Author Topic: WHAT SONG DO YOU THINK WAS MOST SUCCESSFUL BETWEEN THESE TWO ?  (Read 9434 times)

Manzambi94 #15 on: March 03, 2019, 06:13

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I'm surprised people didn't think Droit Chemin would be successful. Fally always stole the show in concerts with his dance solos, he had great songs in the group albums of Quartier Latin, and had a media friendly personality that journalist like...that pretty much the reciepe for a great solo artist!
You must understand that QL wasn't and it isn't maison mere the only successful solo artist coming out from there are Ferre and Brigade who were Maisoj Mere members beside Fally not even a single guy has managed to have a successful solo career for 10+ years, when Fally went solo QL was not known for having solo artist, Fally took a huge risk by leaving QL with Koffi not being happy about it, with fans and people thinking he was crazy to leave QL being the Golden Child and that probably his album would have flopped still to these days Ferre sees Fally as one of his petit, because when he was in QL Fally was desperately trying to copy the Wenge style so people were surprise that droit chemin had this success.
Brigade is a QL guy  not Maison Mere he was already brigade when he joined Maison Mere this is a fact he came from Latino and you're saying when fally  went solo no one in QL was not known for having a solo artist okay so what about Maison Mere then? Cause it was the same thing. Just cause you're a Maison Mere fan don't try and rewrite history like that

Actually Brigade was always a Maison Mere member since the time of Intervetion Rapid but since he wasn't finding space he went to Koffi, he tried to Join towards Alerte Generale period but Werra told him in 2004 that since he wouldn't have much space with Roi David, Kene Kene and Celeo to go backcto QL for a second time and he stayed in QL until he finally joined as the big recruit officially in 2006 with the mxi single sous-sol furthermore all of the QL members in interviews tells every journalist that the Atalaku had to do the same exact thing that Bill and Celeo was doing so to me Brigade even though he have done some great work with Generatioj Bercy, Bord Ezanga Kombo generique Danger De Mort and many other generique by Koffi need to give his success to Maison Mere, the only successfuk guy out of QL ILis Fally, Ferre and Brigade omly made vacation in QL we need to be honest about it.

Why doee he shout Sankara De Kunta despite initially singing one of the criee lls he had done for Koffi?


Simple he thought he would have been a Maison Merer and ij fact after that crie he start with the cries of Sous Sol





You can clearly hear him in this video telling what I have just explained

Wenge1995 #16 on: March 03, 2019, 07:23

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@Manzambi94

If Werrason disliked Celeo so much and respected Brigade's talent so much, why not replace him with Brigade around the time of Solola Bien? I suspect Brigade tried out join the group but never was an official member; not even a reserve member.

Keep in mind, Werrason was actively searching for a relacement for Celeo before the concert of Bercy. Remember, the affair of Celeo and dancer Bibiche was a factor in the attempt to replace him with atalaku Doudou Kibinda and even Ocean of El Paris with the assistance of staff member Wasenga Kimpuni.

However, the group members of Masion Mere (specifically Ferre Gola and Bill Clinton Kalonji) fought hard on Celeo's behalf and he managed to remain with them until Sous Sol

Manzambi94 #17 on: March 03, 2019, 08:35

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@Manzambi94

If Werrason disliked Celeo so much and respected Brigade's talent so much, why not replace him with Brigade around the time of Solola Bien? I suspect Brigade tried out join the group but never was an official member; not even a reserve member.

Keep in mind, Werrason was actively searching for a relacement for Celeo before the concert of Bercy. Remember, the affair of Celeo and dancer Bibiche was a factor in the attempt to replace him with atalaku Doudou Kibinda and even Ocean of El Paris with the assistance of staff member Wasenga Kimpuni.

However, the group members of Masion Mere (specifically Ferre Gola and Bill Clinton Kalonji) fought hard on Celeo's behalf and he managed to remain with them until Sous Sol
Because Celeo had very important friends, and Brigade was still raw for Maisom Mere (if you check some live concert he was stil struggling to maintain the viice stable for multiple hours) and because Celeo was an hard worker, he was one of most hard working members in the first team in fact even with his limited space he managed ti do something like KoYimbi Ko which has inspired milions and milions of Africans (recently Vegedream the Ivorian guy who did Allez Les Blues Allez did KoYimbi Ko during rehearsals) and how can you replace a guy like that with no reason, remember that Celeo had connections to big members of Congolese society who gave him the possibility of a great lifestyle and that is what Werra didn't like but at the same time Werra needed those connections because Wenge wasn't that big until 2003, and remember that in 2006 after Brigade falled out with Koffi Werra did actually took Brigade, after taking Roi David and he even took Prince and fired Celeo over some little minutes of late, bs excuse, but at the end it was what Werra wanted let's talk about other QL members why members of Academia didn't have a successful career? Unlike most of the Marquis? Why Soleil, Mirage, Bourro, Jipson and many other struggle to have a great solo career? Because QL isn't MMZ QL is Koffi and QL MM is Maison Mere and Werra so I don't understand why you want to give credit to Koffi with Brigade when the only credit to give to Koffi it is to have discovered Fally and to have trasform him into the star he is today.

CM PRINCE #18 on: March 03, 2019, 09:34

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@mvulusi96

I'm surprised people didn't think Droit Chemin would be successful. Fally always stole the show in concerts with his dance solos, he had great songs in the group albums of Quartier Latin, and had a media friendly personality that journalist like...that pretty much the reciepe for a great solo artist!
You must understand that QL wasn't and it isn't maison mere the only successful solo artist coming out from there are Ferre and Brigade who were Maisoj Mere members beside Fally not even a single guy has managed to have a successful solo career for 10+ years, when Fally went solo QL was not known for having solo artist, Fally took a huge risk by leaving QL with Koffi not being happy about it, with fans and people thinking he was crazy to leave QL being the Golden Child and that probably his album would have flopped still to these days Ferre sees Fally as one of his petit, because when he was in QL Fally was desperately trying to copy the Wenge style so people were surprise that droit chemin had this success.
Brigade is a QL guy  not Maison Mere he was already brigade when he joined Maison Mere this is a fact he came from Latino and you're saying when fally  went solo no one in QL was not known for having a solo artist okay so what about Maison Mere then? Cause it was the same thing. Just cause you're a Maison Mere fan don't try and rewrite history like that

Actually Brigade was always a Maison Mere member since the time of Intervetion Rapid but since he wasn't finding space he went to Koffi, he tried to Join towards Alerte Generale period but Werra told him in 2004 that since he wouldn't have much space with Roi David, Kene Kene and Celeo to go backcto QL for a second time and he stayed in QL until he finally joined as the big recruit officially in 2006 with the mxi single sous-sol furthermore all of the QL members in interviews tells every journalist that the Atalaku had to do the same exact thing that Bill and Celeo was doing so to me Brigade even though he have done some great work with Generatioj Bercy, Bord Ezanga Kombo generique Danger De Mort and many other generique by Koffi need to give his success to Maison Mere, the only successfuk guy out of QL ILis Fally, Ferre and Brigade omly made vacation in QL we need to be honest about it.

Why doee he shout Sankara De Kunta despite initially singing one of the criee lls he had done for Koffi?


Simple he thought he would have been a Maison Merer and ij fact after that crie he start with the cries of Sous Sol





You can clearly hear him in this video telling what I have just explained
That is rubbish. Brigade got exposure through Koffi he became Brigade through Koffi him and Kerozene gave Bill and Celeo a tough time. His first recording was in Effrakata, his first song credited to his name was in affaire d'edat which says a lot cause not many atalakus in QL had the opportunity to put songs in an album. If he participated in intervention Rapide then you might have a point. No one knew him till QL so that says a lot , you're talking like he was made out of nothing by werra which is absolute BS. If you ask him now even he'll tell you everything that I said. Okay so by your logic Deplick is a QL child cause he started with Koffi before going to Maison Mere, or Heritier is a BCBG Child since he started with BCBG. And Brigade made vacation at QL??? He was there for 4 years before leaving and then came back to to an extra 2 years so no it wasn't a vacation. But obviously I assume you were young back then so you didn't witness anything he did in Latino to be saying that.
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Wenge1995 #19 on: March 03, 2019, 09:49

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@Manzambi94

When Brigade was recruited into Masion Mere, he was already a proven atalaku based off his contributions to Effrakata, Affaire d'Etat, and Skol Longitima.

It's similar to Robert Horry winning NBA Championships with the Lakers then again with the Rockets when he swtiched teams. The Rockets signed a proven player, they didn't create a champion. The creative relationship between Brigade and Werrason is the same, in my opinion. I understand the point you are making, it was a good one.

I have no problem discussing the career failures of the remaining Quartier Latin singers, they didn't take advantage of donors and journalist encouraging them to focus on their own careers the same way Fally did when he recorded Droit Chemin.

Remember, journalists like Naty Lokole, Arsene Kamango, and a few other media people werw supporting Fally with huge promotion because they were tired of the old generation leaders monopoly within Congolese music.

As mvulusi96 mentioned earlier, these same journalist were trying to convince Soleil Wanga among the others to consider interviews solo careers, but those guys remained loyal to Koffi despite the fact that Koffi was slowly unsettling them with Cindy and les mineurs.

In my opinion, it is not the job of Werrason nor Koffi Olomide to promote their artist's solo careers. When these leaders give those singers a song on group albums, allow those boys to have dance solos at concerts, or appear in clips...they are promoting those singers.

That's how music listeners become aware of specific members within a group and pick their favorites. The artist has a responsibility to assess the level of interest they have received from fans, donors, and journalist during their time with Masion Mere or Quartier Latin. Once they can allocate that interest into a socieconomic network towards funding an album and tour, then they can leave the group and go solo.

Bouro Mpela, Soleil, and the others left without the proper connections to promote the albums they recorded so those projects all flopped and we see them struggling to regain fan interest since their departure of Quartier Latin.

CM PRINCE #20 on: March 03, 2019, 10:19

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@Manzambi94

When Brigade was recruited into Masion Mere, he was already a proven atalaku based off his contributions to Effrakata, Affaire d'Etat, and Skol Longitima.
Thank You.

ZamundaPrince #21 on: March 04, 2019, 12:09

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Besides the hardcore Congolese music lovers, many people don't actually recognize Brigade's work in QL even though he was better than the rest of the atalakus of his time there. Many though will remember Bebe Kero because Koffi was giving him more limelight & advantage.

Maybe Brigade did his first recordings with QL, but it was with Maison Mere that he eventually attained a superstar status. That's what Maison Mere does to it's artists. Look at Deplick, Fabro, Robinio, Miel, Jitrois etc. Even though they were from other groups, in Maison Mere they became household names of sorts & this gave them a big advantage when they finally started on their solo career.

Sometimes people question why musicians queue to join Maison Mere but I think this here is the reason why. Werrason on his own is not such a star attraction and he turned this weakness into a strength. He has learned and perfected the art of not being in competition with his own musicians. He lets them shine and in return they make him shine.

Look at Fally & F Victeam for example. It doesn't matter how good Fally's musicians are, Fally will always outshine them. He can sing better, dance better, dress better, has better looks etc. Nobody is really interested in his musicians. All they want is Fally. Same applies to Ferre & to a large extent Koffi. Because these guys don't depend so much on their musicians to shine & they can pretty do anything by themselves their musicians end being nothing more than support staff. When they leave for solo career they are either not ready for the challenge/competition or have not amassed the desired goodwill for a solo career.

Matebu #22 on: March 04, 2019, 16:43

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lol, you Maison Mere fans are something else

CM PRINCE #23 on: March 04, 2019, 16:47

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lol, you Maison Mere fans are something else
I know right, I was hoping you would come and comment on this ridiculous discussion lol
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