last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

When you guys say spiritually what do you mean? And can you be more specific? Because you always talk about spiritual stuff but it is hard to understand and if Ferre got attacked "spiritually" how could him and the others (Bill, JDT etc.) protect theirself?

Anyway. All the people saying no are crazy.


You are broke and the biggest musician of your country offer you a 20.00 dollar contract. What wi you do at his place? I am a Maison Mere fan? Yes. But sometimes Maison Mere Fans are acting like Hooligans and ignorant people. All the first generation guys in Wenge MMM in interviews always say one thing. "I would have never left Wenge". But they left not because they wanted but because Werra forced them out which was good.in the short.run but ended up turning a disaster 20 years later, kicking members out consistently give Fally the free pass to dominate Congolese music amd Ferre is the only one contrasting Fally, Fabregas had only two hits Ya Mado and Zigida, Heritier got only 2 or 3 rhumbas to stick and so on and Robinio is making views but he never release material who is legendary. The only guy contrasting Fally seriously is Innoss'B and if Werra never made that system Wenge would still be top.

Ferre did great to accept QL offer he wouldn't be who he is if he didn't

I don’t know what JDT & Bill were doing to protect themselves. But for the little fame Bill had in his solo career from 2005 to ‘08. He used to go to graveyards for mystical prayers and having sex with dead corpses in order to get big crowded concerts. They once caught him doing that and a newspaper wrote about that (but didn’t create buzz) and Prince exposed him about that in Sous Sol.

I remember him wearing a T-shirt with 666 being written on his back and a Skull with bones during his first Skol concert and DVD title being "Je suis votre maître" or something like that, the DVD cover was a little bit scary. The concert used to be on YouTube.

Ezalaki n'a parti nini when Prince Exposes Bill?

As 4th person in the “il est mort” animation.

last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

Ndeko, that stuff is not only in Congo. It also in Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Cameroun, Benin, Gabon & Congo Brazzaville.

Congo is not going forward because of the way politicians are ruling over Congo and don’t care about investing in Music, Education, Sports, etc. I had already explained how they killed the Music industry in the early 70s which made musicians being totally dependant from politicians & Europe.

last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

Manzambi94 these practices are not only done by Congolese artists but world wide when you choose to get into this industry, you go in innocent but reality hits you that this is a different world the the one you came from so 95% of them do give in these are the ones we read on popular books, sites, watch on our tv, computer, phones, listen to every where we go so as this is a Congolese site we mostly concentrate on hem.

In the west where most of us live these practices is peodophilya and homosexuality  where these artists have secret societies, freemasons and are advised these practices do give them power and we are watching one by one falling with revelations but the only difference is society here call it illness which is also praticed  by some of the ordinary peoples.

In Asia these practices are viewed as religions if you have an asian friend indian for example, they wear these bands on their wrists and many have spiritual leaders a guy they go to see and seek advises

The only difference is we don't hear these other cultures claim people are killed because of that but lots of their deaths are unexplained and confusing which in Africa will be called sacrifice

last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

Manzambi94 these practices are not only done by Congolese artists but world wide when you choose to get into this industry, you go in innocent but reality hits you that this is a different world the the one you came from so 95% of them do give in these are the ones we read on popular books, sites, watch on our tv, computer, phones, listen to every where we go so as this is a Congolese site we mostly concentrate on hem.

In the west where most of us live these practices is peodophilya where these artists have secret societies, freemasons and are advised these practices do give them power and we are watching one by one falling with revelations but the only difference is society here call it illness which is also praticed  by some of the ordinary peoples.

In Asia these practices are viewed as religions if you have an asian friend indian for example, they wear these bands on their wrists and many have spiritual leaders a guy they go to see and seek advises

The only difference is we don't hear these other cultures claim people are killed because of that but lots of their deaths are unexplained and confusing which in Africa will be called sacrifice

Yes. In Europe especially in Italy especially in the catholic church pedophilia it is a very common and a lot of time covert by the church activity, the Mafia guy in Calabria make a ritual where they burn the image of "La Madonna" we call it here to be loyal to the group and many other things. I think that at least in Italy you Don't need it to succeed simply because in Italy for succeeding you only need money and a well connected group. I have heard tht French artists are heavy on the same Kisi Congolese people are. But I have never understood if that is real or not. And I have heard about Indiams and Chinese North Africans and Saudis that they are very fond of this thing right here

last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

Manzambi94 these practices are not only done by Congolese artists but world wide when you choose to get into this industry, you go in innocent but reality hits you that this is a different world the the one you came from so 95% of them do give in these are the ones we read on popular books, sites, watch on our tv, computer, phones, listen to every where we go so as this is a Congolese site we mostly concentrate on hem.

In the west where most of us live these practices is peodophilya where these artists have secret societies, freemasons and are advised these practices do give them power and we are watching one by one falling with revelations but the only difference is society here call it illness which is also praticed  by some of the ordinary peoples.

In Asia these practices are viewed as religions if you have an asian friend indian for example, they wear these bands on their wrists and many have spiritual leaders a guy they go to see and seek advises

The only difference is we don't hear these other cultures claim people are killed because of that but lots of their deaths are unexplained and confusing which in Africa will be called sacrifice

Yes. In Europe especially in Italy especially in the catholic church pedophilia it is a very common and a lot of time covert by the church activity, the Mafia guy in Calabria make a ritual where they burn the image of "La Madonna" we call it here to be loyal to the group and many other things. I think that at least in Italy you Don't need it to succeed simply because in Italy for succeeding you only need money and a well connected group. I have heard tht French artists are heavy on the same Kisi Congolese people are. But I have never understood if that is real or not. And I have heard about Indiams and Chinese North Africans and Saudis that they are very fond of this thing right here

Yes this world has so many many sick people that lots do it for fame even some of our friends and families but you won't know unless they are exposed.

We went to paris to visit one vieux I know who is sang by Papa Wemba we chilled at his with couple of his friends I got tired and went to bed left 3 of them together. in the middle of night I needed to pee so got up to go toilet and because they were still up I  decided to go see them mistake I walk in and catch them watching male porn then everything clicked aaah what people say about you is true sick

In London lots of vieux from back in the 90's look at 80% of them who were around artists you will understand

last year shaka kongo had started recording hidden camera at cemetery to expose musicians coming to get dead bodies or the last drops of sweat of dead people to bath with or to drink but one minister called and threatened to send him to prison outside kinshasa which is much more difficult to get any intervention for,because the cameras would also spot politicians coming
bill and robinio were the last spotted  last year but they paid something to keep it from becoming viral,there is a whole business over there,female dancers coming to get pants of dead people to shine in concerts and many many other things,so the guys there  make a lot of money every week but their chiefs steal it from them only leaving them with congolese francs

I will never work with a Congolese musician for no othet reasons these are really wild things and the politicians going there is sad, that is why our countries are the way they are. Believing these dumb things instead of trying to make the country great. But why they Don't go viral? Both Congolese musicians, footballers and politicians. I mean why none of them is making a bilion views, going to CNN, making diamond disc sales?

Manzambi94 these practices are not only done by Congolese artists but world wide when you choose to get into this industry, you go in innocent but reality hits you that this is a different world the the one you came from so 95% of them do give in these are the ones we read on popular books, sites, watch on our tv, computer, phones, listen to every where we go so as this is a Congolese site we mostly concentrate on hem.

In the west where most of us live these practices is peodophilya where these artists have secret societies, freemasons and are advised these practices do give them power and we are watching one by one falling with revelations but the only difference is society here call it illness which is also praticed  by some of the ordinary peoples.

In Asia these practices are viewed as religions if you have an asian friend indian for example, they wear these bands on their wrists and many have spiritual leaders a guy they go to see and seek advises

The only difference is we don't hear these other cultures claim people are killed because of that but lots of their deaths are unexplained and confusing which in Africa will be called sacrifice

Yes. In Europe especially in Italy especially in the catholic church pedophilia it is a very common and a lot of time covert by the church activity, the Mafia guy in Calabria make a ritual where they burn the image of "La Madonna" we call it here to be loyal to the group and many other things. I think that at least in Italy you Don't need it to succeed simply because in Italy for succeeding you only need money and a well connected group. I have heard tht French artists are heavy on the same Kisi Congolese people are. But I have never understood if that is real or not. And I have heard about Indiams and Chinese North Africans and Saudis that they are very fond of this thing right here

Yes this world has so many many sick people that lots do it for fame even some of our friends and families but you won't know unless they are exposed.

We went to paris to visit one vieux I know who is sang by Papa Wemba we chilled at his with couple of his friends I got tired and went to bed left 3 of them together. in the middle of night I needed to pee so got up to go toilet and because they were still up I  decided to go see them mistake I walk in and catch them watching male porn then everything clicked aaah what people say about you is true sick

In London lots of vieux from back in the 90's look at 80% of them who were around artists you will understand

You know what? That is actually weird because I used to work in France one time and my uncle told me that one of his colleagues paid a song by a Congolese leader I forgot the artist who made the song, but then he told.me that his son jumped into the Semna. Bro. If you go to Paris just check the Senna from the Bridge is scarying even watching down and not hold anything let alome jump in there, I have never understood why and maybe that was the reason. I Don't think the friend of my uncle sacrified his son but the artist maybe since Kisi require people sacrified the son of th guy he ask the song to, and to be honest if I check my life there was some time where I did things like.embarassing myself in front of people and many reckless thing which are not good to hear. And at that time I used to listen to Werra's temoignage and especially Sous-Sol album heavily, like a lot a lot especially Temoignage, and now that I listen to Congolese music but not that much and Actually pause and stop when someone says shit it seems suspect.
And the concert you said of Bill solo I used to have it on my phone Bill is also an artist I used to listen to a lot


So it is true that Fally sacrified his own parents for success?
I try to limit or eliminate listening to music by artist tht I know do this thing but it is hard because it is my culture

I have a question for you all both Congolese and Non Congolese if you all know that Congolese (Werra, Koffi, Fally, Ferre JB etc.) and non Congolese (Arafat, Samuel Eto'O) artists do that nkisi stuff why are you still listening to them supporting their music and sharing their matieral? I would love for everybody in this post to answer

Congo-243 No it had to be done otherwise we will not be talking about Ferre today. After the Marquis Miracle album success which made wmm to go after them hard spiritually and physically which was not working as they were in Europe and when the news of Marquis planning that kin concerts wmm used the influence of Zachari who persuaded Bill to go solo he will make more money with the sponsorship of Skol which was a way to destroy them Bill not knowing what was going on behind the scene he agreed

Ferre arrives in kin not knowing Bill has dropped all he gets there and all the drama that happen with JDT also not coming to Kin Ferre set up his group with little he had which went quickly and still wmm were attacking him and donors he knew were not helping (influenced) not to help and other attacks spiritually so he decided to come back in Europe.

Now this is where it gets interesting wmm claims Ferre contacted them to come back but no wmm contacted Ferre to come back but he decided no as he was already approached by Koffi with the contract pf 20,000USD lots of money back then so with the project he had planned he accepted the 2 years contract and also to learn the latino way.

You will think wmm will leave him alone No this made the wmm camp even bitter that the spiritual attack level went up this is where the phrase BALATISA NGA ELONGI YA DRAGON which they wanted everyone to hate Ferre even while he is in ql.

Koffi was on top of the world having him in ql which he even gave him his mercedes, remix silvi when the version sung with Fally chief having success but he still wanted a new version with Ferre and we know the result a hit and the album went well but they were lots of things which happened with the ql members and we know the rest

Ferre's issue is not him joining ql its wmm. You know what ADT said was done to JB (tokenda Bandundu tokanga ye tosilisa ye) speciality to them but they could not finish Ferre spiritualy then Ferre dropped sens interdit which was a huge success which did not go down well so wmm decided we've tried spiritually its not worked so lets do it other way physically but harder meaning going to attack private life even family members

Do you know Davina's story is wmm who are behind the story to tarnish Ferre's reputation and image which with this one they have in someway tarnish his image as he is seen as irresponsible father by ignorant people who choose not to see the truth. When Davina's mum explained that Sankara was going to their family to persuade them to expose that which is after Nicodem had joined them as he knew the situation of the family

When Ferre is asked about wmm you see why you will not see Ferre near wmm as long as Maman Marie (his mom) is alive as the things this group have done to him I cannot see him with Werra unless the president invites them which you cannot refuse

Wmm have even joined force with Fally just so Ferre is seen as weak when Fally has never contributed a dime or dollar to wmm but Ferre who took on the responsibility JB had in bcbg 4x4  which is the no 1 voice which he managed to do while 16 or 17 years old and convinced people and look where wmm and how much money Wmm made which all went to Werra

I always laugh when wmm fans shout their support to Fally but you never see the same back as wmm songs will have all the millions views Fally does on his songs so why wmm songs do not get close to those views?

Sorry but this doesn't make any sense.

Ferre had his reasons for joining QLI and he had every right to but making it all about Werra and Maison Mere is too much a fan-boyish reasoning

I have a question for you all both Congolese and Non Congolese if you all know that Congolese (Werra, Koffi, Fally, Ferre JB etc.) and non Congolese (Arafat, Samuel Eto'O) artists do that nkisi stuff why are you still listening to them supporting their music and sharing their matieral? I would love for everybody in this post to answer

For me for artistic performance and when growing up I use to sing (one of my friend Ndjibu de nazareth) me 1ere voice and him as he is one of King Kester fan 2nd voice so since childhood my artists were Papa Wemba and JB Mpiana will sing their songs then Ferre

When you guys say spiritually what do you mean? And can you be more specific? Because you always talk about spiritual stuff but it is hard to understand and if Ferre got attacked "spiritually" how could him and the others (Bill, JDT etc.) protect theirself?

Anyway. All the people saying no are crazy.


You are broke and the biggest musician of your country offer you a 20.00 dollar contract. What wi you do at his place? I am a Maison Mere fan? Yes. But sometimes Maison Mere Fans are acting like Hooligans and ignorant people. All the first generation guys in Wenge MMM in interviews always say one thing. "I would have never left Wenge". But they left not because they wanted but because Werra forced them out which was good.in the short.run but ended up turning a disaster 20 years later, kicking members out consistently give Fally the free pass to dominate Congolese music amd Ferre is the only one contrasting Fally, Fabregas had only two hits Ya Mado and Zigida, Heritier got only 2 or 3 rhumbas to stick and so on and Robinio is making views but he never release material who is legendary. The only guy contrasting Fally seriously is Innoss'B and if Werra never made that system Wenge would still be top.

Ferre did great to accept QL offer he wouldn't be who he is if he didn't

Being in Ferre's position I'd probably accept QLI's offer too. Maison Mere fans of course weren't happy with Ferre's move for obvious reasons. Nobody should expect Maison Mere fans to cheer when one of their biggest stars joins a direct rival. It's typically the nature of the game & Ferre knew this would happen.

I don't agree with you that Werra's actions gave Fally a free pass to dominate Congolese music. That's an insult to Fally's talent, discipline & hard work. Fally is where he is because he's worked for it. He'd probably be where he is today even if Maison Mere never split up the first time.

Sometimes in this forum we make it sound like defections were invented in Maison Mere & are exclusively a Maison Mere phenomenon which is totally untrue. Some of these musicians leave because they have dreams to run their own show, become their own boss etc. Not all of them are driven out. Look at how people talk about JB & his BCBG's old boys with so much contempt. But if they leave, the boss still gets blamed.

Manzambi94 spiritually meaning wmm going to see the juju chiefs in Bandundu as these people can change how people see you where they can even make people hate for no reason even anything you do just goes wrong

And Ferre never subscribed to these spiritual stuff?

for me it should have been ferre,he was already their chef in maison mere so it was for me logical a bit like sam in academia
in those days it was not as long as today,nowadays days it can take almost a decade at times there is always a bit of luck in those things its like visas sometimes you see the student with brilliant results get rejected and somebody like ken mpiana getting his visa lol

I'd say Ferre too because he already had a sizeable fan base of his own. He was obviously the star man of the group even though the other guys were hugely talented as well. he had the face, character & charisma but I'm not sure he was ruthless enough. To successfully lead a Congolese band you must have a ruthless streak behind you, to make everyone to toe the line & never challenge your position.

When you guys say spiritually what do you mean? And can you be more specific? Because you always talk about spiritual stuff but it is hard to understand and if Ferre got attacked "spiritually" how could him and the others (Bill, JDT etc.) protect theirself?

Anyway. All the people saying no are crazy.


You are broke and the biggest musician of your country offer you a 20.00 dollar contract. What wi you do at his place? I am a Maison Mere fan? Yes. But sometimes Maison Mere Fans are acting like Hooligans and ignorant people. All the first generation guys in Wenge MMM in interviews always say one thing. "I would have never left Wenge". But they left not because they wanted but because Werra forced them out which was good.in the short.run but ended up turning a disaster 20 years later, kicking members out consistently give Fally the free pass to dominate Congolese music amd Ferre is the only one contrasting Fally, Fabregas had only two hits Ya Mado and Zigida, Heritier got only 2 or 3 rhumbas to stick and so on and Robinio is making views but he never release material who is legendary. The only guy contrasting Fally seriously is Innoss'B and if Werra never made that system Wenge would still be top.

Ferre did great to accept QL offer he wouldn't be who he is if he didn't

Being in Ferre's position I'd probably accept QLI's offer too. Maison Mere fans of course weren't happy with Ferre's move for obvious reasons. Nobody should expect Maison Mere fans to cheer when one of their biggest stars joins a direct rival. It's typically the nature of the game & Ferre knew this would happen.

I don't agree with you that Werra's actions gave Fally a free pass to dominate Congolese music. That's an insult to Fally's talent, discipline & hard work. Fally is where he is because he's worked for it. He'd probably be where he is today even if Maison Mere never split up the first time.

Sometimes in this forum we make it sound like defections were invented in Maison Mere & are exclusively a Maison Mere phenomenon which is totally untrue. Some of these musicians leave because they have dreams to run their own show, become their own boss etc. Not all of them are driven out. Look at how people talk about JB & his BCBG's old boys with so much contempt. But if they leave, the boss still gets blamed.

But Ferre never joined QL after leaving wmm they created le marqui and released miracle album which was a sucess and after everything went as explained he was apprached and joined ql so why they still hated him till now

Ndeko, that stuff is not only in Congo. It also in Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Cameroun, Benin, Gabon & Congo Brazzaville.

Congo is not going forward because of the way politicians are ruling over Congo and don’t care about investing in Music, Education, Sports, etc. I had already explained how they killed the Music industry in the early 70s which made musicians being totally dependant from politicians & Europe.

It's everywhere across the globe. Juju among South Americans is on another level especially in football & the drug cartels.
But what baffles me is the way some people will stick to juju/spiritualism even when it's clear this is not helping their course in any way. For example Africa should have won the football world cup enough times with all the juju we practice