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It is sad to see best friends ending up by becoming enemies. Did Depitcho ever met JDT after all those years ?

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lol, Bizima claimes that Marie Paul was paying him 300 dollars. I really doubt it because they were only performing in Kinshasa and most concerts there are/were max. 1000 dollars (having already 4 admins and a band with more than 25+ musicians), being forced to live through donors like PDG Nkonkou Costa, Tchatcho Mbala Kashogi, Frida Mushi, etc. and families/fans who had alot of sympathy for them for the way they were blocked in Kinshasa were often helping them by paying gasoline for Manda Chante, Marie Paul, Depitcho and Dello Bass. They didn't also had a sponsor like Unibra/Bracongo (Skol),  Bralima (Primus) or Amstel Beer that General Defao, Zaiko Langa Langa, Pepe Kalle and Papa Wemba had and were rarely going outside DR Congo, only once in 1999 after Couvre Feu when they went to Tanzania, Malawi & South Africa (not counting the trip to the diamondvillage Tembo in Angola). So I'm really doubting about it.


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yeah that was Papy Deluxe, he was the same who claimed that many musicians in his era (98-03) were gay and that those guys where going with their boysfriends to clubs, naming also Fally.



Emeneya once said that Bipoli tried multiple times to kill him through Edingwe and other witchdoctors/wrestlers (he even dedicated a song to him, which JB used in the TH-generique), when he created Victoria Principal but it didn't work.

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Congolese Music / Re: Question 2: Quality of music produced.
« on: July 31, 2020, 23:20 »
1982-2002.

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Congolese Music / Re: Question 1 : Influence
« on: July 31, 2020, 23:19 »
We can't also ignored the late 50's/60s with African Jazz who were known not only in Black Africa, but also in North Africa (Egypt, Tunesia, Maroc and Algeria).

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Congolese Music / Re: Question 1 : Influence
« on: July 31, 2020, 23:18 »
The early 70s, when Tabu Ley was invited signed a contract for 6 months to perform at Olympia everyday (Mobutu messed it up), Abeti Masikini performing in 1973 and twice 1975 at Olympia Bruno Coquatrix as second african women after Myriam Makeba and also at Carnegie Hall in New York in 1974. Sosoliso also getting a contract for Olympia in 1976, but problems with Mobutu, messing it up. Zaiko creating the Cavacha rhythm that play until this day and people using it in Coupe Decale and today rap of Europe.

Also the late 90s/early 2000s when Koffi Olomide, Papa Wemba, King Kester Emeneya, Werrason, JB Mpiana and co started to perform at big halls in Paris (Zenith, Olympia & Bercy) and perfoming in African stadiums like it were their playground.

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Congolese Music / Re: WHAT IS THE SECRET OF ZAIKO?
« on: July 31, 2020, 23:02 »
Nono Monzuluku isn't in Zaiko anymore since 2003, after that incident that made go Nyoka Long to jail.



I think you talk about Doudou Adoula who's there since 1988, when Zaiko split into two groups (Zaiko Familia Dei & Zaiko Nkolo Mboka).



From 1969 to 2003, Zaiko used to be a band of competition like Quartier Latin, Choc Stars, Empire Bakuba, etc.  many musicians left and many musicians came in. Only admins like Meridjo, Oncle Bapius stayed until 1999 when Nyoka Longo forced them out, because of not leave the position of president, after being exposed of stealing money. The thing with Zaiko is that they doesn't have the prove anything to people and just took Bana Ok's position of being a band that plays for joy and to make people of their generation happy and not to fight for the n1 place.

lol, you are really obsessed with nkisi, you want to become a witchdoctor ?hahahaha. It's already known that 80% of all bandleaders signed a pact with the devil. I guess that you heard that story through you parents or uncle. Maybe you didn't undertstand well, the problem was that their founder DV Muanda died and that he decided to inherit the "mpungu of Zaiko" that he left, while others (Bimi Ombale, Mbuta Matima, Zamuangana, etc.) just were interested in getting the stuff of his house (that is according people close to them and the street, not know if it's true, because I wasn't there when it happened). Then years later when Zaiko became like a rival of the legendary band Kassav, having performed in Japan and the west-indies, Zaiko-members were complaining about the way their were paid, while Nyoka Longo and the admins (Zamuangana, Mbuta Matima, Oncle Bapius and Meridjo) were buying cars and having alot of money, being already dissapointed about the way Nyoka Longo refused PDG Ngossana proposition of building a Zaiko-quarter in Kinshasa. Nyoka Longo then apparently replied to them that they have to work with him in the spiritual field if they wanted to have the same salary. According to many people that was the reason that lead to the split of Zaiko Langa Langa, but it was never confirmed by Lengi Lenga, Bimi Ombale or Ilo Pablo who were the founders of Zaiko Familia Dei.

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So Koffi's Bercy was supposed to be animated by 3 atalaku's (Bizima, Ocean & CNN) ? Bizima says here that Mustapha had normally to stay behind in Kinshasa, but for whom did he travel ? Chikito Mutakatif, Spino or Babia ?

I don't believe in that story of Edingwe giving him some stuff that made Werrason fall motorcycle in front of YMCA, Dello Bass clearly said that El Paris-fans went to throw stones to him and later also to Adolphe, thinking about getting all the people of Matonge and Kasa Vubu with him towards Stade des Martyrs (I also think that he wanted to humilate Marie Paul, thinking that he really finished him and that he steal all his fans to go towards the stadium with him)

Ado Yuhe missed the opportunity to talk about the way the press and public voted him as "Best atalaku of the year 1998" because of succes of Couvre Feu, the famous event at Palais du Peuple where Marie Paul came with a tshipoyi and Evenement Jaune at Stade de 20 Mai. He also forgot to ask about the trip to Europe through Brazzaville, which a important point in the history of Wenge El Paris, since that they were 7 year blocked in Kinshasa and everything went wrong during the tour until that everybody left. The trip caused not only joy, but alot of anger, stress and sadness. Because veterans like Alain Mwepu, Doukoure, Ya Yuyu and Yenga Zino stayed behind, admins like Belis Mfumu Luvutula RIP (who used to be Wenge 4x4's first president and gave Marie Paul the right to use the name Wenge) stayed behind while they had received visa's for the tour and guys like Pitshou Santiago and Janvier Okota going with their passeports. I though that Bizima would talk about that, but Ado was surely tired towards the end.

I thought that Manda Chante was the president and Depitcho Savanet the vice-president. I don't understand why the sound went off when Bizima was about the explain that Depitcho was causing for alot of problems in El Paris and at one point image stopped. Was it that he sleeping with women of rich people or what ? Bizima saying that Depitcho wanted to become the main leader of El Paris anddoesn't make sense, because the main star of El Paris was Marie Paul and Depitcho didn't come from Wenge 4x4 and if you want to become the main leader why would you end up by joining a band like Quartier Latin? I hope that someone of El Paris clearly explain the story of Depitcho's departure.

Nobody, including Marie Paul himself is clear about the real reasons of  Marie Paul's and Werrason's conflict. I think that the story of Marie Paul losing his mystical powers at Stade des Martyrs to Werrason are just "lisolo ya bala-bala" and just interpretation of public for the way Marie Paul felt when coming in and Werrason who performed before him going away with all the public. Because after that event they were still supporting each other. Werrason even sung his name at Palais du Peuple during Coco Madimba, which was the last concert before the went to Europe. Pitshou Santiango once said that they were in Tanzania during that event of Werrason at Palais du Peuple and that Marie Paul went to wake them up, being happy that Werrason showed his supremacy towards JB Mpiana who performed there two weeks earlier.

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Savanet Depitcho recruited many talented musicians in El Paris, guys like Pitshou Santiango, Bizima Kondos, Patou Bofosa, etc.


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On the Solange Muana Suka LP of 1992, that album is very rare like Wenge Live (1990) (remix-album of Mulolo). The album had the songs of Mulopwe, Savon Santé, etc.

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Wemba was lying, he said that he didn't smoke, but that isn't true. He used to smoke alot of cigarrests and joints in the 70s and 80s (you him often see doing it in those documentaries and rare interviews). Then when he started with world-music he tried to stop, but from the late 90s he started smoking cigars. I remember him once saying in 2014, that his daugthers took his cigars away, because he had difficulties with stopping smoking it.

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Congolese Music / Re: Wenge Pusana Tovanda Live
« on: July 30, 2020, 15:21 »
is he working as a session guitarist, Most of the top Congolese guitarists are now based in Europe, what are they all doing? Makaba, Mboka Liya, Japonaise, Kapaya Flam, Christian solo, Bob Solo, just to mention the few. I do remember in the 90s soloists like Dally Kimono, Diblo, Nene Tchakou, Beniko, Saladin  and later Cahen Madoka  were featuring in most songs for not only Congolese Musicians but West Africa as well. Is this still the case?

Japonais & Makaba are in Kinshasa, Japonais recently joined Heritier's band. Christian Solo works with European based gospel artists, Flamme Kapaya is now a brother in christ and Mboka Liya lives in London and works with London based Congolese artists and often performs in restaurants, bars & churches. Guys like Michel Bass, Jean Louis Bikunda, Caien Madoka and co are often featered in albums of Congolese artists (Fabregas, Heritier, Ferre and co) and some coming from Ivory Coast & Cameroun, because the musicians of today living in Africa don't really have that artistic maturity. The impact is less, because most songs are with the acoustic guitars or programmed keyboards and not that live-music that we used to hear in the past.

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Congolese Music / Re: Koffi & suzuki @paris
« on: July 29, 2020, 22:49 »
Through those girls of the elite living in Binza, Gombe, etc. who were giving them money and them going to their houseparties,etc. Also the donors (many music-donors were drugdealers, I will not mention their names). Eric Tutsi talked about that (he had also a drugproblem) and how Koffi helped him through Fifi who was then in Kinshasa. Suzuki, Babia, Willy Bula and Eric Tutsi were really addicted to it (but it went wrong with Babia & Eric Tutsi). Babia first didn't drink alcohol, smoking weed and use strong drugs, but he came in touch with it after getting released from prison, living then with in Paris with Bana Ndjili who selling drugs (waiting for Koffi to come), with the years it became worser, having also his ex'wife (the mother of Prince) using it. There was a moment that Suzuki had a hard life in Europe, people feeling sorry for him for the way he was really addicated. Tshetshe le Balle revealed once in his many interviews that he saw Suzuki using coke before the rehearshal. There is one of the Wenge admin who wasn't addicated, but who used to use coke, through his ex'girfriend who used to use it with her friends, he dedicated a song to her in one of the Wenge-albums.


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Did Ferre & Fally ever got received like that in Kinshasa after their Europe-tours (2007-2010) ?

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