To be fair I would never pay my money to visit Lobeso's concert or listen his music.

Werrason is such an evil human being for stopping Lobeso from becoming the number one Congolese artist he was meant to be given his powerful voice, mesmerizing stage presence, innovative social media platform, band management expertise, donor backing, and strong versatile band. And congratulations to the other Congolese artists who are not as mean as Werrason and supportive of their ex-band members who they have mentored and have become superstars because of their support. Werrason and his finished band needs to be flogged in broad daylight to get some sense into their head.

Nobody is saying that Lobeso would become a big star, it is already hard as an Atalaku imagine being an Atalaku who does Mongo music in a Ndombolo world, he is just saying that in Maison Mere Sankara specifically threatened him and others to spiritually block them and their career. Point. Now what is wrong with that? Werra has been known multiple times for blocking people's career in every way and now Lobeso is saying the same. Plus as I have said Before Lobeso spent like 1 and a half talking about east Congo and about how the guys whom he shouted out in the songs actually forgot him when he was in prison. Plus he said something which I have found odd, "Me and Werra we don't meet each other but we meet each other" repeated two times.

Stop jumping on a hearsay bandwagon. You have no concrete evidence to drag Werra in a failed project of Lobeso. The guy is just trying to find a ladder to be relevant again. And to get his attention, he has to drag Werra in his mess.
In the first place Lobeso has, was and will never be a factor in Maison Mere....he was never a good animator, he ruined our WMMM style. And we hadly miss him. And putting him in the same equation with Celeo and Bill is a misplaced comparison. He has no legendary status in WMMM. Even from an insane point of view, Werra wouldn't even move a muscle to block a very ordinary atalaku like Lobeso.
From a reasoning point of view, it's in the nature of human beings to despise and soil the reputation of their former employers. It's not Different from the broke Lobeso. The idiot should be thankful Werra gave him a name.....we are having this discussion becoz he was given a platform to be known.
Every band has a business and artistic philosophy....JB has a philosophy of maintaining his old guard for reasons known well by him. With the revelation of the talented Pajo, Genta would be long gone by now... but because of Jb's philosophy he is still given room to exist. In contrast, Werra's philosophy is develop talent and release them to allow room for new talent. Unfortunately, he is antagonised despite giving independence to young talented musicians. Personally I find these attacks on Werra, baseless.
The worst of all is the Lobeso rubbish......
Let the likes of Adjani, Bill, Ferre, Wata, Fabro, Baby, Kabose, J3, ..... talk unlike that Chap.
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Stop jumping on a hearsay bandwagon. You have no concrete evidence to drag Werra in a failed project of Lobeso. The guy is just trying to find a ladder to be relevant again. And to get his attention, he has to drag Werra in his mess.
In the first place Lobeso has, was and will never be a factor in Maison Mere....he was never a good animator, he ruined our WMMM style. And we hadly miss him. And putting him in the same equation with Celeo and Bill is a misplaced comparison. He has no legendary status in WMMM. Even from an insane point of view, Werra wouldn't even move a muscle to block a very ordinary atalaku like Lobeso.
From a reasoning point of view, it's in the nature of human beings to despise and soil the reputation of their former employers. It's not Different from the broke Lobeso. The idiot should be thankful Werra gave him a name.....we are having this discussion becoz he was given a platform to be known.
Every band has a business and artistic philosophy....JB has a philosophy of maintaining his old guard for reasons known well by him. With the revelation of the talented Pajo, Genta would be long gone by now... but because of Jb's philosophy he is still given room to exist. In contrast, Werra's philosophy is develop talent and release them to allow room for new talent. Unfortunately, he is antagonised despite giving independence to young talented musicians. Personally I find these attacks on Werra, baseless.
The worst of all is the Lobeso rubbish......
Let the likes of Adjani, Bill, Ferre, Wata, Fabro, Baby, Kabose, J3, ..... talk unlike that Chap.
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Do you think Werrason made a blunder recruiting Lobeso?

as soon as he did his interview i knew lol i appreciate jf,but you just cant always be "inspired by God" whenever a hot situation happens,i have never seen him really question a hot topic its always musicians sacrifice so its a sacrifice,musicians treat members bad so its that,its never that the musician can also lie for example

The revelations JF Ifonge made about Werrason and pastor Kutino Fernando in some of his interviews, made me discover that he had personal problem with both guys.

If I remember well, he said once that he would sometimes pick up girls with his former friend Depitcho in Binza, sometimes they would meet pastor Kutino who was dating the same girl l and them arguing against Kutino about the girl. In an interview of last year or 2 years ago, he revealed that he was dating a girl of mixed races in Ma Campagne. It happened that Werrason was actually dating the same girl. The girl appeared in the Intervention Rapide clips and JF himself said that Werrason had one child with her. This made me immediatly understand why he always go hard on the two guys. Maybe that more stuff happened between both guys behind scenes about women.

Altough going hard on Heritier and JB sometimes it happens that he praises both guys but he never praised Werrason. Only when his friend Lassa Lacoyte made some revelations about Werrason in Ado Yuhe's show about how Werra knows how to fight in life and stuff like that, that JF Ifonge said that he was surprised to hear that about Werrason and adding that he had changed his mind about him. Like Bantou de la Capitale sung in the past "makambo mibale ekabola mokili. likambo ya mbongo na oyo ya basi". 

Its for example rare, to see JF going hard on someone he knows really well and being friends while the person in question doing bad stuff of having a bad reputation. For example, he never exposes Jus d'Ete but often goes hard on Depitcho with who he has a problem. The same for Carine Mokonzi, he never attacked her. 

Stop jumping on a hearsay bandwagon. You have no concrete evidence to drag Werra in a failed project of Lobeso. The guy is just trying to find a ladder to be relevant again. And to get his attention, he has to drag Werra in his mess.
In the first place Lobeso has, was and will never be a factor in Maison Mere....he was never a good animator, he ruined our WMMM style. And we hadly miss him. And putting him in the same equation with Celeo and Bill is a misplaced comparison. He has no legendary status in WMMM. Even from an insane point of view, Werra wouldn't even move a muscle to block a very ordinary atalaku like Lobeso.
From a reasoning point of view, it's in the nature of human beings to despise and soil the reputation of their former employers. It's not Different from the broke Lobeso. The idiot should be thankful Werra gave him a name.....we are having this discussion becoz he was given a platform to be known.
Every band has a business and artistic philosophy....JB has a philosophy of maintaining his old guard for reasons known well by him. With the revelation of the talented Pajo, Genta would be long gone by now... but because of Jb's philosophy he is still given room to exist. In contrast, Werra's philosophy is develop talent and release them to allow room for new talent. Unfortunately, he is antagonised despite giving independence to young talented musicians. Personally I find these attacks on Werra, baseless.
The worst of all is the Lobeso rubbish......
Let the likes of Adjani, Bill, Ferre, Wata, Fabro, Baby, Kabose, J3, ..... talk unlike that Chap.
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The only bandwagon person here is you, who keep defending Werra despite whatever he does, Werra could go tomorrow and beat random chegues for no reason and you will still defend him saying that those chegues are nobodies, I think that as a fan there is some time where you have to be honest and see things for bow they are. As I have said, Werra is known for trying to block people when they leave his group, why do you think he was so hard on Ferre,Heritier, Bill, Celeo, and so on? Do you think that Heritier, Ferre, Bill and many others who Saud that Werra was trying to block them all talk just to talk, wake up for once, and if you paid attention, you could hear that Lobeso said "I LEFT" so the old/new thing doesn't stand at all, because one thing is if Werra kicks you out, one thing is if you leave, Lobeso said that it was a donor wo convinced him to leave and that's why he left, he never planned to go solo and tbh you can see it because he really doesn't have any promotional strategies. As I have said you might not like Lobeso like 90% of the Congolese public who prefer Seben (but somehow still go crazy over Original, Elok'Oyo and other Mongo style music of other artists) but you have to be true, and once again Lobeso went on about an hour and a half talking about east Congo and if it wasn't for Miki he would have never spoken about Werra and Maison Mere.

The revelations JF Ifonge made about Werrason and pastor Kutino Fernando in some of his interviews, made me discover that he had personal problem with both guys.

If I remember well, he said once that he would sometimes pick up girls with his former friend Depitcho in Binza, sometimes they would meet pastor Kutino who was dating the same girl l and them arguing against Kutino about the girl. In an interview of last year or 2 years ago, he revealed that he was dating a girl of mixed races in Ma Campagne. It happened that Werrason was actually dating the same girl. The girl appeared in the Intervention Rapide clips and JF himself said that Werrason had one child with her. This made me immediatly understand why he always go hard on the two guys. Maybe that more stuff happened between both guys behind scenes about women.

Altough going hard on Heritier and JB sometimes it happens that he praises both guys but he never praised Werrason. Only when his friend Lassa Lacoyte made some revelations about Werrason in Ado Yuhe's show about how Werra knows how to fight in life and stuff like that, that JF Ifonge said that he was surprised to hear that about Werrason and adding that he had changed his mind about him. Like Bantou de la Capitale sung in the past "makambo mibale ekabola mokili. likambo ya mbongo na oyo ya basi". 

Its for example rare, to see JF going hard on someone he knows really well and being friends while the person in question doing bad stuff of having a bad reputation. For example, he never exposes Jus d'Ete but often goes hard on Depitcho with who he has a problem. The same for Carine Mokonzi, he never attacked her.

And that'd why I have stopped taking him seriously , How can a man of God still hold to the woman stuff in the past? As a man of God you should just focus on your family and forget about the past but he doesn't and that's why a lot of people who listen to Congolese music now see him as a clown.

i think its a "dna"thing with many congolese,i hope i wont be misunterpreted but i have noticed one thing with most of us,we like to take what we heard for long as rumours or what version we heard first and the way we understood it as granted and almost impossible to change
 for example the recent interview of innoss a lot of things were twisted and taken out of context due to bad translation from the goma swahili to lingala(and obviously because of witch hunt) he did a long interview  explaining himself in detail in lingala and there is literally nothing which does not make sense,but it might take about a decade for some people to move away from all the emotional bandwagon they joined just because he did not say the things in the exact formula that people want to hear
he should have just said rwanda is killing and insult kagame and pretend to hate the whole rwanda to look patriotic,and he said we've done enough of that even the international community has said a lot of things even if behind the scenes for their interest they think the opposite,if something does not work you have to try a new strategy
but its too late,now boketshu and co call him "innosbira" for the absolute delight of people and the killing peacefully continues as it would have even if he said fxxk kagame i will never ever perform in rwanda,rwanda is killing
or every of the popular rumours we've had over the years,its complicated to get somebody telling i used to believe but i had a more critical analysis of it and i now have doubts,most once they believe it never changes,thats how sometimes people hold 25 years grudge because they thought a friend had an affair with their sidekick which is not always right but as soon as they hear from one two people its gospel truth
i have a pire vieux who abandoned wife and kids for 20 plus years because of rumours that one of the mobutu guys had an affair with her whereas he was her uncle from gemena and she was often going to his office to get some money to buy stuff for the kids since my vieux was jobless

My honest take on this lobeso affair is this
its equally as easy to  side with him as to root for werra  and claim for jealousy and all that,but is there a long going history of leaders not wanting their ex musicians to succeed in solo unless they can "control their progression"? yes
is there witchcraft in congolese music?yes
is there musicians who have fallen out with their hierarchy for spiritual reasons? yes
lobeso has been complaining about more or less the same things for years even before his 4 years of kinshasa exile and one thing which is true with most leaders is that those from those who do fairly well  to those who are doing very well after their leaders,there is either a certain proximity behind them to kickstart it,or a strong spiritual war with the new leader "fighting" for his career on that field,along with the artistic field
now that does not discard at all,lack of effort,lack of support,lack of attention from the public and all those logical reasons
but then its difficult to always be either on the logical or the behind the scenes reasons,both co-exist as reasons of failure
otherwise the congolese music industry would be more friendly and peaceful if its that toxic there are reasons for it and we come from a continent (among others but one of the most specialised in it) where people have it hard to express certain feelings without a strong action visible or invisible

We might as well believe the accusations thrown at Ferre over Guy Gola. We defended him here! We have repeatedly defended JB over accusations he holds success of his former musicians. I personally still defend all these artists. Before we belive Lobeso, let us use the same logic by believing accusations against Ferre over Guy Gola. Let us further believe accusations against JB over all his former artists. We cannot apply double standards, any negative publicity against Ferre and JB is quickly dismissed but when it comes to Werrason we entertain it. So Werrason is the only artist who uses witchcraft in Congo while the rest are angels?

My argument remains that Lobeso is only after publicity. He left Werrason without any proper following, he had no funders...not sure many would be interested in investing in him. Apart from that he was arrogant to his musicians. Right now Patrick Satellite who was with him is even doing better. He needed to do the impossibility to succeed. Those who built a following and secured funding before leaving are still going strong.

brooooooooooooooo calm down i just said that its 50/50
there is always some which are true some which are false i did never confirm that it was true i just said that yes some of the things he describes exist even before werra became a leader
 i hope you get my point well now
and i do actually agree with you that at least part of the blame he has to take himself, he's kept a loooooot of bitterness from that period where he was forced out

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1409681506485456

olivier's reaction on that issue

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1409681506485456

olivier's reaction on that issue

Will you also say this is fake @Nkosi?