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1936
@Matebu

 Who played guitar(s) on Boda Bodack? That track is among my favorite Rhumbas, I like the spanish guitar plucking in the background! It's a subtle but nice touch.

Academia's Sanction was neck and neck with Koffi's Attentat in terms of Rhumba and sebene quality. Ingatitude, Otan, and SDF, ect

Quarter Latin Academia already had enough singers and musicans for a follow up album, they could of added dancers but anything more than that splits the money too many different ways. Hence Academia's imploding after Viagra...

Why do spinoff groups keep doing that? As soon as they strike gold with their debuting albums, they want to return home and start recruit reserves.

They should at least wait two successful albums in before recruiting further, by then you've established a known amount of revenue from record sales, endoesments, and touring to recruit accordingly.

1937
@mvulusi96

That's tragic, had he been drinking and driving or joy riding at fast speeds? Definately understandable why JB Mpiana was furious!

I suppose the split was inevitable, by the time they toured in America most of the longtime Wenge Members had been unsettled (Alain Makaba left following Zenith, then Blaise Bula and Patient Kusangila).

 We may disagree, but I believe it's poetic justice that Blasie Bula got froze out the band. This was the same guy whose slick comments during the Feux De L' Amour concert with Wemba.

Not to mention that he help facilitate the split by having rehearsals at his house and demand that Werrason, Masela, and Adolphe would have to do tests to maintain their place in Wenge.

What caused that fight with Ficcare? All I know is that it was serious since he broke his foot while Ficcare broke his hand, if I'm not mistaken. Apparently he was chief of orchestra at the time, so it must have been embarrasing moment.

1938
@mvulusi96

Thanks for the info, Burkina Faso did amazing solos on that album! That's too bad about Aimelia's fallout with JB Mpiana, what accident happened in Canada? I thought it was growing egos that made them part ways.

1939
@Matebu

Wow, was there a fight Seguin ever walked away from? Lol!

Although I learned something new, I had no idea he played drums on Mohamed Kaniansy. The album credited Titina as the drummer and Seguin as the mbonda player.

Who played lead guitar on Pipina-Jeannpy? I want to say Matire Fi-Carré but I could be wrong. I've heard that they hired session guitarist to rework Mboka Liya's contributions and the rhumbas before release.

I'm actually surprised that Genta only got one song on TH, didn't he tour with the group most of 1999 and the album was in the process of recording much of that time.

1940
@Matebu

CNN was a one man powerhouse on that album! He's definately hall of fame material in terms of atalakus. But I'll never forget that footage of Spino dancing, he was trying to mix ndombolo with Rhumba dancing????????????!

Good picks! Mine is 12 Balles, Moselekete, and Polémique Generale (this was one the first time I heard Roga Roga sing and he did a great job). Whomever was the arranger of Trop C'est Trop deserves much praise because the guitar work (solo, mi-solo, & rhythm) is all audible and sequenced nicely with the remaining instruments.

1941
@mvulusi96

Yeah, I heard that the Zenith of 2001 was the point of no return. They couldn't secure a European tour after that which further compounded the already exisiting issue of money.

Poor Kila Mbongo, you think they'll ever be a true reunion of Extra Musica Zangul? I wouldn't hold my breath, either the remaining members are still angry with Roga Roga about the past or have become too distant to reignite that chemistry. They tried some years before, but Roga Roga's ego made the concert difficult...I'm doubtful if they'll want to take another chance.

As for Trop C'est Trop, there are a couple songs that have clips which never made the album. They should of kept Karen Amour, well composed, Arafat did amazing cries, and the sebene was fire! What were your favorite tracks from that album?

Is it really true that Roga Roga played lead guitar on Cameleon by Koffi? Wasn't the song recorded in South Africa? If I'm not mistaken, Extra Musica would have been in Europe recording Shalai. Unless their album came out before Koffi's...for some reason, the solo sounds like Felly Tyson.

I can definately see the connection though, the guitar tones Roga Roga was using for Shalai is similar to the sebene on Cameleon.

CNN did an amazing job on animations, by the way! Held it down, for the most part on his own...what happened with Ocean Ebele on that album? He was present for those promotional videos when QL was rehearsing songs from the album, but he's absent in the album and clips.

He's probably on my top five list of artisit who wasted their potential, he shouldn't of left QL so quickly for Europe. He did great on Force De Frappe! Same goes for Kaps Kapangala, Eric Tutsi and Adjani

1942
@mvulusi96

In reference to PPU, I was actually surprised that group didn't last after Wanted. The generique alone was stellar, the last good animations from Bebe Kerozene before he went on auto-pilot. They had all the makings to be a great spin off band from BCBG; Bic Rouge's excellent solos and the members could all sing just as good as they could dance.

Considering the troubles they had to overcome from being disconnected from BCBG because of ngulu affair, the fact that they could muster to release quality without backing from JB Mpiana is worth commending.

In my opinion, Bebe Kero should have stayed with Les Pipiyus instead of joining JDT. He felt more energized in these songs compared to the others, especially when he starts rapping in wolof.

Clearly imitating his idol, Bill Clinton often threw West African languages in his animations during the era of Kibusia Mpimpia...Mr.Photocopie ???????????? though both are talented





1943
@Matebu

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1944
@archos

I'm surprised Seguin isn't as joyful behind the drums as the others, his position as drummer has rarely been contested.

1945
@Matebu

I have a few more questions regarding A La Queue Leu Leu, did Otis Lumumba play guitar alongside Japonais and Flamme Kapaya on the album? I know he toured with Wenge Musica Masion Mere, so it's possible he may have played on the album.

Lastly, whatever became of Guylian Mpungi? Was he a rhythm guitarist or mi-soloist? His run with Wenge Musica was very short, I suppose Werrason decided that he didn't need three guitarist.

1946
@Matebu

I could be wrong, but most artist within these big group like QL, Wenge, and so on make their living from saving the payment recieved from touring, mabangas, and their membership salary.

If you're a leader of these groups like Koffi, Werrason, and Roga Roga then they make the real money from touring and endorsement deals like Primus and Skol.

They really ought to make royalties a thing in Congo because too many of these talented artist struggle financially since they have zero ownership of the songs they help create.

That's why it is better to be a musican like a drummer, bassist, or guitarist than a singer in Congolese music. If you don't like your band, then you can pick up your instrument and walk but someone will quickly hire you. Where as singers may have difficulty due to combatants and crazed fans obstructing progress.

1947
@mvulusi96

I totally forgot about Coco Kiandia, I had no idea he settled in Canada! His run with the group was so short. What was the deal with Kilimanjaro? There was some hype about him joining Wenge BCBG but nothing came from it. And is he really related to Bill "Clinton" Kalonji?

@mvulusi96

Baby should have joined Les Marquis, his career would have likely went on better. Even though the band was short lived, all the main members got a career boost to pursue other things because their songs were very popular. Ferre Gola slowly became a Rhumba master (100 Kilos & Amour intérêt), Bill Clinton expanded his craft beyond just animation (Vous me reverrez), and JDT (Ecole & Eric Gwenye) really got to showcase his songwriting skills. I'm sure Baby would have been able to tease some of his potential as a solo artist just as well as the others. Can't forget about Serge, his song Mariage is among my favorite!

@Manzambi94

Kakol is definately a unique kind of bully, his insolence has almost no restraint. Probably the only person he didn't mess with directly was JDT, I've heard that he could fight very well.

1948
@mvulusi96

JB Mpiana should have kept Burkina Faso Mboka Liya in BCBG, they were neck and neck with Masion Mere.

After Mboka Liya departed from the group, Ficarre and Alba had to step to the forefront as soloist but I don't think they were ready to match the success of TH.

Don't get me wrong, Internet was good. But the rhumbas definately were better composed then the sebenes, although they had Masion Mere beat in percussion. Titina and Seugin were an excellent duo.

I feel like JB Mpiana never quite recovered from Mpela and Burkina Faso leaving.

1949
@Manzambi94

Man, Brigade really took a beating and Werrason was foul for downplaying the attack!

Thanks for the update, always wondered what became of those two artist.

1950
In yall's opinion, who do you think won the creative rivalry? Why did Abilisi leave Extra Musica? I've never heard from him since Shalai and what happened to Kila Mbongo's voice, I saw a video interview of him from a couple years back. His voice is frail and shaky, was he in drugs or damaged his vocal cords from years of shout animations?

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