to begin with. Unfortunately people such as my idols Franco and Pepe Kalle thought he was "special". This man was a wreck in making. His voice is so annoying. He is not the worst singer but he is not the best at all. For some reason my parents love his songs so much that they always want me to play them. I don't know what they see special about him. SMH. Koffi Olomide was better with Josky than with everyone else. Josky and Koffi Olomide had a special musical connection that Koffi did not have with anyone else. Josky gave Koffi the chance to express himself in many ways. Franco was better with Vicky Longomba than with Madilu System or Youlou Mabiala. Franco and Vicky understood each other well musically better than they did with others. Vicky was a classical tenor singer while Franco was a wild baritone singer and they mashed to a accurate harmony. Nyboma belonged to Pepe Kalle and not Madilu. Pepe Kalle made Nyboma a better singer than anyone else. Including Koffi Olomide, Wuta Mayi, Madilu, and others. Papa Wemba should have done a duet song with Ntesa Dalienst. Ntesa and Papa Wemba would have been a better duoFranco should have gotten Tino Minkwa into OKJ. He would have been a great addition into OKJ. Fally Ipupa and Heritier need to do a duet together Madilu, Papa Wemba and Tabu Ley would have been a great trio. Koffi Olomide was very jealous of the Wenge Musica style of music. and I got more but that is what I got so far.That's not true, more people will dance to Solola Bien than Ndombolo ya Solo. little kids born in the late 90's and 2000's dont even know hot to dance Ndombolo Ya Solo, since that there isn't a videoclip. While Solola Bien is each year promoted on Instagram-pages. It's also many times very rare to hear Ndombolo Ya Solo on parties or it had to be a 50th anniversairy of someone or people who like JB Mpiana alot. If they put generics of JB Mpiana then it's mostly only Mpunda and Kipe Ya Yo (Lopele).In Congolese weddings and parties, Ndombolo and Loi are more played than Solola bien when it comes to throwback. Intervention rapide is basically never mentioned at all. Even on Youtube Loi and Ndombolo Ya Solo has more views than Solola Bien.
Saying Franco thrived on the seben is basically blasphemy. Plus, where do you get the idea that : 1) european listened to our music 2) it was because of "seben"
Quote from: Franco Pepe Kalle on May 08, 2018, 04:49Evoloko was totally overrated singer in the Zaiko age. He was never that special to begin with. Unfortunately people such as my idols Franco and Pepe Kalle thought he was "special". This man was a wreck in making. His voice is so annoying. He is not the worst singer but he is not the best at all. For some reason my parents love his songs so much that they always want me to play them. I don't know what they see special about him. SMH. Koffi Olomide was better with Josky than with everyone else. Josky and Koffi Olomide had a special musical connection that Koffi did not have with anyone else. Josky gave Koffi the chance to express himself in many ways. Franco was better with Vicky Longomba than with Madilu System or Youlou Mabiala. Franco and Vicky understood each other well musically better than they did with others. Vicky was a classical tenor singer while Franco was a wild baritone singer and they mashed to a accurate harmony. Nyboma belonged to Pepe Kalle and not Madilu. Pepe Kalle made Nyboma a better singer than anyone else. Including Koffi Olomide, Wuta Mayi, Madilu, and others. Papa Wemba should have done a duet song with Ntesa Dalienst. Ntesa and Papa Wemba would have been a better duoFranco should have gotten Tino Minkwa into OKJ. He would have been a great addition into OKJ. Fally Ipupa and Heritier need to do a duet together Madilu, Papa Wemba and Tabu Ley would have been a great trio. Koffi Olomide was very jealous of the Wenge Musica style of music. and I got more but that is what I got so far.Hahaha say that right in the face to people who were born in the 50's and who witness the succes of Zaiko's Amujagi generation 1971-1974 and they will beat you in your face. Say that even in Koffi's face and he will say that are crazy in your head. It's because of Evoloko that Wemba changed his singing-style Wemba himself was a big fan of Evoloko in Zaiko. Wemba copied Evoloko's singing-style. The problem with Evoloko is that he doesn't do any effort with his voice anymore, since he became the only leader in Langa Langa Stars back in 1985. Back in the years 1973, 74, 75 & 76 every boy wanted to be like Evoloko. Evoloko & Gina Efonge are with Tabu Ley the idols of the most guys born in the 70's. If Evoloko wasn't jealous then Wemba wouldn't get a chance to succeed in his solo career.
Quote from: Paysan Congolais on May 08, 2018, 20:59Saying Franco thrived on the seben is basically blasphemy. Plus, where do you get the idea that : 1) european listened to our music 2) it was because of "seben"Ask ANYONE here who have been a part of these forum groups for 15+ years and they will tell you, we had white members here. Ask those same people why those white members don't contribute anymore. Ask those same members who contributed faithfully to these forums, providing the latest news and reviews on new and past albums; who collected newspaper clippings and books; who attended concerts when artists like Koffi, Wenge, Zaiko or even Franco in the 80s came to their towns; ask those same members who spun Congolese tunes on their local radio stations; or even ask them about the journalists who wrote countless online articles about the evolution of Zaiko and its various offshoot groups like Choc Stars and Langa Langa Stars; ask about the photographers; and LASTLY ask them who had countless records, tapes and CDs spanning over three decades. They will honestly tell you, they were white people. Before we had Archos, we had those people and their resources. As for your argument about Franco and the seben, danceable instrumentals are what he played! Chacun Por Soi, Tala Ba Pesa Merci, AZDA etc. All had sebenes. (I'm probably one of the biggest Franco fan on this forum next to FPK). This new/current meaning of a sebènè is a way to distort what it really is according to history. Even historians and researchers say the same thing.
Having white members on a forum does not mean white people listen to our music. I know white people who like pondu but I'll never say that white people like to eat our food. You're turning anecdote into rule. Congolese music was never popular among westerners. The fact that some white people with a big curiosity were interested in our music does not change that. Our music was popular in Congo and Africa. The average african man listened to congolese music. The average westerner did not know about it or did not care about it. This is like saying that Africans listened to Johnny Haliday. It's not true, even though you'll find some Africans who listened to him.
You're listing songs with sebens, but you can't prove that Franco success came from those seben. If the seben was so important why in most cases the seben part was smaller than the rumba part ? And how many pure seben songs back then ? A lot of songs also did not have seben. You can't prove that seben is what drove people outside of Congo to listen to our music. It's something people always claimed but they can't prove it.
Once again, the seben of the 60's is way different from what we call seben today.
Whats these other forums you guys speak of