Towards the end also a making off

Did you like this album? I was never quite convinced by the team as whole, but each member was talented. I don't understand how Bon Bon Kojack could dance in all the videos but have not a vocal to his name since Temoniage...was Werra mad at him or something?

Ironiccaly, I liked it. After that Temps Present "Mayi ya Sika" didn't convince me. Before the release, I tought that Techno Malewa would be the end of Werrason after that "version automatique" got leaked. Everybody critized it. But when the album got released, I had something like wow when hearing "version mecanique" of the generique. My favorite song was Salon d'Honnheur and I used to like Diego Music and Par Amour alot. Yeah, the team wasn't a dream team. But the Congolese music-scene had changed. The level of Congolese bands dropped, but people weren't noticing really it, which could be maybe due to the hysteria of the G5-revolution and the public wanting to see bandleaders sing more to be convinced of their singing-abilities since and also solo-albums. Bandleaders were more looking to singers who had some comedy when singing, copycats of Fally and skinny boys.

Bonbon Kojack was left behind in Kinshasa when Wenge Maison Mere went abroad for 6 months in Europe. Accoring to Kene-Kene they did that because, it was rumored that Kene-Kene, Bonbon Kojack and another artist (I don't remember who) would get papers. But that's contradictory if you see that some guys (Miel for example) of the Temps Present-era received papers later on. Anyway, Bonbon Kojack started to have issues with his voices and Werrason used often to humilate him in public during concerts and rehearshals at la zamba playa. There used to be a concert on youtube of them performing at FIKIN, but the channel having that video is closed. Many girls were dissapointed when discovering that Bonbon Kojack was left behind, because he used to have many fans over there. During that period Taddet de Monticule took his role when being in Europe. When Wenge Maison Mere returned he continued to have problems with his voice and at some point he started to become ill. He had only one vocal in Temps Present. In that period it was rumored that he was about to join Ferre Gola's band and even reported in the press, but I don't know what happened. Bonbon Kojack would also miss the trip to Zenith 2008. His problems would become with the day worser. There was a moment that it was reported by the press that Bonbon Kojack died. But luckily he was still alive. It was said that they were already transporting his body to the morgue before that he wake up. Bonbon Kojack would make a comeback when recovering. Werrason let him participate in the videoclips of Techno Malewa volume 1 and was also thinking about giving him a song, but changed his mind on the last minute, preferring to give him that opportunity in volume 2 . Bonbon Kojack would go to Zenith 2010. After Europe tour 2010, he preferred to stay in Europe which made his song being erased from Malewa 2. Years later, Bonbon Kojack claimed that he was victim of spiritual attacks by Taddet de Monticule and Miel de son which made him lose his voice, also how he almost died, the way Taddet took his official girlfriend, etc.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9c716?syndication=110766
the video of Bonbon Kojack in the hospital

Ironiccaly, I liked it. After that Temps Present "Mayi ya Sika" didn't convince me. Before the release, I tought that Techno Malewa would be the end of Werrason after that "version automatique" got leaked. Everybody critized it. But when the album got released, I had something like wow when hearing "version mecanique" of the generique. My favorite song was Salon d'Honnheur and I used to like Diego Music and Par Amour alot. Yeah, the team wasn't a dream team. But the Congolese music-scene had changed. The level of Congolese bands dropped, but people weren't noticing really it, which could be maybe due to the hysteria of the G5-revolution and the public wanting to see bandleaders sing more to be convinced of their singing-abilities since and also solo-albums. Bandleaders were more looking to singers who had some comedy when singing, copycats of Fally and skinny boys.

Bonbon Kojack was left behind in Kinshasa when Wenge Maison Mere went abroad for 6 months in Europe. Accoring to Kene-Kene they did that because, it was rumored that Kene-Kene, Bonbon Kojack and another artist (I don't remember who) would get papers. But that's contradictory if you see that some guys (Miel for example) of the Temps Present-era received papers later on. Anyway, Bonbon Kojack started to have issues with his voices and Werrason used often to humilate him in public during concerts and rehearshals at la zamba playa. There used to be a concert on youtube of them performing at FIKIN, but the channel having that video is closed. Many girls were dissapointed when discovering that Bonbon Kojack was left behind, because he used to have many fans over there. During that period Taddet de Monticule took his role when being in Europe. When Wenge Maison Mere returned he continued to have problems with his voice and at some point he started to become ill. He had only one vocal in Temps Present. In that period it was rumored that he was about to join Ferre Gola's band and even reported in the press, but I don't know what happened. Bonbon Kojack would also miss the trip to Zenith 2008. His problems would become with the day worser. There was a moment that it was reported by the press that Bonbon Kojack died. But luckily he was still alive. It was said that they were already transporting his body to the morgue before that he wake up. Bonbon Kojack would make a comeback when recovering. Werrason let him participate in the videoclips of Techno Malewa volume 1 and was also thinking about giving him a song, but changed his mind on the last minute, preferring to give him that opportunity in volume 2 . Bonbon Kojack would go to Zenith 2010. After Europe tour 2010, he preferred to stay in Europe which made his song being erased from Malewa 2. Years later, Bonbon Kojack claimed that he was victim of spiritual attacks by Taddet de Monticule and Miel de son which made him lose his voice, also how he almost died, the way Taddet took his official girlfriend, etc.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9c716?syndication=110766
the video of Bonbon Kojack in the hospital

What was it about Mayi ya Sika that you didn't convince you? I really enjoyed the rhumbas on the album with Tia Nga A L'asie, Chantal Bis, Predateur, and Le Representant being my favorite. To this day, I still revisit those songs!

As far the sebenes go, but the animators never had that chemistry of Bill/Celeo or Celeo/Roi David/Brigade. But despite that, I still liked Lobeso and it was nice seeing Diego Cao have success after Tonya Tonya.

When I think about it, only Fabregas and Heritier has a successful solo career from that team...

I don't like the album. Also their level dropped hard really if you compare it the their previous albums. Many songs were just garbage. From the 18 song, maybe just 7 or 8 were good. You can hear that they didn't record the album with love and alot of determination.  Until this day, I regret the money I spend for the two cd/dvd (the blue volume  1 & the black volume 2). The album is garbage if you compare to other albums and EPs of that period (BEK, Riposte, Quel est Ton Probleme, Que Demande le Peuple, etc.). Then thinking that they spent months to record/re-record, delaying the release, etc. If it wasn't the succes of Le Representant then, they would had the change the Mayi ya Sika-squad. Heritier was hardly criticized on that album for not being able to let his song carry the album and fans starting to claim that Depick was better than him. The same for Brigade, people claiming that he failed in he generique (looking back on it, he just did a good job in my opinion) and saying that Diego was better than him. It was one of the reasons wjy Werrason decided to let Diego start Techno Malewa Mecanique and put Brigade towards the end in that generique. I always laugh very hard when people were voting between BEK and Temps Present on Skyrock and die hard WMM defending their album.

My favourite maison mère album either this or temps present temps present.
Salon d’honneur
Par amour
Mitterand champagne
Diego music

Being my favourite songs

Ironiccaly, I liked it. After that Temps Present "Mayi ya Sika" didn't convince me. Before the release, I tought that Techno Malewa would be the end of Werrason after that "version automatique" got leaked. Everybody critized it. But when the album got released, I had something like wow when hearing "version mecanique" of the generique. My favorite song was Salon d'Honnheur and I used to like Diego Music and Par Amour alot. Yeah, the team wasn't a dream team. But the Congolese music-scene had changed. The level of Congolese bands dropped, but people weren't noticing really it, which could be maybe due to the hysteria of the G5-revolution and the public wanting to see bandleaders sing more to be convinced of their singing-abilities since and also solo-albums. Bandleaders were more looking to singers who had some comedy when singing, copycats of Fally and skinny boys.

Bonbon Kojack was left behind in Kinshasa when Wenge Maison Mere went abroad for 6 months in Europe. Accoring to Kene-Kene they did that because, it was rumored that Kene-Kene, Bonbon Kojack and another artist (I don't remember who) would get papers. But that's contradictory if you see that some guys (Miel for example) of the Temps Present-era received papers later on. Anyway, Bonbon Kojack started to have issues with his voices and Werrason used often to humilate him in public during concerts and rehearshals at la zamba playa. There used to be a concert on youtube of them performing at FIKIN, but the channel having that video is closed. Many girls were dissapointed when discovering that Bonbon Kojack was left behind, because he used to have many fans over there. During that period Taddet de Monticule took his role when being in Europe. When Wenge Maison Mere returned he continued to have problems with his voice and at some point he started to become ill. He had only one vocal in Temps Present. In that period it was rumored that he was about to join Ferre Gola's band and even reported in the press, but I don't know what happened. Bonbon Kojack would also miss the trip to Zenith 2008. His problems would become with the day worser. There was a moment that it was reported by the press that Bonbon Kojack died. But luckily he was still alive. It was said that they were already transporting his body to the morgue before that he wake up. Bonbon Kojack would make a comeback when recovering. Werrason let him participate in the videoclips of Techno Malewa volume 1 and was also thinking about giving him a song, but changed his mind on the last minute, preferring to give him that opportunity in volume 2 . Bonbon Kojack would go to Zenith 2010. After Europe tour 2010, he preferred to stay in Europe which made his song being erased from Malewa 2. Years later, Bonbon Kojack claimed that he was victim of spiritual attacks by Taddet de Monticule and Miel de son which made him lose his voice, also how he almost died, the way Taddet took his official girlfriend, etc.


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9c716?syndication=110766
the video of Bonbon Kojack in the hospital

Did Flamme Kapaya participate in Temps Present, if so what songs? He was with them for some concerts in 2007. Also, why did Thierry Mogratana leave? He would of became the number one soloist with Flamme leaving, even Christian Solo and Michel Bass ran away. Werra was losing so many artists.

Wenge MM was crowded. Were there anyone from the new team you expected to have a strong solo career? For me, I had high hopes for Taddet, Heritier, and Cappuccino but only Heritier and Fabregas managed to really graduate into a successful solo career.

Did Heritier leave at the right time? Or should he had left earlier? I believe he was ready to go solo by this album

Temps Present was already finished in 2007 and Flamme Kapaya did the mixing and also brought the final product to Werrason, but Werrason wanting to record another generique (I believe that I knew that Flamme would leave soon). After Flamme they erased all his work except his contribution in Elliot Mondombe’s song (I forgot the title, but Taddet lead there). Thierry Mogratana became the n1 solist but after a few months he decided to go back to Europe to short his papers out. This made Christian become the lead guitarist of WMM.

I excerpted nobody to become a big bandleader because they didn’t had in my opinion the charisma musicians of the 1997-2006 had. I used to hate Heritier back in those days. Heritier left on the right moment, but I believe that he could do also wonder if he left 2011 when Werrason slept him in his face.

am i the only one who does not like malewa and kisanola dance?i mean its not thats its bad,but it was not making me instantly dance like ndombolo,kitisela,koyimbiko and dances like that

Temps Present was already finished in 2007 and Flamme Kapaya did the mixing and also brought the final product to Werrason, but Werrason wanting to record another generique (I believe that I knew that Flamme would leave soon). After Flamme they erased all his work except his contribution in Elliot Mondombe’s song (I forgot the title, but Taddet lead there). Thierry Mogratana became the n1 solist but after a few months he decided to go back to Europe to short his papers out. This made Christian become the lead guitarist of WMM.

I excerpted nobody to become a big bandleader because they didn’t had in my opinion the charisma musicians of the 1997-2006 had. I used to hate Heritier back in those days. Heritier left on the right moment, but I believe that he could do also wonder if he left 2011 when Werrason slept him in his face.

What made him slap Heritier? Wow, I thought Heritier couldn't do wrong in Werra's eyes! So that also means that Celeo had his parts deleted as well? Probably a song since it was a group album as well!

The song you're talking about is Retour Interdite. I can't believe Werra wouldn't honor his promise to Flamme, he's given him so many classic solos since Kibusia!

@archos I agree, there was no more catchy dances anymore. I guess they stopped borrowing from shegues, because I feel like animations are either raunchy. You never see atalakus incorporate folklore or gospel songs as cries like before...

I don't know what the reason was. But it created alot of buzz and people excepting that Heritier left (Heritier not showing up to the next FIKIN). But then suddenly Fabregas left and appeared as guest in JB Mpiana's show and his showing some extracts in the studio of his new album Amour Amour through Bjone, after it from nowhere being in Europe and teaming up with Leny Bidens for his album.

Celeo had a song dedicated to Didi Kinuani. He would release the song under the name Egypto in his solo album Nzoto na Nzoto featering Mirage Supersonic. Apparently, Celeo's contribution in Temps Present was minimal. In the unoffical "Simply the best of" (Sans Poteau) he and Flamme Kapaya didn't even participate, Heritier was lucky and quickly put his voice in some songs. This made the rumors spread that Celeo, Heritier, Flamme Kapaya were about to leave and form their own band (for whatever reason Kakol's name was also mentioned), some even going far that they were about to join Didier Lacoste in his project.

Since the start of Congolese music, bandleaders never kept their promises to musicians.

To say that there were no catchy dances anymore isn't true. You had Lopele, Mpunda, Pigeon, Malewa that was a big hit and other bands trying to dance it through other cries (the dance already being a hit before being called Malewa, by the group Zembe Zembe of Brazzaville and like Yako tia of DJ and Kotazo taking all nightclubs over). Everybody danced Kisanola at that time and Kisanola was the most danced dance in the 2000s after Koyimbi-Ko. It was also the last dance that was danced by all bands (Quartier Latin, Maison Mere, Marquis Samourai, etc.). Bands still get dances from shegue's and traditional bands but less compared to the past and atalaku's aren't creative anymore to find good cries for new dances. Another thing that is they since 2010/11 they prefer to take dances from Ivory Coast and Nigeria, thinking that its more special and "world" (lol, so stupid). Fally for example used DJ Arafat's Kpankanka dance in Power, Koffi also used to some dances of DJ Arafat and Toofan. 

Another thing is that from 2011/12 the concept of having a main cri/dance for an album started to disappear. From the Ndombolo virus to Soyons Serieux/Malewa vol. 2 bands were releasing DVD's of concerts and rehearsal, to prepare people living in Europe for their new album/big event in Europe and main dances/cri's that would appear in the album.

Like the way JB Mpiana had a dvd back in 2006 on the market presenting the new dance Lopele, which sold as hot buns. Werrason with the Le Le Le Le DVD in 2010 and the Malewa rehearsal of 2010, Emeneya in 2006 with Kotazo and Pigeon, Koffi Olomide with Kisanola in 2006, etc.

I don't know what the reason was. But it created alot of buzz and people excepting that Heritier left (Heritier not showing up to the next FIKIN). But then suddenly Fabregas left and appeared as guest in JB Mpiana's show and his showing some extracts in the studio of his new album Amour Amour through Bjone, after it from nowhere being in Europe and teaming up with Leny Bidens for his album.

Celeo had a song dedicated to Didi Kinuani. He would release the song under the name Egypto in his solo album Nzoto na Nzoto featering Mirage Supersonic. Apparently, Celeo's contribution in Temps Present was minimal. In the unoffical "Simply the best of" (Sans Poteau) he and Flamme Kapaya didn't even participate, Heritier was lucky and quickly put his voice in some songs. This made the rumors spread that Celeo, Heritier, Flamme Kapaya were about to leave and form their own band (for whatever reason Kakol's name was also mentioned), some even going far that they were about to join Didier Lacoste in his project.

Since the start of Congolese music, bandleaders never kept their promises to musicians.

To say that there were no catchy dances anymore isn't true. You had Lopele, Mpunda, Pigeon, Malewa that was a big hit and other bands trying to dance it through other cries (the dance already being a hit before being called Malewa, by the group Zembe Zembe of Brazzaville and like Yako tia of DJ and Kotazo taking all nightclubs over). Everybody danced Kisanola at that time and Kisanola was the most danced dance in the 2000s after Koyimbi-Ko. It was also the last dance that was danced by all bands (Quartier Latin, Maison Mere, Marquis Samourai, etc.). Bands still get dances from shegue's and traditional bands but less compared to the past and atalaku's aren't creative anymore to find good cries for new dances. Another thing that is they since 2010/11 they prefer to take dances from Ivory Coast and Nigeria, thinking that its more special and "world" (lol, so stupid). Fally for example used DJ Arafat's Kpankanka dance in Power, Koffi also used to some dances of DJ Arafat and Toofan.

Did Heritier and Fabregas leave Maison Mere with Werra's blessing? It seems as if they went their own way without any serious polemic.

wata was slapped by werra because there was  a fight in front of la zamba and automatically nsone thought  it was heritier's troublesome guys of the chicago 320 gang   and he came and slapped heritier without asking for any explanation,while it was not involving him
it coincided with those who remained with him for the common heritier fabregas fudji abraham workshop putting pressure on him to leave so  wata almost considered leaving until mampata jb seguin and guys like patcho panda stepped in to calm him
 in congolese music the blessing thing rarely exists,the closest case i can think of leaving with blessing is pitchou concorde in cultura who went to europe to be with his sadly dead now brother who was in hospital and who asked to be leaving the group and studying music in france
in most cases even if they try the most diplomatic or the biggest mindgame strategy,it almost always explode at some point
example fabro like i said  in a previous thread fearing that heritier takes the workshop guys  to go solo took the gamble to ask heritier to steal his passport for him in kinshasa pretending to receive money via western union while it still had visa and went back to europe to start solo career,he then got sent people to try to kidnap him and bring him back home(an old strategy musicians have been using sometimes even before clan wenge ever existed) then he kinda started peacefully but by the time he settled back in kinshasa to perform he started  attacking werra for allegedly getting his concert banners ripped in kin's streets and things like that and going as far as saying that the day he dies he does not want werra to come and fake being sad
same with heritier he tried going the diplomatic route by handing a resignation letter to leave the group,which last before reaching administration because each of them was scared to be the one who took it and inform werra about it,but by the time  he'd be trying to put in place a peaceful separation on his side and on maison mere's side there was already court jesters attacking other side which instantly turned his attempt of peaceful leaving into the traditional tense departure of big members of the group
leaving peacefully in congolese music is hard very very hard,because in the mind of the leaders its always this guy will be or will see himself as my direct challenger as soon as things pick up for him,especially as in most cases leaders have that ability to sense potential in their musicians even when they have peaked in their groups,they can imagine for example that a ferre or a fally would be a great solo leader  so they'll make sure to try to control the rise to maintain that distance and respect of "you are my children" so you are always behind

I see so missed alot. No one left WMM with Werra's blessing. Werrason sended guys in Europe to get Fabregas deported and Sankara would insult Fabregas for years. Heritier didn't show up on day 2 of the 3 days event at Grand Hotel to present Ingeta, because he felt it like a humiliation in the case Fally Ipupa would come as guest while him being in a uniform (there was already a cold war between both guys since 2003/04). So he decided to leave, seeing that he couldn't justify his absence. He then made a letter to Werrason after he left, wanting to be the first musician to leave peacefully. But Werrason refused to accept his letter, Sankara and ADT Yanki would insult Heritier everytime and Werrason making Heritier's first months and years as solo artist hard behind the scenes. For Heritier it became to much and he started to react through the many internet journalists who were then behind him (Ken Mpiana, Adams Luzolo, Patsho RFI, etc.) and his spokemen.