i think it started with delta force then they had made peace in the days of maisha park,i think its not that different to the relationship of ferre bill and jdt,some bizarre old grudges dragging the years without friendship for lonnnnnggg then somebody stepping in to make them reconcile(like the case of djuna and lof now) and they'd fall again into x said that i remember x did that to me,or the instinct of competition even when there is no competition